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[beppington]

If you got the impression I believe, you clearly didn't read my posts.:mur:

I got the impression that he misunderstood you :thumbsup:

 

[ray66v]

I got the impression that he misunderstood you :thumbsup:

Perhaps my verbiage was too abstruse.

 

[vsumoski]

I will not debate whether there is warming or not, there may very well be. My point of contention is that man is the cause of the climate changing.

Ha ha ha,:laughing:
I remember as a small child the adults speculating that someday the government would even tax the air we breathe. Guess what.
NASA is a shadow of what it was during the Apollo years, now full of unionized bureaucrats, like the IRS and all other government departments. Look what their competitors are doing at a fraction of the costs. If the government were in charge of cell-phone development, the phone would need a shoulder strap. capitalism has produced the
That being said, I do, however, believe in man-made global warming! No really, I do! Did you ever notice that on a hot summer day how a cool breeze relieves the discomfort? Stay with me, I'll explain. The scientific method (highly regarded except when it comes to Darwin's theories), has been successfully used to prove that energy can not be created, nor destroyed, merely converted from one form to another. E=mc squared. If you build a green energy windmill, you convert the cooling breeze into electricity, ergo man-made global warming! Also, all those windmills cause a drag on the rotation of the earth, slowing it's rotation and further diminishing the wind; this causes even more warming!
/tongue out of cheek
To believe in man-made climate change in a world pockmarked by active volcanoes, downwind of massive corona ejections, pierced with numerous unidentified deadly rays penetrating our 'protective' atmosphere, and everything ray66y said, is testament to the effectiveness of government run public education. Ha ha ha!:laughing:

Merry Christmas,
Vince

 

[Loren49]

I also agree to civilly disagree.

Climatologists study climate -meteorologists forecast weather - to claim that the 90% + who feel that the science indicates changes (man influenced) only because it prolongs their employment is disingenuous. I suppose we shouldn't trust doctors because they make the most money when we're sick. Or structural engineers because they make more if something is declared unsafe, etc. Its much easier to just reject (attack) anybody who draws the wrong conclusion.

Suppose there actually is man made climate change - I predict the aggressive skeptic campaign would still be financed by those who are now doing so.

They have done well to encourage hate and fear. Energy independence would not undermine the American Dream. It would likely revive it.

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Climate Scientists Face Death Threats - Media Complicit



vsumoski - private companies do not always outperform government agencies - example- the cost (economic and social) of outsourced military services doesn't necessarily save money or produce the desired results. In many cases it can be shown that the negatives outweigh the positives. (I'm not a big fan of Halliburton or mercenary soldiers in general)

My brother worked for a State Mental health IT group - he has examples of software outsourcing that were very costly and not effective. (When there contract expired they had an unfair advantage as they were the only ones who could support the software!) He was against the outsourcing but was trumped by the politicians because it seems like the politically correct thing these days.


Loren

 

[czechsonofagun]

Fear mongering - there have always been and will likely always be conspiracy theorists and those whose choose to live in fear.

Loren

Never said that. the scam is all about money and power. Telling people what to do and what to think, democrat's way - same stuff I lived through in the east block.

 

[czechsonofagun]

Suppose there actually is man made climate change - I predict the aggressive skeptic campaign would still be financed by those who are now doing so.

They have done well to encourage hate and fear. Energy independence would not undermine the American Dream. It would likely revive it.

What? Where do you live that you don't see the aggressive campaign trumpeting GW is real? Did US news ever published anything on climategate?

Hate and fear - now I understand who you vote for and alles klar, lieber Freund. That party gets it mandatory to believe in global warming. Well good luck with that maybe in five year you will realize what scam you believed in.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

The argument that our use of oil, I will not call it fossil fuel because that is another hoax, and subsequent release of CO2 HAS to have some effect on the atmosphere is a popular one. But, considering total volume it is minuscule.

Oil is a small part of our CO2 emissions. The majority comes from burning coal, primarily to generate electricity. They are chewing up whole mountains in Wyoming and shipping the coal to the Midwest and East. Flying over the prairie, you will see coal trains miles long. The US is not the largest user of coal. China burns more than we do. There is absolutely no doubt that coal is a fossil fuel. All you have to do is break open a hunk of coal and look at the fossils.

During the Carboniferous era, when all that CO2 was in the atmosphere, the whole Earth was a steaming swamp, and the sun was quite a bit cooler back then.

Global warming is real, and is going to get realer. It takes time to heat up something as large as a planet, so our children and grandchildren are the ones who will have to deal with the results.

The questions are: what do we want to do about it, and what can we afford to do about it? It's not obvious that we can reduce our use of fossil fuels without destroying industrial civilization and starving billions of people to death. Converting our civilization to "green" energy is the equivalent of putting a new engine in a car while it is running down the freeway.

There actually are some good solutions out there. Wind energy is one. The wind is always blowing somewhere. The nation needs a national electric grid, and the government should be building one instead of wasting our money on banks that don't need the money anyway. OTOH, there are a bunch of well meaning nut cases out there with pie in the sky schemes that are worthless. Sometimes it's hard to tell which is which. I have serious doubts about wave energy. I have seen the ocean toss around boulders the size of a house, and have trouble imagining how anyone could build a wave energy plant that would last long enough to be useful.

Even if you don't accept global warming, you have to realize that someday the fossil fuels will all be burned up. Oil is already getting harder and harder to find, which is why they are drilling a mile deep in the Gulf. Our grandchildren will need alternatives.

 

[beppington]

Even if you don't accept global warming, you have to realize that someday the fossil fuels will all be burned up.

Logically that has to be true, someday, but ...

Oil is already getting harder and harder to find, which is why they are drilling a mile deep in the Gulf. Our grandchildren will need alternatives.

... just wondering aloud here: Say there is actually enough oil to sustain us for 10,000 years!! Who would step up & actually say that? Not the oil companies, because that would drive their price down. Not the alternative energy companies, because that would drive their price down. Not Democrats, because they're generally tree huggers. Not Republicans, because 1) they're on the side of oil companies, & 2) who in the world would really be willing to make such a guarantee, as far as someone we might actually trust anyway?

So, to me, hey, there might actually be enough oil to sustain humans for 10,000 years ... There's just nobody willing to say it. So instead the general public is left thinking we could run out at any moment.

(Ok in reality, maybe some "trustworthy" source has declared we have plenty of oil, but I haven't ever heard it nor have I gone searching for such a declaration)

 

[Loren49]

czechsonofagun - what you mean is you can't even consider that 90% of the climatologists could be right. I can imagine that you could be right on our responsibility for climate change. My point is we still need to try to move away from foreign oil and burning our mountains and polluting our waterways and air in the name of cheap energy. We can live better if you quit wasting so much energy.

I suppose the argument is that this data is also false:
World carbon dioxide levels jump 2.3 ppm in 2008 to highest in 650,000 — if not 20 million — years Climate Progress

"A study in Science from the Global Carbon Project (see 溺ore on soaring carbon concentrations? noted:

The present concentration is the highest during the last 650,000 years and probably during the last 20 million years.

Worse, the rate of growth of CO2 concentrations this decade is 2.1 ppm a year 40% higher than the rate from the 1990s. At the same time that CO2 emissions are soaring, CO2 sinks are saturating (the ocean is absorbing less carbon dioxide?."



I would argue that for the past 2 years the far right has been way more vocal than the left. Its hard to find any political talk show on the radio when traveling that is anything but right to far right. That's where the money is -its what oil and large corporations fund (in general) IMHO I feel as strongly as you that the air waves are bought and paid for but by the opposite forces.

Loren

 

[LRTX1]

On a side note, not to get off topic......it was cold again here in Fl this A.M., albeit not like it was the 2 days prior.