Hobart 230

[TheGreyRider]

So how are the Hobart 230 welders?

I am new to welding, I would like to have a welder that i can pretty much do some fabrication, nothing big, but i want to be able to weld metal up to 3/8 inch.

I see these at TSC and thought about picking one up. I see there is a 210 as well. I guess what i am looking for some advice as to what to pick up and what else would i need? I guess i would need a tank for whatever gas you have to use.

Also what are the power requirements for these welders? Do i just need a standard 220 outlet?

Anyway any help would be great.

 

[dmay]

Also the Millermatic 211 Auto-Set with MVP is a good feature packed welder in the 200 amp range.

 

[tglass]

what are the prices compared to each other and which is easier to use for the novice? How hard are parts to get for a Hobart now days? Can you weld 1/4" single pass? Looking for something new too. Wonder what Everlast offers as well. Mark, any input or anyone else?

 

[yomax4]

Don't be fooled by the 210's. 211's etc. Some are realy only 150 amp machines. Numbers game if you will. Look at a couple year old Miller 210. The unit says 210 but the output plate says 150. Lincoln had a 180T that put out 130 amps. I am just saying, Look at the actual output prior to buying. If 150 is good enough for you, So be it.

 

[FredH]

Hobart 230 = 175 amps @ 60% duty cycle = $ 1499.10

Hobart 210 = 150 Amps @ 30% duty cycle = $ 949.99 ( Includes Spool gun Also )

Miller 211 Auto = 150 Amps @ 30% duty cycle ( 230 volt ) = $ 1016.77
Also 90 Amps @ 20% duty cycle ( 120 volt)


Miller 212 Auto = 160 Amps @ 60% duty cycle = $ 1686.77

Lincoln 216 = 170 Amps @ 60% duty cycle = $ 1799.99

Everlast Power I-mig 205 = 200 amps @ 35% = $ 999.99
( Can also do Stick welding @ 160 amps if I am reading correctly )

Most of free shipping although I don't know about the Everlast although that has the addition of being able to stick weld also .

Food for thought .

Fred H.

 

[nike]

I purchased a Lincon 180-C It can handle up to 1/2" (two passes or more)
The difference between a 180-x and the 180-C is that you can very the voltage and the speed incrementally through the full range of the the machine. As where the 180-x you only have the A,B,C,D settings, there are only the setting as they are and no in between.
Not too important on large metal but very important on thin stuff...
There is a rebate on if you buy it from a welding supply company.....:thumbsup:

The other machine I looked and an liked but could not get my hands on is the Miller 210 auto.
This machine automatically adjusts it self for the metal you are welding.
Good for beginners like me....

 

[dcyrilc]

Hobart 230 = 175 amps @ 60% duty cycle = $ 1499.10

Hobart 210 = 150 Amps @ 30% duty cycle = $ 949.99 ( Includes Spool gun Also )

Miller 211 Auto = 150 Amps @ 30% duty cycle ( 230 volt ) = $ 1016.77
Also 90 Amps @ 20% duty cycle ( 120 volt)


Miller 212 Auto = 160 Amps @ 60% duty cycle = $ 1686.77

Lincoln 216 = 170 Amps @ 60% duty cycle = $ 1799.99

Everlast Power I-mig 205 = 200 amps @ 35% = $ 999.99
( Can also do Stick welding @ 160 amps if I am reading correctly )

Most of free shipping although I don't know about the Everlast although that has the addition of being able to stick weld also .

Food for thought .

Fred H.

I'm going to be getting the I-Mig 200 and if you Email Mark he can get you a better price than what shows on the website. Shipping is extra, but to Western Washington was quoted at only $25 so that's negligable IMO.

 

[FredH]

If and When I get around to buying another welder , ( currently have a Lincoln SP135 that although not the fastest way to weld has welded up a couple of decent projects ) , I will be contacting Mark at Everlast as I really like the idea of Mig and Stick in 1 welder .

Fred H.

 

[dcyrilc]

If and When I get around to buying another welder , ( currently have a Lincoln SP135 that although not the fastest way to weld has welded up a couple of decent projects ) , I will be contacting Mark at Everlast as I really like the idea of Mig and Stick in 1 welder .

Fred H.

That was the final selling point for me also. I had been looking at the Miller 211, but with the feedback I've heard here on TBN, the lower price, and the ability to both mig and stick (all other features being considered equal) I decided to go with the Everlast instead.

 

[yomax4]

I love it when you Mig guys research and find the facts. Mainly on what Miller, Hobart and others try to feed the public. If Miller says they are selling a 210 amp machine..95% of America buys it with the mindset that they are buying a 210 amp machine not knowing that they are not. The Stick Welder guys don't seem have this issue because Stick units are rated correctly. Don't get me wrong I am not a Stick Welder..

 

[dcyrilc]

I love it when you Mig guys research and find the facts. Mainly on what Miller, Hobart and others try to feed the public. If Miller says they are selling a 210 amp machine..95% of America buys it with the mindset that they are buying a 210 amp machine not knowing that they are not. The Stick Welder guys don't seem have this issue because Stick units are rated correctly. Don't get me wrong I am not a Stick Welder..

Huh???

I'm confused. 211's a model number, not an amperage rating. Did you think that the 210 and 211 were 210 amp welders? I'm not sure about the 210 because I never really looked at it, but the 211 spec sheet says "150 A at 23.5VDC, 30% Duty Cycle (230V)" right on the top of the spec sheet.

 

[dmay]

Also the Millermatic 211 Auto-Set with MVP is a good feature packed welder in the 200 amp range.

My mistake. :ashamed: Correct amp range should read:

150 Amps at 23.5 VDC, 30% duty cycle (230 V)
90 Amps at 20 VDC, 20% duty cylce (120 V)

 

[Inkomodius]

A miller 210/211 is a machine with a welding range of 30 amps - 210 amps. The duty cycle chart is giving you just that, duty cycle and not welding output. Once you start welding at the machines maximum output 140amps on 110 or 210 amps on 220 your duty cycle dips even farther. Don't quote me but at maximum output your duty cycle is at 10 percent.

As well the Hobart 210 and Miller 211, are the same machine. You loose the auto set but keep the Multi voltage plug.

Darrel

 

[Soundguy]

are you talking about the stickmate AC235XL ? I have one from TSC.. just burned 5# of rod with it today and yesterday. it will weld up to 1/2 without blinking if you get the right rod, turn her up and have a lil practice.

I mostly use 1/8 electrodes in 6011 and 6013, and occasional 3/32 if I do stuff like 3/16 or thinner.

soundguy

So how are the Hobart 230 welders?

I am new to welding, I would like to have a welder that i can pretty much do some fabrication, nothing big, but i want to be able to weld metal up to 3/8 inch.

I see these at TSC and thought about picking one up. I see there is a 210 as well. I guess what i am looking for some advice as to what to pick up and what else would i need? I guess i would need a tank for whatever gas you have to use.

Also what are the power requirements for these welders? Do i just need a standard 220 outlet?

Anyway any help would be great.