Tractor Sizing Here's the rub....

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Mowdyman

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Long time looker, first time poster. Purchased 40 acres in E. central Mississippi and the list is:
About 25 acres in pasture, some hilly (terraced), some low and wet. Will bushhog for now, but plan to cut and bale once all my fence is up and horses bought. Plan to clear about 2 acres of 20 yr old pine, which means cutting, pulling logs, eliminating stumps. Some grading of driveways will be necessary as well as possibly cutting a swale through the low pasture to help drainage. No doubt I'll be getting a Kubota and after some research, I'm thinking about the 3240. Guys, enough tractor to deal with my list? Also, a little help in suggesting some worthwhile additions. I'm also going to have to do some kind of song and dance, since the wife believes that only a JD will do. (wish I known that before I married her :))
 
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mowdyman, i'm in a similar situation but no trees to clear. are you looking to round bale or square? that'll make a big difference, either way i think you may want to up the hp some.
 
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Decide where you are going to be on the wife's side or get her on your side to make this project work. :laughing:

You are going to need a good 40-60+ HP farm tractor for GP use. The first few years you could use a fair 12K-15K pound backhoe. Hiring this kind of thing done would be cheaper and shave years off of the project but you may want to do it yourself over the next several years if you are still working a day job.

What are your objectives and time line you have given the wife?
 
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Yeah, I would go with a bigger tractor and always recommend tree/stump removal and major dirt work contracted out unless someone has the right equipment/skill and time. I have tried both ways and either pay someone to do it or rent the equipment required.
 
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Yeah, I would go with a bigger tractor and always recommend tree/stump removal and major dirt work contracted out unless someone has the right equipment/skill and time. I have tried both ways and either pay someone to do it or rent the equipment required.


Excellent advice!

I have 35 acres and an L3240 hst. Awesome tractor but not for trees over 5" diameter (for the most part) I can't push them over easily (no bh). but for everything else it hasn't let me down. I bushhog a few trails and have done a little clearing for a deer food plot.
 
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Long time looker, first time poster. Purchased 40 acres in E. central Mississippi and the list is:
About 25 acres in pasture, some hilly (terraced), some low and wet. Will bushhog for now, but plan to cut and bale once all my fence is up and horses bought. Plan to clear about 2 acres of 20 yr old pine, which means cutting, pulling logs, eliminating stumps. Some grading of driveways will be necessary as well as possibly cutting a swale through the low pasture to help drainage. No doubt I'll be getting a Kubota and after some research, I'm thinking about the 3240. Guys, enough tractor to deal with my list? Also, a little help in suggesting some worthwhile additions. I'm also going to have to do some kind of song and dance, since the wife believes that only a JD will do. (wish I known that before I married her :))

the wife believes that only a JD will do.

Your wife is right ! Do what she says always ! :thumbsup:
 
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the wife believes that only a JD will do.

Your wife is right ! Do what she says always ! :thumbsup:

Well, I just got my JD out of the shop for the third time and my Kubota hasn't been, so...
 
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Ah yes

Are you in the piney woods owned by the Mississippi Wild Man by chance?


A lot depends on your budget and how serious a gentleman farmer you intend to become and how much tillage you intend on doing if any.

The thing is that you may be better off buying and owning implements and renting power for the big jobs involving tillage and planting.


A Wolagri mini baler will allow you to have a small round baler at lower cost than a conventional baler. The wolagri baler can be purchased with a bale wrapper attachment on the baler or a separate unit can be purchased for the job.

A mini baler making and wrapping small bales will make them weather proof and allow them to be picked up later or you could collect them and wrap them in one location in the field and remove them later.

hay gets heavy in heavy standard bales and having smaller round bales will allow ease in feeding, with less less waste and reducing fatigue as well. And if your sick you still have to feed animals and the lower weights will be a blessing per bale, and a wrapped bale will not go moldy as quickly if you have a preservative injector on the baler.


There are a lot of implements and implement dealers for small farmers with two wheel tractors an d small four wheel tractors and they advertide on the web as well.


A Kubota BX2660 has plenty of power for a Wolagri mini baler and a small disc bine hay cutter ment for small tractors.


A Caroni flail mower wil be of more value in brush cutting and mowing with less effort and little to no residue.
You will want to buy guard plates for the under side of the 2660 to avoid damaging the cooling fan by having branches being fpulled intot eh engine compartment.




The Kubota brand flail mowers are built by LandPride in Kubota orange.

The agrisupply folks offer the Caroni flail mower with a delivered to your door price tag purchasing it via the Agri Supply - Farm Supplies, Tools, Lawn Mower Blades, Cast Iron Cookware home page


There are may posts here discussing flail mowers and the quality of the Caroni Brand of flail mowers.

A Caroni Flail mower with two or four rows of knives has more cutting surface than a bush hog type brush cutters blade.

The more mower knives you have the better and finer the cut with less residue and blades and parts are easy to obtain from agrisupply as they maintain a parts warehouse and have several retail outlets in the southeast.






The twenty year old pine you have is worth some money and contacting a local state forester about logging those two acres will save you time and effort selling the stumpage for a profit and having the logger cut them flush to the ground for you with their harvester.




The logger will build his own road and keep it built up while he is logging.

many logers also do excavating work and its possible they could dig your swale for you too at the same time-the issue is whether you need a swale or a trench with drainage tubing to carry away water for you.

swales are a pain to take care of (I own one) They become channeled with water flow and the water wears away at the base of the swale which makes a lot of silt and run off which is a problem when dealing with creeks that are clean otherwise.

You will be required to install a silt barrrier curtain and straw bales to hold the curtain and silt after curtain lower edge is buiried.


A wide ditching bucket(without teeth) creating a deep invert and 4 inch drainage tubing and connectors along with a tubing cover to prevent silt from plugging the pipe may be all you need once the tubing is buried.


You may wish to lay stone over the tubing toi filter additional water and aid in drainage at the same time



By clear cutting from one end to the other you eliminate any issues of hanging trees and widow makers using a traqked or rubber tires harvester, and the se folks bring all their own equipment and remove the brush-

1. About the trees and brush you may have a wind fall in the making with the pines by selling them for shavings or lumber as there is huge market for softwood shavings.

2. The logger may operate a fuel chip operation as well where the tops and limbs will be used for hog fuel in wood boilers while harvesting your soft wood timber for lumber or shavings.

I want you yo succeed and not fail


leonz
 
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Relax already...I am just agreeing with the man's wife.:)

Heck, I was born relaxed and been practicing ever since; now always agreeing with my wife may take a little more time:laughing:
 
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That is the truth Triple R, that is the truth. Sorry guys, didn't know a JD man was going to slip in and leave a little.
My timeline is over at the end of the month. The fields need to be either cut or bushhog'd by then. Triple R - you suggested a bigger machine. Give me a couple of suggestions.
Leonz, I really do appreciate all the info there. Since we'll be putting horses on the place, I'll be going with the square baler, so you gave me some good ideas.
I'm really looking to pick up most if not all the add-ons with the purchase, (box blade, rotary cutter, FEL, etc).
Now, if I can just figure a way to get in up the driveway, past the shed, around the garden, and into the barn before the wife steps outside and says "IT AIN'T GREEN!!!............
 
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I hear you Triple R, what models would you suggest? BTW: the timeline is the end of the month.
 
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I hear you Triple R, what models would you suggest? BTW: the timeline is the end of the month.

When I bought my last tractor I started with the Grand L32400 which is a really nice little tractor, but after some thought I zeroed in on the Grand L4240 HSTC.

I looked at the L3400, 4400, but while they are great tractors, I didn't like the way they felt, the hump in the middle, no tilt and so on. I am in my sixties and comfort is very important to me especially since I tend to keep things a long time.

I happened upon the L5030 in my Avatar; just put on the lot and not even prepped yet with a price too good to pass up.

I was just kidding about the John Deere as they make really great tractors, I just simply hate left side brakes. For those who like them they are great.

Bottom line is I think you will be well served with a 40 HP or better for your farming operations.

I do not claim to be an expert.

As to the wife, I suggest John Deere decals and tell her it's orange because it was part of a highway contract; that's my story and I'm sticking to it...

Good luck, Larry
 
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I would be looking at the type of haying equipment you are interested in to decide on your horse power needs. Square balers are not as bad as round balers but still require a good amount of PTO horse power. Another thing is tractor weight. Balers can really jerk around a lighter weight tractor. Personally I think the 3240 is too small for baling on a regular basis.

MarkV
 
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I would not get anything less than 40-60 HP as was suggested before. I would decide on the hay baler first and see what requirements it had. Balers are heavy and the tractor weight is just as important as the HP of the tractor. If you get a tractor that is not heavy enough you will get pushed around by the baler on hills.

I have a 30HP tractor that I use to to rake and tedder with and a 75HP tractor that I use to cut and bale with. The 75HP tractor weights about 8000 or so pounds and you know the baler is behind you on a few of the hills I bale on. My baler is a NH 565 and it requires atleast 35 HP and manual says tractor weight needs to be more than the baler weight. The baler weights between 3000-4000 pounds. I hope this helps.
 
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The twenty year old pine you have is worth some money and contacting a local state forester about logging those two acres will save you time and effort selling the stumpage for a profit and having the logger cut them flush to the ground for you with their harvester.
If the pine is "superpine" it might be worthwhile.

2 acres of chip n' saw 20 yr old regular pine might yield about 60 cord, or about 150 ton. With prices around $15/ton last quarter. Just off almost record lows for this century. Forestry Extension Services - Reports

And when I went by the chipping plant on the Tombigbee at Fulton last week it was not operating, so demand may be slow.

If you can wait till the market improves you might get twice as much as it continues to grow.

I got my little ride for a very similar purpose.
I've a 40 acre piece of natural regrowth after clearcut, and some of it is dense pine, the largest about 14" DBH and most not worth pushing over.

I want to create/maintain trails which will require cutting, grading, and a little stump removal. But if you want to do serious stump pulling you are best learning to make your own explosives and blowing them out of the ground.

I'd strongly suggest you look at Barlows, used, and 50HP or larger.
 
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Boy Newbury is so right about the value of timber these days. I often hear people saying you should bring in a logger and make money off the 2 - 6 acres you want cleared. Well prices are so low right now that unless you have a bunch of land and don't want much for the timber you are going to have a hard time getting anyone to work it. I my area even with good pricing on timber you will have a hard time finding anyone that will deal with less than 20 acres. It just cost too much to move the equipment for a small tract.

MarkV
 
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I've got about 35 large straight pines in one section on my property. I had a small business man look at logging them while he was doing some grading work for me nearly a year ago. He told me it would be break even work for him to log them on the side around his other work and all I'd get would be that he'd pull the stumps and burn them with the tops. Couldn't swap any more skid steer work. The market kept dropping and he called me one day to tell me to wait a while and he'd revisit it when it rebounds.
 
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I had a fellow take out some hardwood. The local mill was buying hardwood logs for a little while and then hardwood for pulp until the price came way down. And for about a day, believe or not, one of the two local mills bought pine, then they came to their senses. So for now, what I plan to do is thin it out a little, clean up the tops and pulp logs left in the field by the fellow, and get into some grading and bushhoggin'. I'm still looking and meaning to pull the trigger by 6/1. Wife dropped off the new JD info in my lap the other day. I used it to beat the dog when he was digging in the tomato patch. Now the dog barks at my neighbor's JD. Heh-heh. May go the Barlow route since the local dealer, although very popular around here, is awfully high and hardly wants to deal.
 
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Going to MS? Quite the move from VA. But, since I made the move from S. Fla., I can't say much. Coming to North, South, or Central?
 

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