Why? What are you farming? Are you going to buy all the hay you need and not produce any on your land?
Hay Farmers getting out of farming
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Sounds like you don't have anything to do with farming either.
OzarkChris
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Sree, sometimes the capital costs, maintenance, expendable, etc ,etc (let alone the labor & physical stress on your body) just don't add up when producing your own hay.
sea2summit
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Stolen from the groan thread, it's true.
A man owned a small ranch near Great Falls, Montana. The Montana Labor Department got a tip that he was not paying proper wages to his help and sent an investigator out to interview him.
"I need a list of your employees and how much you pay them," demanded the investigator.
"Well," replied the rancher, "there's my ranch hand who's been with me for 3 years. I pay him $1200 a week plus free room and board."
"The cook has been here for 18 months, and I pay her $1000 per week plus free room and board."
"Then there's the half-wit. He works about 18 hours every day, with no days off, and does about 90% of all the work around here. He makes about $10 per week and pays his own room and board."
"But, I buy him a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night, and he also sleeps with my wife occasionally."
"That's the guy I want to talk to... the half-wit," says the investigator.
"You're talking to him," replied the rancher.
A man owned a small ranch near Great Falls, Montana. The Montana Labor Department got a tip that he was not paying proper wages to his help and sent an investigator out to interview him.
"I need a list of your employees and how much you pay them," demanded the investigator.
"Well," replied the rancher, "there's my ranch hand who's been with me for 3 years. I pay him $1200 a week plus free room and board."
"The cook has been here for 18 months, and I pay her $1000 per week plus free room and board."
"Then there's the half-wit. He works about 18 hours every day, with no days off, and does about 90% of all the work around here. He makes about $10 per week and pays his own room and board."
"But, I buy him a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night, and he also sleeps with my wife occasionally."
"That's the guy I want to talk to... the half-wit," says the investigator.
"You're talking to him," replied the rancher.
You mean it's just too hard and not worthwhile to do it. I wonder why there are even farmers. It's a tough life. What's your story? How come you ended up as a farmer?
JESSE1
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Exactly. I can run a few more head of cows by opening up my hay meadow for grazing. My equipment is old and I'm not going to invest money in replacing it. Also not going to have to buy fertilizer to make hay.
OzarkChris
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Sounds like you are saying that as slight to farmers. If I'm wrong, I apologize. But please also realize that many farmers (especially those from the younger generations) now have either a BS or MS in agriculture.
Why is that? The cities are littered with college grads living in the streets. So, a homeless life attracts those went to college?
OzarkChris
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Let's see, I guess I'm just one of those dumb ones. Grand parents were farmers, parents weren't, but uncle was. I went my own way for awhile went to school for a few years - please don't hold this against me 'cause I only have a MD with 2 surgical fellowships, an MS in Computer engineering and a DPsycSc.
So, who is going to make hay? Sounds like musical chairs in reverse: the folks who get to sit make the hay.
I assume I am talking to farmers and country hicks here. You are writing like a pulitzer prize winner. What are you doing in Calamine, Chris? Looking for inspiration for your next "Grapes of Wrath" best seller?
Snobdds
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I don't think the numbers back up your littered analogy. There might be a few non STEM people living in the streets, but not in any numbers.
But I would be loved to proved wrong.
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Your comment suggests you have no good answer to the points I made about why children may or may not follow their parents into the family business, be that farming or framing, so you try and point out I have nothing to do with farming to distract from the real question:
Why children don't follow their parents into farming?
If you look at hay farming, in particular, the number of acres into hay has consistently been dropping since the end of WWII. Why? Probably because hay is used to feed horses, and farmers dropped horses for tractors. The only horses left are predominantly for pleasure. And we all know that horses are expensive and each year fewer people own fewer horses.
Combine that with the move of cattle to feed lots starting when, probably back in the 50's? and that accounts for another loss of hay users.
Then add into the fact that economies of scale have started playing into just about every industry in the world, and you're going to have more small operations (of any type, not just farming) be swallowed up by larger operations. That's just the way the world works now.
That's why farmers either take off-the-farm jobs, expand, or sell out. Look at the Amish. They have an 80 acre farm. Then they have 5 kids. That leaves 16 acres per kid. Can't do it. What happens? The Amish either move to other areas to buy up farms, or take jobs in factories like they do here. There are literally, tens of thousands of Amish people working in RV factories in northern Indiana. Why aren't they farming?
We have several good friends that are full-time farmers. Every one of them has jobs off of the farm as well. Mostly for the health insurance, and a steady, dependable income stream they can count on that's not dependent on mother nature and wild swings in commodity prices. Very few of their children have continued to farm after college. I can only think of two of the kids that got AG related degrees and continue to farm. Those two got out of dairy decades ago. One is all grain. The other bought into his wife's family horse farm, grain and hay. A 3rd one didn't go to college, but continues to run his family's dairy farm. 24/7/365. No wife. No kids. No off the farm activities. It's a hermit's life for him. My wife has a cousin that's the same way. 24/7/365 loner at her small dairy farm.
I do have a good understanding of a guy sitting by a fire looking off into space telling me what he really thinks about his past life while his eyes water up, wondering if he made the right decisions for his family by working so much. His kids are very grateful for the life he gave them, but that life is not on the farm.
And while technically, I've been a farmer since 1989, I don't consider myself a farmer. I have a tree farm with a USDA farm number and participate in farming activities. I actively maintain my forest and am a good steward of the land. The crop is due for harvest in about 30 more years.
Snobdds
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Have you ever been on a ranch or Farm and see who is actually doing the work? One college grad managing the place hardly displaces the 10 guys needed to do actual work.
You are not wrong. STEM people are as in the same boat as those who went to trade schools. They are not likely to end up in the streets.
Farming is too tough a lifestyle for anyone to choose as a last resort.
Snobdds
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tough has nothing to do with it.
It's a lifestyle that lets boys drive big diesel trucks and drive tractors. There is no time clock or ridged structure. There are a lot of guys that want that.
OzarkChris
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Most of the college grads I know doing farming/ranching are working hard doing most thing on the family farms round here.
Thanks for the reply, Moss. It's informative.
Snobdds
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Yeah, but is every worker a college grad?
