grey market yanmars

[schalfback]

Does any body have any grey market dealers that are recommended in the south carolina,north carolina area and georgia.

 

[1yammerslammer]

hi, I bought my YM1700 from Arch, in western N.C. Other than a oil pressure switch going bad and a broken tach cable, it has been flawless for 2 years. He was very nice and had a large selection. Heres a link:
All tractor Implements at COST!

 

[LMTC]

He advertises the following on his website (per the link you posted): "All tractors are brought to 95% of original specifications."

How on earth does one measure that? Is that for each part? A 95% tire is great, but a 95% piston or ring isn't so great. How about a 5% worn crankshaft? Just seems to me when someone tosses numbers like that out there, there ought to be some explanation of how such a number/measurement is arrived at.

 

[1yammerslammer]

LMTC,

Is that how you crawled to the top of the heap by makeing derogatory comments about other dealers? How would you like someone knocking what was on your website? Does it bother you that bad that I recomended another dealer because I felt like I had gotten good treatment and service from the tractor I purchased from him? I would really hope anyone would research more than my recomendation anyway.

 

[kenmac]

Not trying to stir any trouble here. But, what does Remanufactured by Zen-Noh mean ??. I have a yanmar that came from fredricks. They put the Zen-Noh decals on the tractor

 

[LMTC]

LMTC,

Is that how you crawled to the top of the heap by makeing derogatory comments about other dealers? How would you like someone knocking what was on your website? Does it bother you that bad that I recomended another dealer because I felt like I had gotten good treatment and service from the tractor I purchased from him? I would really hope anyone would research more than my recomendation anyway.

The statement I listed is a direct quote from that site. By "derogatory" do you mean "pointing out potentially misleading advertising"? You posted the link to the website...you brought it up. I just went to it, did some reading, and posed a question based on a statement made there. And my question stands. If someone told me a tractor was brought to 95% of original specs, I would want to know how that was measured. Seems simple enough to me. I quite frankly don't know how that can be done. We will tell customers what we do in our processing, but I would never claim a certain % of original specs as I have no clue how one could determine or document that.

So to everyone...in all seriousness....how could anyone determine that a machine was brought to a given % of original specifications?

And BTW, I continue to be serious in my inquiry, as I was in the original post. If you choose to be sarcastic again, that's on you. We didn't crawl anywhere, and wherever it is that we are located in the "heap" as you reference it is primarily due to consistently being as straightforward with our customers and as diligent with our processing/repairs as we can be.

Ken, email (not PM) me if you would like a brief explanation of what you ask about.

 

[1yammerslammer]

I never meant to be sarcastic as you say, and still stand by what I said. Everyone knows these are USED tractors. I just dont know why you found it neccesary to take a jab at the dealer I recommended, as if trying to say he wasnt honest. All I was trying to do was help the guy, like I have been helped before.I have nothing to gain whether he buys from where I posted, you or anyone else. Maybe thats what I get for trying to help, huh?

 

[LMTC]

I never meant to be sarcastic as you say, and still stand by what I said. Everyone knows these are USED tractors. I just dont know why you found it neccesary to take a jab at the dealer I recommended, as if trying to say he wasnt honest. All I was trying to do was help the guy, like I have been helped before.I have nothing to gain whether he buys from where I posted, you or anyone else. Maybe thats what I get for trying to help, huh?

I simply posed a question based on a claim made on the website you linked. Why would you presume that question to "say he wasnt honest"? Can you explain how one could measure or document 95% of original specifications? I know I can't. Yes, I see such a claim as stretching credibility, but do (and did earlier) acknowledge there may be a means to measure this that I don't understand. Maybe someone else here can explain how such a measurement could be documented.

And if I misread your statement of "Is that how you crawled to the top of the heap" as sarcastic when you really didn't mean it so, then I apologize to you for making the assumption. It sounded sarcastic to me, but in all fairness I should have asked you your intent before assuming.

 

[kenmac]

It could be done this way . take the entire tractor ( or 95%) apart & measure all the parts with micrometers to known factory specs. This is the only way I know it could be done

 

[California]

Maybe this is what he meant by a 95% tractor?

http://www.archstractorsonthecreek.com/images/USED-Mitsubishi_D1800II.JPG

Sorry, Yammerslammer! I know you love your tractor and respect the dealer. It's just that his advertising is a little over the top.

 

[kenmac]

Here Imported tractors grey market remanufactured and new it states that the tractors are re-manufactured by zen-noh as if zen-noh is a re- manufacturing plant of some sort. Here Business Report / Profile here it states something else. That is why I asked my question in my other post

 

[mark777]

Hello 1yammerslammer,

I thought your response to schalfback was a good one, and a dealer I hadn't heard of before. And when you provided a link, I went there (like some others) and read up thoroughly on what they had to offer.

I did see some inaccuracies in their advertising, and the first one being Kenmac's mention of "Remanufactured by Zen-Noh" I also saw some Yanmar models listed as "D" that were in fact a two wheel drive tractors. Besides the unusual statement "All tractors are brought to 95% of original specifications," they don't display any of the actual hours on their tractors.

So, when I come here I often observe the posts from some of the more seasoned Yanmar members, and if I need clarification, I'll check out the link and draw my own conclusions or ask them here. LMTC's "pointing out "potentially misleading advertising" was correct in the sense that potentially, statements in their web-site literature can be mistaken, misunderstood or believed true, when, in fact, they are in error.

I don't think anyone implied that they weren't friendly or dishonest.

Mark

 

[YanmarFever]

They look like a friendly family business that sells vietnamese reconditioned tractors, chinese tractors and has a lot of mowers in stock from what I see of their website

They may be japanese yanmars but they are reconditioned in vietnam

 

[schalfback]

I appreciate your info about this dealer and am sorry that his add stirs so much flac.Any more info out their about dealers would be greatly appreciated.I only wonder where his tractors come from???? japan or viet nam

 

[BruceR]

Welcome schalfback,

That particular dealers tractors are from Viet Nam. Anytime you see statements such as:
What does factory reconditioned mean?
There are reconditioning factories where tractors are disassembled and checked out. The engine is rebuilt with new rings, bearings, gaskets, seals, valves and pistons as needed or whatever else is necessary. Electrical and hydraulic systems are tested and repaired as needed. All tractors are brought to 95% of original specifications.

you know they are VN Recons. The tractors don't have anything new in them. They have been disassembled because they have taken several parts tractors and made one running tractor which is then painted to look new.
Some folks have been very happy with their recon's, others have not been so lucky.

Bruce

 

[BruceR]

Here is a dealer of Yanmars straight from Japan that has a very good reputation here and is located in SC.

Southland Equipment

It's just a matter of taste, I suppose. Some go for the VN Recons, some want one from Fredricks which has been refreshed and has new paint. I prefer an unmolested Yanmar straight off the boat with original paint.

Take your time, find a decent tractor with a good dealer to support it. Keep in mind that unless you are within trailer distance to your dealer, any warranty translates into parts support.

Bruce

 

[1yammerslammer]

Maybe I was very lucky with my tractor, I just know I was treated very well, and I do love my little tractor, as Im sure evryone here does theirs!

 

[tony123]

I'll have to stop by and talk to Ben at Southland, but.....they have a for sale sign in front of the business.

From previous discussion with Ben, it is likely a sale of the property, and not the whole business.

 

[buppy69]

The owner of Southland has been talking about dividing all of the surrounding land and selling lots. I think thats what it means.

Eugene

 

[California]

... [not Southland!] ...particular dealers tractors are from Viet Nam. Anytime you see statements such as:
What does factory reconditioned mean?
There are reconditioning factories where tractors are disassembled and checked out. The engine is rebuilt with new rings, bearings, gaskets, seals, valves and pistons as needed or whatever else is necessary. Electrical and hydraulic systems are tested and repaired as needed. All tractors are brought to 95% of original specifications.

you know they are VN Recons.

Likely VN via Texas.

"The overall reconditioning is up to a 95% standard, which includes, but not limited to (new pistons, cylinders, rings, and bearings if necessary), new head gasket, new or rebuilt pumps, new air filter, new fuel filters and new oil filters. The cylinder head has been reconditioned."

Sound familiar? See Vina Tractor Company's Warranty

And: "We are one of the biggest and fastest growing suppliers of Japanese refurbished compact tractors in the U.S. "
VN Tractors - Your source for refurbished tractors, tractor parts and farm implements

"The parent company in Vietnam is undisputedly the largest reconditioning plant in all of Southeast Asia."
A brief history of Vina Tractor Company

One mystery I don't know the answer to is if these are the guys who provide Bulldog loaders. In any case a Bulldog loader on a Yanmar is a flag that its origin is similar.

From what I've read here, and seen at a similar importer, a lot of the tractors are as good as you would expect for equipment of equivalent age. But some dealers misrepresent them badly, for example 20 years newer than actual, low hours etc, and some of the dealers abandon the customer when a bad unit slips through leading to real disappointment and financial loss.

For some knowledgeable customers its a reasonable gamble to buy a gorgeous looking 'recon' and then expect about the same experience as buying ordinary used equipment without the nice paint job. For the unwary and unlucky who believe a unit is two years old when its 25 years old, ... buyer beware.