Grapple for Kubota L3300

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walton

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I have read on this site about clam shell design grapples and other type grapples. I have narrowed my selection to either the 56 inch WR Long or 48 inch Millonzi Grapple. What is the main difference in the two designs? I will mainly be using the grapple to clear 10 acres of small to midsize trees and down trees.
 
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The Long closes tight, hince called the clam shell style and the millonzi closes over leaving a void open in the middle of the grapple and only the very tips of the grapple coming together.

You will get used to either one and be able to do whatever you need to do with it. My vote would be for the 56" wide unit, I have the 60" version and find that being able to see the edge of the grapple straight out from the loader arms is invaluable when picking up single logs, rocks or even just limbs laying around the fields.
 
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WR Long has two basic styles - the RGB2 and the OBG-2. RGB2 is the clam shell design and the OBG-2 is more like the Millonzi style. Talking with Vance Long about the difference between them he said the clam shell design is better suited for brush/rooting. The OBG-2 is designed for a wide range of material, brush, rocks, concrete, trash. He said if all your going to be getting into is brush and logs then the clam shell would be their best option. If your going to be using the grapple for all kinds of stuff then the Millonzi/OBG-2 would be better.

Hope that helps.
 
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I have the Millonzi 60, and just started using it this spring. I haven't used the clamshell type. I like the fork style of the Millonzi because you can pick up some things (logs, branches, stumps, rocks) without keeping the hydraulics closed over the items. Sometimes you just want to pick something up and move it a few feet into a pile, say, and getting under it feels right. I also like the idea that with a big rock, you're not holding it by hydraulic pressure alone, as it could shift around and you'd drop it. You can get used to using the Millonzi style as a rake, though it takes practice. I think the narrower the better for that use, if your ground is uneven, so you're not digging dirt on one side as you're raking on the other.
Jim
 
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Thanks for the replies. I think I am going with the WR Long 56 inch grapple. I still need to decide if I want add rear remotes or go with the WR Long third function vavle kit. I have read Island Tractor's thread on this subject and do not believe adding rear hydraulics to my tractor will justify the extra $400.00 difference it would cost to add the rear hydraulics instead of the third function valve kit.
 
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There is another difference between the clam shell and "standard" light duty grapples such as the LD48 from Millonzi. No vendor sells a clam shell for less than about $1500 while the LD48 costs less than $900. I am not sure of the WRLong price on their new OMG 48 inch grapple but I am pretty sure it is closer to the Millonzi than it's clamshell brother.

I appreciate that some people think the clam shell may be better for certain tasks but I don't know how much experience ANYBODY has in comparing the two types. Most of us buy one, learn how to use it and that is all we really can comment on with authority. I understand the theory behind the clamshell and there is no doubt that for picking up small sticks or for holding a single small diameter log it would be better but I don't understand why anyone would think it is superior for root grappling. For starters the bottom tines have horizontal rather than vertical orientation which would tend to dig rather than rip as you drive the tractor into brush/roots. I find the LD48 vertical style tines do an excellent job of getting under roots. I can rip a whole bush out roots and all with no trouble at all (see photos).

I have never seen anyone on TBN with either style of grapple complain and then switch to the other style. I take that to mean that both are essentially equally effective overall even if they may have particular strengths and weaknesses.

Size of the grapple is a recurring discussion and if you have read any of my posts you know that I am a strong advocate of smaller grapples for tractors. The unspoken rule of thumb used by people who sell grapples seem to be that they recommend grapples close to the size of the tractor's primary bucket. That, IMHO, is flat wrong and leads people to use heavier and more expensive grapples than optimal for a tractor FEL. I don't know whether the people who sell these things ever use them and they typically are selling primarily to skid steer operators who have a different need than tractor owners.

There are two things that seem to push people to buy larger than they need. 1) they believe a bigger grapple will hold more, and 2) they think they will damage a light weight or smaller grapple. Both of these are simply wrong based on my experience. For starters, you can cram much more into any grapple than you can effectively use because almost any grapple can be stuffed with enough brush to completely obstruct your forward vision. Being able to stuff in more is senseless as you cannot travel far with it anyway unless you have someone walking along side telling you where to turn (see photos). Second, a larger grapple always weighs more and therefore decreases, not increases, your net lift capacity. Third, to my knowledge, no one has managed to break or do anything more than cosmetic damage to a Millonzi LD48 and some of us have been beating the snot out of our grapples for the past two or three years. I use my LD48 on a 41hp tractor with a loader that has a lift capacity of over 2700lbs and a breakout force of over 4000lbs. I can lift the rear of the tractor off the ground while trying to dig out stumps yet I have not damaged the grapple. You damage grapples or FELs with asymmetric or off center loads (more likely with a clamshell than standard or with a wide grapple than a narrow one). No way you could damage a LD48 with a L3300.

There are several companies now that make the LD48 style grapple including WR Long, Millonzi and a few others. There is more experience with the Millonzi on TBN recently but I would have no hesitation to buy a WRLong based on their fine track record.
 

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IslandTractor wrote: "I appreciate that some people think the clam shell may be better for certain tasks but I don't know how much experience ANYBODY has in comparing the two types."

I don't have any experience with either style yet. I did have a long conversation with Vance Long (owner of WR Long). They build both styles and I asked him about the advantages of one over the other. The clamshell style excels at brush work according to him and the Millonzi/OBG-2 style is made to pick up all kinds of stuff. I am sure you can pick up all kinds of things with a clamShell too but he said that for rocks and concrete the Millonzi/OBG-2 works better because it can get under the material. So I think it comes down to what you have in mind to do when you buy a particular style.

I did go with a smaller unit OBG-2 54" based on your recommendation so you better be right...:D
 
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pitt_md said:
I don't have any experience with either style yet. I did have a long conversation with Vance Long (owner of WR Long). They build both styles and I asked him about the advantages of one over the other. The clamshell style excels at brush work according to him and the Millonzi/OBG-2 style is made to pick up all kinds of stuff. I am sure you can pick up all kinds of things with a clamShell too but he said that for rocks and concrete the Millonzi/OBG-2 works better because it can get under the material. So I think it comes down to what you have in mind to do when you buy a particular style.

That sounds reasonable but I do still wonder if the guys that design, build and sell these grapples really have that much experience using them for the sorts of things that folks with CUTs do. Until a couple of years ago it was pretty unusual to see posts on TBN about grapples so there is not a huge amount of experience in the industry with grapples on CUTs. The grapples were virtually all designed initially for commercial duty in skid steers and those are used quite differently than most private owner CUTs. That, IMHO, is why there is so much confusion about what size and duty rating grapple to use on CUTs. The sellers are used to the skid steer market and are only now getting significant experience with CUTs. No question that WRLong would be the biggest of the CUT suppliers though so their experience is likely to be much greater than other manufacturers. Still, even they are kinda late to the market with the OBG style which kinda supports my point that the industry (and potential buyers) are still on the steep part of the learning curve regarding what works best for CUTs.

And, I'm sure you'll love your new grapple. Never heard anyone here complain about any style grapple, probably because they are all to busy using it in toe to toe combat with Mother Nature.:)
 
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I agree with you on the level of experience using these things. Not many of us will ever use both styles in a side by side comparason. Hmmm I can see the artical now...CUT GRAPPLE Wars.

I will be very interested to see the difference, if any, in the quality of construction, fit and finish. I pray that this one fits!!! My old house will be getting knocked over in a couple of weeks and I will need it big time. I also have a about a miles worth of fence line that I cut all the trees down that were crowding the imaginary fence that I will build after I get all the mess cleaned up to take care of.
 
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Just wanted to back up Island tractor on size. So far their are definitely mods I'd like to make to my Millonzi 48, but widening it isn't one of them.

The only thing I can imagine wider being useful for for a cut is using the grapple to rake. But in that case wider would also be harder on the FEL arms. I think all in I'd rather use a york rake
 
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The one thing that will get tested that I do not hear or see anything about is the ability of these things to uproot brush. I have a lot of smaller elm and buckthorn that needs to be removed. Any one use your grapple for this?
 
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Island Tractor does, extensively, and has posted a bunch of pics of what he's done with his 48 millonzi.

I'd say the limiting factor is the strength of your FEl. Which is pretty strong I'd bet.

So my guess is you'd do pretty well, depending on soil.
 
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I've got a NH TC34DA and just went with the Millonzi 48". My thoughts parallel IslandTractors. I need it for more than just pulling out brush and I did not want a heavy weighted or wide grapple. I'm also not looking to pick up twigs with it so clamping down on one little tree is not necessary for me. I want to be able to dig out a rock, uproot a tree, carry firewood etc., so for me the Millonzi style outweighed the clamshell style. I also liked the lighter weight and if guys with much larger tractors can't destroy it, then I'm set. I also do not see the need for a wider grapple, it's not like I'll be carrying a lot of cut up tree stumps. Finally the price is right. I'll let you know how I like it after getting it.
 
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Have you gotten your LD-48 yet. I have been trying to get in touch with Millonzi to order one, but haven't had any luck.

Ken
 
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Island, with the thumbnail pic of that big slab rock in your grapple, those rear wheels CAN'T be on the ground!
 
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Rick Cabell said:
Island, with the thumbnail pic of that big slab rock in your grapple, those rear wheels CAN'T be on the ground!

You are correct. I had a flail mower as ballast but it was touch and go to move that thing across the field. The tractor was moving very slowly with a five or six ft chunk of Jersey barrier type material. It was like driving a hobby horse and the rear did come up if I went too fast.:eek: Not a pleasant sensation even on perfectly flat ground. It was actually pretty easy to lift but once I stared moving the trouble began. I quickly lowered it to skim the grass height but still had a bouncy ride.
 

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KRBrouwer said:
Have you gotten your LD-48 yet. I have been trying to get in touch with Millonzi to order one, but haven't had any luck.

Ken


Yes I did. I may have been one of the last to get one as I've heard they are no longer at their Ohio site. Anyone know for sure if this is true?
 
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Walton. I have a L3300 also. I'm useing a markhem tooth bar and a tatro grapple both mounted on factory bucket. It's amazing what I can do with this setup. The tooth bar converts the bucket into a digger, digs up roots real well. Makes bucket edge stronger as well. I dont fear bending bucket as much with grapple. I used a surplus selector valve that was made for a skid steer, it is very well made and cheap. The grapple and toothbar work together very well. The toothbar sticks out a little and this gives a better bite for the grapple. Have some pictures from a clean up job. Its not trees but old junk takes more clamping preasure to hold than brush. Let me know if I can help anyway.
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