Grapple Grapple for clean up OR hire it out???

   / Grapple for clean up OR hire it out??? #1  

BamaRob

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I'm having some timber cut on 4-5 acres adjacent to my lawn. Pine beetles have infested the pines and it was either cut them or watch them all slowly die. I'm having the area cleared of all trees (pine, sweetgum, maple, black cherry) except the few bigger oaks and dogwoods that are there. There's going to be lots of tops, brambles, muscadine vines, etc. to clean up after the loggers are finished. I'd like to get the area to where I can mow it with my 5' KK rotary kutter behind my Mahindra 2615 4WD. The bigger stumps are spaced widely enough that mowing around them won't be that big of an issue, and the smaller stumps are, for the most part, being cut low enough to the ground that I can mow over them.

I had made up my mind to purchase a 48" Millonzi grapple and a selector valve kit from WR Long to mount on my loader. Total cost would be around $1400.00. I could then use the grapple to pile the tops for burning. This would be accomplished in the afternoons after work and on the weekends. I'd then have to wait until the burn ban is lifted for my county and burn the pile(s) when conditions are right. I had it all planned out. My financial manager (read "wife" for those of you who aren't married :)) has reservations. She's afraid we won't have much use for the grapple once the clean up of this area is complete. I keep assuring her that there will be many, many uses for the grapple in the years to come.

Then, I came across a flier for a local guy advertising land clearing. He has a mulcher attachment on a tracked skid steer machine. I've checked out some of his work and was impressed. He'd turn all the tops, brambles, vines, etc. to mulch and pile the bigger stuff for burning. Plus, he'd grind the stumps down. Wow! This would save me lots of work/time and almost immediately get the area in a condition that can be mowed and ready for planting pines, sawtooth oaks, dogwoods, fruit trees, and whatever else we plan to do with it. So, I gave him a call this morning.

He gets $100/hr. running the mulcher. $75/hr. running a tractor/grapple to pile the bigger stuff. He said it averages between $800 and $1300 per acre depending on the topography, the size and make up of material to be mulched, how rocky the property is (which directly correlates to how many mulcher teeth he has to replace), etc. So, with the mulcher solution, I'm looking at a minimum of $3200 (4 acres X $800/ac.) to have the area cleared. That's more than we're going to make off selling the timber (and, there are some BIG, 24"+ DBH pine logs in there)! I can't fault him on his rates. He has to make a living and I know that type of equipment is expensive to maintain. I think he told me each tooth he has to replace in the mulcher costs about $50.

Of course, I could save my money and not go either of these routes. I've been piling brush by just chaining it to my loader bucket. This involves pushing an appropriate amount of brush together, getting off the tractor and chaining it to the bucket, lift/curl, transport to burn pile, get off tractor to unhitch chains, get back on tractor and dump load. I suspect I could pile 5-10 times as much brush in the same amount of time with the grapple attachment.

I guess I'm just thinking out loud. Any input from similar experiences will certainly be appreciated.

Thanks,

BamaRob
 
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I can see your point but I think a little different
When he clears your lot, you will have a receipt
and when you clear your lot you will have a grapple and lots of spare change
Thats just me
Jim:)
 
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I guess I'm just thinking out loud. Any input from similar experiences will certainly be appreciated.

I went through this decision tree a few months ago and elected to purchase the grapple. Your assumption that you can pile 5-10x the brush w/ the grapple is conservative. I had >100 trees blow down in a severe windstorm, and the previous owners of our property had it logged...note that logged isn't synonymous w/ piled. I had/have about 8 acres to clean up from logging, 120 trees to limb, buck, and pile, and the debris to pile and burn. In about the equivalent of 5 days of work, I've completed 6 acres, have 75 trees ready to be cut into firewood, and am looking forward to the rest.

I too consulted w/ the folks who own mulching businesses, and will hire one once I've completed the lion's share of the work. I don't want to mess w/ some of the brush-type growth. I think this will end up costing me around $1200-$1600 once I've completed what I decided to do myself. Original estimates were around $10,000 for the whole job.

I have $1800 into my grapple/3rd function setup, and will end up saving our family a ton of money.

We have more time than money, and as a result made this decision. If you need it done quickly, the mulchers are awesome.

Best of luck on your decision.
 
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Another option is to make/get a set of brush forks. I eliminated both your choices by doing so and accomplished the same thing, though on a smaller scale. I am able to scooch under brush, logs, etc, and move to piles without getting off tractor. On rare occasion, I have been in bad terrain and have thrown a chain over the pile to transport.
 

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   / Grapple for clean up OR hire it out??? #5  
I have been going through a similar thought process myself only in my case it is do it the hard way versus get a grapple, and I have 20 acres that need cleaned up. I have a hard time figuring out what I will use a grapple for once all the debris is cleared and would be interested in hearing the other uses members have found for their grapples. I know there might be the occasional large rock that could be moved, but again once that is done it's done.
 
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You can always sell the grapple if you dont use it afterwards. Chances are, youll use it a couple times and thank yourself for getting it and then keeping it. However, you can use a set of forks to do the same thing. Ive been doing some clearing as well and when I take a tree down and limb it, I just pile up the brush in fairly neat piles. When it comes time to burn, I can get the whole pile on the forks, transport it to the fire and drop it on. The nice thing about smaller piles is by the time i get back with another load, the previous one is burned pretty well, keeps the fire more managable.
 
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I use my grapple bucket so much that I hardly even have the standard bucket on my loader anymore. You will find all kinds of uses for it once you get it. I cannot even imagine going back to without a grapple bucket. To me the grapple turns the tractor into a MUCH more versatile and usable machine.
 
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I'm thinking do both ... buy the grapple & use it to pick up and pile the big stuff for burning, then hire him to mulch the little stuff and grind the stumps. The $1400 you spend on the grapple will pay for itself in just 2 hrs of his time. I'm betting it will save even more. Do you think he could do all that pickup in 2 hours? Then you just have the $100 phr for him to mulch and grind to a set amount that you want to spend. It may well take more seat time for you to do that ..... :eek: oh gee ...ain't that too bad?:D
 
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Get the grapple. It's a no brainer. :D You will find other uses for it when you are done and if you don't you'll be able to sell it for 90% of what you paid. If you really think you won't need the grapple after finishing the clean up then consider investing in a rear remote rather than a 3rd function valve for your FEL. Without the grapple the 3rd function will be useless but you can always find other ways to use a rear remote.
 
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IslandTractor said:
Get the grapple. It's a no brainer. :D

I've been on the phone with Joe@Millonzi and Nelson@WRLong this morning. Hopefully, I can complete the order process this week and look forward to delivery in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks,

BR
 
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Get the grapple and then get the chipper if you plan on doing this in the future to. I use my chipper every year for a month or two then put it away for the next year. I have an ATI grapple and it sure saves me from getting of the tractor to stack stuff or tie things on....

Do the math.... If its going to cost you X amount this year to do this and you may do more next year, does that cost approximate the cost of the toys? Oops I mean tools?
 
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MrJimi said:
I can see your point but I think a little different
When he clears your lot, you will have a receipt
and when you clear your lot you will have a grapple and lots of spare change
Thats just me
Jim:)


Smart, very smart! Been doing that for years. Have found that the costs sub-ing out a job are usually more than the cost of buying the tool.

You may even be able to deduct the cost of the grapple against the income from the logging. I think that clean up expenses are fully deductable AND if you "get on the stick" you may be able to deduct the costs associated with re-forestation of the land. Check with your local DNR about aplicable programs you may qualify for. You do have a professional forrester, right? Well worth the money.

jb
 
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john_bud said:
You may even be able to deduct the cost of the grapple against the income from the logging. I think that clean up expenses are fully deductable AND if you "get on the stick" you may be able to deduct the costs associated with re-forestation of the land. Check with your local DNR about aplicable programs you may qualify for. You do have a professional forrester, right? Well worth the money.

Smart, very smart, too.

John
 
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I think you should also consider the value of your time. If you are not doing the work yourself, what would you be doing? If you are going to be their watching, then that favors doing it yourself. Obviously you have interest in doing it, or you would not post. Also consider the satisfaction of working the land yourself. You can justify or not justify the financial part of it, but what do you want to do, and will you want to keep doing that kind of work in the future. If so, others are right, no question, buy the product and do it yourself. I think though that the idea of combination is good too. Have him grind the stumps when you are done. Many of us have a chipper as well, which provides further benefit and utility to your tops.
Just thought I would mention that I had my choice down to the Parahna, Millionzi and the unlimited fabrics. I went with the unlimited fabrics, mostly due to design features and what would best suit my needs for my hay operation.
Good luck, have fun, and be safe!
 
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" $75/hr. running a tractor/grapple to pile the bigger stuff "

That might be another idea for after your done at home.
 
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UPDATE!!!


Just got word from Joe that my grapple will be shipping out tomorrow! According to UPS, my selector valve is in Doraville, GA and should be here tomorrow morning.

My financial adviser told me last night that she'd better see some results of this investment. I can't wait to start building burn piles!

Later,

BR
 
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Slippy, tell me more about this unlimited fabrics brand.
 
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Cop -- go to rootgrapple.com --- a lot of us on this board have their stuff and are real happy with 'em.
 
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Cop in Overalls:

I just got my grapple and don't have it hooked up yet. But, the Unlimited Fabrications does a fine job on the grapple. Here are some pictures. It seems to be made real well. I like the way the hoses are run inside the steel frame with minimal exposure, less of a chance in getting caught up in things. Welds look good, metal is good quality. Notice in picture 24 how the hoses run into the cross member and are plumbed out the back in the center. Only hoses hanging out are between the back side of the grapple to the tractor connection.
If you call them you will most likey get Roger or Ronnie. They are both were very helpful to me. I had a ton of questions about all aspects of their grapple compared to others. One of the other features I liked was the teeth at the front. They have some what of a flat surface on them, which I thought would be helpful in cleaning up broken hay bails, spreading it as mulch, and general clean up where more surface is helpful. I went with the 63". I know there are some folks on here that really advocate the smaller size, and I respect that opinion. But for me, I wanted something a little wider as I intend to cut in a great deal of trails this summer through the woods on my farm. I got a new Gannon 76" roll over box blade that I just picked up tonight. My tires are 78" wide. If I use the grapple on the front, I probably would find myself exposing the underside on the tractor more than I like and also possibly having to make two passes with a smaller grapple. As I go into the trial, I plan to clear the brush, small trees etc with the grapple. I used to use my regular bucket, but should go faster with the grapple. 63" will allow me to do most I think in one pass with the follow-up with the box blade.

Also, you will notice that I got the covers for the rods so there is no exposed parts. I will be in some thick stuff with with twigs, stickers, etc all over. In my application I think it is important to protect the working parts of the equipment as much as possible. Those that use them for open field clean up and other open areas, probably not as important. There are also grease fittings on all the joints.

And finally, cost. Their price is less than many of the brands with similar design. $1550 is there price on the web site for the 63" heavy duty grapple. They also make a standard duty for less, and a extreme duty for more. The extreme duty comes with the rod covers like mine. I purchase them extra.

So, I kinda got off the subject, but the UF at rootgrapple.com is good stuff. I also got their bail spear, pallet forks and QA plate. I don't think you can go wrong with their product, but I will give more info this summer as I work through my projects.
 

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