Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

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/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #981  
If the neighbors are paying for this themselves I find it hard to believe there is a monetary payback.
With solar 'farms' that size it is usually people renting out their land to the solar company, for extremely good money.
It seems you can successfully grow some crops under them though. For example, tomatoes like the midday shade. Sheep could possibly grze under them. If not, it is a waste of good farmland.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #982  
This is what solar is now doing in the scam world

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I make my living in the HVAC world, so when I saw free HVAC systems being installed in NC, out of curiosity, I called. Long story short, they install a HVAC system but also install solar panels on my roof, FREE of no charge and a FREE HVAC system!

Guess the only downside was I was informed that I would then "buy" my electricity from the people installing the solar system, but not to worry, because they guaranteed my power bills will be lower and I'll still SAVE money!

I was actually going to have them come over and look at my HVAC systems to see what they would recommend out of amusement on my end, but my wife would shoot me for riling up the dogs on a whim of mine LOL

I'm a huge proponent of Geothermal for heating and cooling, but the reality is after the subsidies went away for Geo, at least in my neck of the woods, sales have plummeted on people because people were not getting money thrown at them for spending 3 to 4 times more for a conventional HVAC system.

My father was spot on when he taught me nothing in life is free.

The sad reality is there are a lot of grown adults who apparently don't believe what my father taught me.

Side-note, just wait for the federal inflation reduction act hits HVAC. It was out and the end of last year, but at this point, no one really can understand it except you apparently get FREE money back! Funny thing, what I do understand is that to qualify for the full amount of a refund (some big money) you basically have to be poor (AKA poverty level). Hmmm.... people who have no money can spend 5k-10K for a new HVAC system? People who have no credit can qualify for a loan? Go figure. And the tax credit is just a feel good measure so if you owe the government a couple of thousand of dollars on you're taxes, you save $500 for spending more than that to get it knocked off. The best part of this federal is each state is going to come up with it's own rules. Talk about a cluster fiasco in the making....
 
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/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #983  
keep that city **** away from the farms.

Well, you move out of the city to get away from people. Because you want to put a trailer in your driveway and a camper in the front yard and chickens in your back yard. Now you don’t like what your neighbor is doing so now you want to bring the city out to the country, so you can be like the government telling everybody around you what they can and can’t do on their property.
LOL. Some do I'd guess but not me. I moved out of the "city" to get away from the crazies before I did something that might land me life in jail. This is off topic though.
Now the question is... are we a civil society or not? If we (still) are then we have an agreed upon set of rules (laws) that govern our interactions together. That leads to property rights and the fact that mine or yours doesn't over ride the others and when someone chooses to do something with their property that affects others property then we go back to...are we a civil society or not. A question, why would an amphitheater be considered agriculture? By the way, we are not talking about building a shed, replacing your septic on your own or other mundane issues, unless you have personally walked around a solar farm... I suggest you set up an appointment with one and take a tour. Put them on your house or shop etc, NOGAF.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #984  
LOL. Some do I'd guess but not me. I moved out of the "city" to get away from the crazies before I did something that might land me life in jail. This is off topic though.
Now the question is... are we a civil society or not? If we (still) are then we have an agreed upon set of rules (laws) that govern our interactions together. That leads to property rights and the fact that mine or yours doesn't over ride the others and when someone chooses to do something with their property that affects others property then we go back to...are we a civil society or not. A question, why would an amphitheater be considered agriculture? By the way, we are not talking about building a shed, replacing your septic on your own or other mundane issues, unless you have personally walked around a solar farm... I suggest you set up an appointment with one and take a tour. Put them on your house or shop etc, NOGAF.
Oh, come on, really? I’ve walked around solar farms and they are no different than walking around a cornfield! It all depends on whether you like them or not. It’s a lot like art, either you like it or you don’t. It’s a bit disingenuous when you infer there’s some moral character to whats in that field.
by the way, Elvis has left the building! Ha ha
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #987  
I've had a couple cats like that. No pet door so the only way we'd get a "gift" is if the cat caught it inside. Not much of a small rodent problem here!
Give me a cat over a dog any day of the week.
Oh I like dogs, too. I've had a few in my life. However, I do not have the time to give them that I think they deserve right now. Cat don't care. I can be gone for a week and they're fine. Dog I'd like to give more attention to. So, once I retire, I plan on getting another dog.

In the mean time, I'm teaching one of our cats to play Bananagrams and drink alcohol.

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/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #988  
Boy howdy, I am amazed at the number of new member posters on this thread. Some with this thread as their first post.
Some it's not. There's some glitchy thing where some folks have been members for years and it shows it's their 1st post.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #989  
Does it mention all the damage done to the earth to produce solar panels, make the concrete to build the windmill foundations or mine the minerals for batteries?
Meh. Put the right people together and they'll figure out how hay production in the USA is killing children in Rhodesia.

I have NEVER seen anyone here say fossil fuels weren’t subsidized. They are
But they are also being penalized.
Green energy IS HEAVILY taxpayer subsidized.
You are not paying attention. I have repeatedly said fossil fuels are not subsidized. Once again creative accounting has been used to falsify a claim which agrees with the desired bias of those who keep repeating the claim which is all it takes to convince the gullible who vote for the candidate with the most signs lining the streets.

A recent post's URL (is it one you posted?) claiming "big oil subsidized $5.9T" if you actually read the claims only found 8% to be tax credits enumerated in legislation, and 92% was claimed "environmental damage."

The same geniouses who fabricated the "oil is subsidized" claim could do the same number on hay production. Are doing the same number on hay production and cattle methane emissions. Just not getting the same traction in the media. Not yet.

I drive a Tesla. And I say "oil is not subsidized".
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #990  
Oh I like dogs, too. I've had a few in my life. However, I do not have the time to give them that I think they deserve right now. Cat don't care. I can be gone for a week and they're fine. Dog I'd like to give more attention to. So, once I retire, I plan on getting another dog.
Not my cats. They pretend to ignore me when I'm here but gone for a day or two they get clingy on return.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #991  
Oh I like dogs, too. I've had a few in my life. However, I do not have the time to give them that I think they deserve right now. Cat don't care. I can be gone for a week and they're fine. Dog I'd like to give more attention to. So, once I retire, I plan on getting another dog.

In the mean time, I'm teaching one of our cats to play Bananagrams and drink alcohol.

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Just sitting around waiting for an “E” 😂
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #992  
According to the Real Estate people most of the houses next to or surrounded by the solar farm will loose 20-50% of value.
Real Estate agents will say anything to talk someone into selling their property for less than it is worth so the agent gets the sale.

Also we are on the TVA system with about the lowest energy rates in the country. When TVA was contacted they knew nothing about the solar farm. Who are they selling the power to?
TVA is a government agency where nobody knows anything. If you are on a TVA grid and there is not a factory at the solar field then TVA is buying the power.

About 12 years ago TVA was fully woke and drunk on PV power. They would have given me a 20 year contract to purchase PV power at $0.12 over the rate my local TVA affiliated utility bills to buy the power. Catch-22 is they had a quota, therefore a lottery, and to even get on the list you had to hire one of the few approved "system designers" for your PV system. If you could win the lottery the installed PV system cost 50% to 100% over the cost of the parts if purchased from one of several internet suppliers.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #993  
I have stayed out of this conversation but feel the need to post this.

I have a 7.5kw solar array on a detached garage that has been producing for 41 months. To build this garage we purchased a 1 acre lot next door to our house. This lot had to be cleared of rubbish and was overgrown with mostly "garbage: trees that were mostly in poor health: intergrown, leaning and hollow and dying. I spent a summer clearing it. (I got my Kubota to get this lot in shape.) About 32 mature trees were removed to clear the lot during this operation.
Later the garage was built and after a time the solar array was completed.

In the 41 month the panels have been making watts it has produced 30 mega-watt-hours of electricity. (Even though this is the middle of the "tundra state" of Minnesota.)
Our electric bill is gone for the year. The 30 MW-Hour figure comes directly from the SolarEdge app that monitors this array.

Here is the important fact:

This production is equivalent to 350 trees planted. (from the app)

So 32 trees were removed and the production equals a small forest.
(We have since planted more trees than we removed.)

Your milage may vary but my math works out for me.

regards to all,

R
How dare you bring facts and experience to the internet!

Al Gore is rolling over in his grave!
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #994  
...
I'm a huge proponent of Geothermal for heating and cooling, ...
Local university is adding 1000 geothermal wells right now to the 1300+ they installed a few years ago. They just finished tearing out all the coal steam generation equipment a month ago. Their boilers were converted to natural gas. They're finishing up a hydroelectric plant on the river that will provide 7% of their electricity needs. They're partnered with a medium sized solar farm a couple miles away. And they're installing a small solar farm on campus next year. I drive by it fairly often just to see the progress.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #995  
I just don’t like 100 acres of taxpayer funded solar panels on nice farmland destroying views when we have perfectly good NG in the ground that could be used.
I have 100 acres. How can I get this "taxpayer funding" to pay for my PV project?
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #997  
Oh, come on, really? I’ve walked around solar farms and they are no different than walking around a cornfield! It all depends on whether you like them or not. It’s a lot like art, either you like it or you don’t. It’s a bit disingenuous when you infer there’s some moral character to whats in that field.
by the way, Elvis has left the building! Ha ha
Art is in the eye of the beholder. But, walking around a solar "farm" is like walking around a corn field? Really? That's like saying walking through a downtown of a major city at night is like walking through the woods. Not equal.
The Elvis I was the caretaker for died about a decade ago, So he has not only left the building... :) He was a very specially trained dog that is still brought up by those that had met him. I no longer train the pups that way, they tend to scare folks who are already afraid of dogs and can't read them. Then he was a giant for the breed and that didn't help. The photo is a partial picture of him on one of my trips to the east coast.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #998  
With solar 'farms' that size it is usually people renting out their land to the solar company, for extremely good money.
It seems you can successfully grow some crops under them though. For example, tomatoes like the midday shade. Sheep could possibly grze under them. If not, it is a waste of good farmland.
It's really limited to what you can grow under these installations. Is it possible? Yes but the labor goes up tremendously and most plants still need more light so you get slower growth. Grazing maybe for a short time anyways. The install would also cost more if you were to try and bring equipment under the array. A lot of what if and or buts. Honestly though, (even though I'm against it and don't consider these an AG business or proper zoning use)I don't blame those that want to do this with their land, it's a easier way to actually make the land pay. It's not like many of the kids these days want to live the life of a farmer and actually do physical work.
 
/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #999  
It is ironic one can chastise those seeking to use their property in a use they claim destroys the land, yet those same complainers will look upon these power plant installations as though they are a pretty sight? These plants destroyed hundreds of acres from any future farming use. But a solar plant is easily converted back to farmland without the pollution and damage caused by these fossil-fuel based plants!
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/ Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation #1,000  
It is ironic one can chastise those seeking to use their property in a use they claim destroys the land, yet those same complainers will look upon these power plant installations as though they are a pretty sight? These plants destroyed hundreds of acres from any future farming use. But a solar plant is easily converted back to farmland without the pollution and damage caused by these fossil-fuel based plants!
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So, not much info to really discuss this. How old are these plants? Megawatts produced per acre? One LOOKS to be coal fire and the other natural gas. What generation is the tech in these? The IPCC claims these type of plants put out 2x the CO2 (not a pollutant) than solar but they also do not include the life cycles of each or the degradation while mining for the rare earth needed to produce them.. What you see in the finished product isn't equal as with solar a lot of the damage is done offsite.These plants are not new by any means and were built under different circumstances than we currently have. Depending on the tech used in solar PV systems need 3.5 to 10 acres per MW, CSP systems need 4 to 16.5 acres. Yeah, a big variation there on land requirements but it's all about location. If you read Treehugger, solar is all rainbows and unicorns. If they chose to use old industrial sites, landfills or better yet, as they decommission these site as planned... use them. That may just get rid of some of the opposition. But to take farmland off the roles is just plain stupid. The country isn't as well set food production wise as it used to be. But, I bet these plants will work in a storm and freezing conditions. Have people not learned from the Texas fiasco or what is going on energy wise in Europe yet. If you want solar, put it on your house, get a hybrid system so you can use it when the grid has a failure and add in some batteries for those times it won't produce. The history of those plants would be interesting, was it actually farm land to start with? Did the emanate domain for the greater good? And so on. Since we are on a tractor forum, who wants an electric tractor? With power supplied by solar to stay on topic :) Solar has it's place, and it's on your rooftop.
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