Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[dieselade]

you can have worse neighbors come in.

 

[Hay Dude]

I remember the polluted smoggy air back in the 60's where I could not take deep breaths without going into a deep coughing fit. Yes, the changes they made back then did make a huge difference that improved our air quality significantly. Since then (almost 50 years ago) we have continued the same energy policies using oil and coal with continuous improvements and the air quality continues to get better. This proves that oil and coal can continue to be used without going back to the bad air quality days of the 60's.

Green energy will never be a national energy replacement for the USA. The green energy agenda is nothing more than a huge money grab perpetrated by corrupt greedy politicians, corrupt greedy businesses and our greatest adversary China. This reminds me of the huge money grabbing scam perpetrated by corrupt big pharma and corrupt politicians to push the covid vaccine and all the booster shots on the world when it wasn't needed at all for most people. It was all about the money.

Like I said before, oil will be replaced as our primary energy source one day but it won't be with solar and wind energy because solar and wind will never provide the energy needed to run our nation as a primary energy source.

I agree with what you say, but convincing the perpetrators of the myths they dispel won’t be easy.
Look how easy it is to show videos of polar bears to children, or a forest fire, or a child crying for water. Those are powerful images to the non-skeptical educated people. And those people vote by the millions based on emotional imagery.

Convincing people that climate change is cyclical and has been for millions of years is harder than showing an emotional image of a polar bear. The dumber our population becomes, and it’s a statistical fact that our IQ has dropped overall, the more challenging it is to educate people.

About the only thing that can stop this wave of irrational emotion leading to unsustainable taxation and inflation would be a global cooling period. It’s very easy to tell a population of dolts “see??? I told you!! it’s cyclical”. However, it’s probably too late. We will now suffer extreme consequences to our actions.

We will have hectares of land covered by solar panels that don’t work at night or on cloudy days and are much less efficient in winter solstice.
The Chinese pound coal all day. We are being replaced as the world’s superpower.

Anyone get the correlation?

 

[Rockbadchild]

I just read all 30 pages.... Interesting that there is very little in those 30 pages about "Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation".

yeah because there is very little one can do and what can be done has been covered, maybe there is more but then the conversation steered toward why would you be against it to begins with ... and that where we are at... although it has steered I think we are having a good conversation.

 

[MossRoad]

Yes but the fed reserve is humming along printing the way out of debt. Income tax since then. Your grands turned in 20 dollar gold pieces for 20:dollar bills. Now it takes 70-80 20 dollar bills to buy that same 20 dollar gold piece back. All your silver money ain't silver, your copper money ain't copper, your gold is cotton paper, so where is the value?

And every one of my relatives that kept gold or cash in their homes lost money compared to if they'd have invested it wisely. Money (or gold) that sits does no work for you.

 

[Hay Dude]

And every one of my relatives that kept gold or cash in their homes lost money compared to if they'd have invested it wisely. Money (or gold) that sits does no work for you.

Pure unadulterated BS
Gold is up 518% in 20 years, 48% in 5 years.
Gold has risen in value $1,683 per ounce in 20 years.
Gold was $300/ounce in 2003. It is now $1998/ounce.
Please stop spreading false information. Not everything Dave ramsey says is gospel.

Maybe your relatives that bought gold didn’t know how to handle it. I and many of my friends that invest in precious metals know it’s a great way to balance a portfolio and a great hedge against inflation, like the terrible inflation we have now

 

[MossRoad]

I just read all 30 pages.... Interesting that there is very little in those 30 pages about "Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation".

Hmmm.... maybe because they aren't too bad as neighbors, bring tax dollars to a location, the land stays under ownership of THE FARMER THAT OWNS THE LAND AND CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT, etc.

 

[MossRoad]

Pure unadulterated BS
Gold is up 518% in 20 years, 48% in 5 years.
Gold has risen in value $1,683 per ounce in 20 years.
Gold was $300/ounce in 2003. It is now $1998/ounce.
Please stop spreading false information. Not everything Dave ramsey says is gospel.

Maybe your relatives that bought gold didn’t know how to handle it. I and many of my friends that invest in precious metals know it’s a great way to balance a portfolio and a great hedge against inflation, like the terrible inflation we have now

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He was specifically talking about my grandparents.

 

[MossRoad]

I've always like Warren Buffett

Buffett’s gold cube analogy​

To get his point across about gold in that shareholder letter, Buffett imagined owning all of the world’s gold — at the time 170,000 metric tons — melded into a cube about 68 feet per side. “Picture it fitting comfortably into a baseball infield,” he wrote.

In 2011 prices (not far off today’s value) the brick would be worth $9.6 trillion. With that money, Buffett noted, you could have also owned all 400 million acres of U.S. cropland, the entirety of Exxon Mobil (at the time the world’s most profitable company, and a stock that pays a generous dividend) 16 times and still have $1 trillion left over.

If you’re wondering what you’d rather own for the long term, think of what you’d have decades down the line, Buffett suggested.

“A century from now, the 400 million acres of farmland will have produced staggering amounts of corn, wheat, cotton, and other crops — and will continue to produce that valuable bounty whatever the currency may be,” he wrote. “Exxon Mobil will probably have delivered trillions of dollars in dividends to its owners and will also hold assets worth many more trillions (and remember you get 16 Exxons).”

Your gold cube, meanwhile, will simply continue to be a gold cube. The price of gold could be higher or lower a century from now. In the meantime, Buffett quipped, “you can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

And every one of my relatives that kept gold or cash in their homes lost money compared to if they'd have invested it wisely. Money (or gold) that sits does no work for you.

Previously that was good thinking, I even thought that way too. But previously is not here anymore.

 

[pmsmechanic]

So I wrote my post about reading 30 pages..... And then I went and thought about what I would do in your relatives situation.

I believe that there is going to be very little winning in fighting the industrial solar generating station. What I would do if I were in their shoes is try to get written into the contract that they get a set amount of their power paid for by the solar company every month for the life of the solar generating installation. Some direct benefit for me would go a long ways towards mitigating the eyesore.

 

[MossRoad]

Previously that was good thinking, I even thought that way too. But previously is not here anymore.

A few years back (2008, maybe, but can't recall for sure), we had a local brass company that had a lot of inventory. They also had loans against the value of their assets. The brass market tanked. I mean TANKED! and the value of their brass became less than the value of their loans, and a lot of people lost their jobs. It was pretty shocking to the community at the time. It's since rebounded, but man, that was sad to see that company get in that situation so fast.

 

[Jstpssng]

We need to do what is best for our country and quit fixating on what China does. I remember the disgusting air and water pollution of the 1970s, you might be too young to remember. It’s far better today because we did what is best to clean up our country.

What’s best for our country is to stop doing business with China. Period. Until that happens, we are culpable for the crap they emit into the air and water.

 

[jyoutz]

Better grab some glasses and check your bill again. Ours has gone up. There’s more taxes on energy, so they can use the confiscated money for more green energy projects.

My bill has never varied from $150-170 monthly since 2005. Mine is higher than most due to 3 service boxes, 3 freezers, and a deep well pump. If there are more taxes, they are negligible. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Jstpssng]

We are being replaced as the world’s superpower

That has been happening with our compliance and approval over the last 30 years. In 1995 I stated this very thing would happen. The person I was talking to said “That will never happen, they depend on us too much.”

 

[TN8Man]

I agree with what you say, but convincing the perpetrators of the myths they dispel won’t be easy.
Look how easy it is to show videos of polar bears to children, or a forest fire, or a child crying for water. Those are powerful images to the non-skeptical educated people. And those people vote by the millions based on emotional imagery.

Convincing people that climate change is cyclical and has been for millions of years is harder than showing an emotional image of a polar bear. The dumber our population becomes, and it’s a statistical fact that our IQ has dropped overall, the more challenging it is to educate people.

About the only thing that can stop this wave of irrational emotion leading to unsustainable taxation and inflation would be a global cooling period. It’s very easy to tell a population of dolts “see??? I told you!! it’s cyclical”. However, it’s probably too late. We will now suffer extreme consequences to our actions.

We will have hectares of land covered by solar panels that don’t work at night or on cloudy days and are much less efficient in winter solstice.
The Chinese pound coal all day. We are being replaced as the world’s superpower.

Anyone get the correlation?

Yes, the biggest problem is the mainstream media including big tech social media has been commandeered by the ruling class and now we have at least a generation of children being indoctrinated in schools and media with corrupt ideology.

Many people don't see this but the good news is a growing number of people are starting to wake up and see reality.

 

[TN8Man]

That has been happening with our compliance and approval over the last 30 years. In 1995 I stated this very thing would happen. The person I was talking to said “That will never happen, they depend on us too much.”

This plan goes back a long time, probably 70+ years. Kissinger calls it the New World Order.

 

[turbo36]

And they are killing us, too. It doesn’t stay within their borders.

The bigger point is while they brainwash America into spending trillions on this green energy farce, they continue to beat us 6 ways to Sunday in manufacturing.

Is the game they’re playing becoming more clear to you? They guilt us into spending 2-3X what we spend to make electricity while they use cheap, plentiful coal & gas?

You contradict yourself on your post so many times I think you just spit the first thing that comes out of your mouth. So China is using coal and killing us and you think that we should use coal also to kill us faster? Just so we can be economically competitive? Talk about being brainwashed.

 

[jyoutz]

You contradict yourself on your post so many times I think you just spit the first thing that comes out of your mouth. So China is using coal and killing us and you think that we should use coal also to kill us faster? Just so we can be economically competitive? Talk about being brainwashed.

And the economics of coal really isn’t that good of a deal anymore: mining, rail transport, high maintenance power plants with scrubbers and toxic waste disposal. Our largest in-state power company said they had millions of dollars of savings by switching from coal to a mix of gas and renewables. What was true 20 or even 10 years ago no longer is. It isn’t 1970 anymore.

 

[pmsmechanic]

You contradict yourself on your post so many times I think you just spit the first thing that comes out of your mouth. So China is using coal and killing us and you think that we should use coal also to kill us faster? Just so we can be economically competitive? Talk about being brainwashed.

I had no troubles understanding the meaning of what Haydude said.

 

[riptides]

China is in economic decline. I imagine in two to three years, India will be the number one producer of solar kit.

As far as a New World Order, it has always been about the United States of America, and its allies.

Everything else is nonsensical.