Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[ROUSTABOUT]

I don’t see the brown smoggy air in the cities anymore like we had in the 1970s and don’t smell it. No more rivers catching fire like back then. Nixon’s clean air and water acts worked. China can kill their people; we don’t have to copy them.

Heard of stratospheric aerosol injection ? I don't see why we are so concerned about environmental issues that are creating our own demise. China, India, Russia, no concerns what so ever. They were our competition but now we are not even a contender. It's all fun and games until the Saudis get off of the petrodollar. We lose status as the world reserve currency. The cities will be burning, people killing right and left, but we were watching out for the environment... You see, gas was .25 a gallon in 1964. When a quarter was silver. Gas will be 6.00 a gallon after the Saudi move, the worth of that same silver quarter now. Reserve currency status and currency manipulation keeps the prices deflated. So, imagine 6.00 gas, 9.00 diesel, prices of groceries, wages not keeping up, people WILL hit the streets, but we were environmentally responsible, while tire fires are polluting the he double L out of everything. You'll get that pollution you've been avoiding, all at one time.

 

[jyoutz]

Heard of stratospheric aerosol injection ? I don't see why we are so concerned about environmental issues that are creating our own demise. China, India, Russia, no concerns what so ever. They were our competition but now we are not even a contender. It's all fun and games until the Saudis get off of the petrodollar. We lose status as the world reserve currency. The cities will be burning, people killing right and left, but we were watching out for the environment... You see, gas was .25 a gallon in 1964. When a quarter was silver. Gas will be 6.00 a gallon after the Saudi move, the worth of that same silver quarter now. Reserve currency status and currency manipulation keeps the prices deflated. So, imagine 6.00 gas, 9.00 diesel, prices of groceries, wages not keeping up, people WILL hit the streets, but we were environmentally responsible, while tire fires are polluting the he double L out of everything. You'll get that pollution you've been avoiding, all at one time.

OK. I guess we’ll see. I’m not quite so pessimistic. We’ll see how things pan out.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Some are claiming land is being seized for wind and solar.

The only time I've seen land seized is for oil and natural gas pipelines through eminent domain.

I can't find any instances of land behind seized for solar or wind farms. Not saying it didn't happen, just that I can't find any instances of it so far.

As for windmills killing birds, far more die in settling ponds in coal mines and oil fields.

How much govt subsidies are involved? I know they pay oil companies here to change out huge engines on oil rigs. The owners told me.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

OK. I guess we’ll see. I’m not quite so pessimistic. We’ll see how things pan out.

Don't tell me you think things have gotten better the last few years.

 

[Williy]

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components. I did not get the 100 ah batteries that cost
approx $1400+ I purchased the cheap deep cycle batteries and set the inverter so it would not go below the 23 volt mark as I have a 24 volt system and my
batteries lasted for approx 11 years and no you can not
drain a Lithium battery as you will kill it! The recycling
is what kills the batteries. I use 24 volts so I can use 2
batteries to make 24 volts. The lithium $1400+ batteries
to get 48 volts it takes 4 12 volt batteries 4 X $1400+
= over $5600 and you still only have 100 ah
I use the 12 volt 8 or 900 cca and the cost is less than
$400 for the 2 batteries. Also you can get a controller & inverter all in one for less than $2000. Used solar
panels cost between $50 to $100 each fro 200 watts
to 300 watts each. Installation costs are high, crew &
equipment and they have a warranty usually all cost
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[MossRoad]

A silver quarter is only worth $4.52 in scrap silver value as of April 7, not $6. Just sayin...

 

[jyoutz]

Don't tell me you think things have gotten better the last few years.

Well, we are in a post COVID worldwide inflationary period. That’s not good, but I experienced far worse inflation in the late 1970-80s. My first mortgage in 1987 was at the prevailing rate of 10%. I remember gas lines and rationing in the early 80s. There have been far worse world war periods than now. My grandparents had ration tickets for food, fuel and things like tires in the 1940s. People in the US aren’t starving like in the 1930s when my grampa made moonshine to survive. Nothing stays the same: the world goes through boom and bust economies. After the world wide pandemic and supply chain shutdown, it’s not surprising that we are experiencing inflation. On the other hand, unemployment is low. All things continue to change and I’m old enough not to worry about every turn of events.

 

[jyoutz]

You are in the very tiny minority of farmers, if you look up the total number of farmed acres in the world, you will be shocked at how insignificant a farming is. Most of hay farming is for well to do horse people. It is a luxury farming, not a necessity farming.

All you ever do is make baseless claims. Back up some of your talk with facts and figures and then maybe I'll take you serious. You really just like to stir the pot.

Most of the hay grown in my state is alfalfa for the dairy industry. There is grass hay grown for hobby horse people, but it’s a small percentage. My guess is this is the same in most states with beef and dairy cattle being the focus of hay production.

 

[MossRoad]

Well, we are in a post COVID worldwide inflationary period. That’s not good, but I experienced far worse inflation in the late 1970-80s. My first mortgage in 1987 was at the prevailing rate of 10%. I remember gas lines and rationing in the early 80s. There have been far worse world war periods than now. My grandparents had ration tickets for food, fuel and things like tires in the 1940s. People in the US aren’t starving like in the 1930s when my grampa made moonshine to survive. Nothing stays the same: the world goes through boom and bust economies. After the world wide pandemic and supply chain shutdown, it’s not surprising that we are experiencing inflation. On the other hand, unemployment is low. All things continue to change and I’m old enough not to worry about every turn of events.

My wife and I paid 3 points to get our first mortgage down to 12.5% in 1985. I also remember gas rationing. My father and mother both grew up during the depression. I took their lessons to heart. We are nowhere near as bad off as they had it. Not even close.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

A silver quarter is only worth $4.52 in scrap silver value as of April 7, not $6. Just sayin...

It has been, and I don't keep up with prices of precious metals. Most value I ever held is probably copper. Had a bunch of monell once but they paid me for stainless.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

My wife and I paid 3 points to get our first mortgage down to 12.5% in 1985. I also remember gas rationing. My father and mother both grew up during the depression. I took their lessons to heart. We are nowhere near as bad off as they had it. Not even close.

Yes but the fed reserve is humming along printing the way out of debt. Income tax since then. Your grands turned in 20 dollar gold pieces for 20:dollar bills. Now it takes 70-80 20 dollar bills to buy that same 20 dollar gold piece back. All your silver money ain't silver, your copper money ain't copper, your gold is cotton paper, so where is the value?

 

[jyoutz]

Yes but the fed reserve is humming along printing the way out of debt. Income tax since then. Your grands turned in 20 dollar gold pieces for 20:dollar bills. Now it takes 70-80 20 dollar bills to buy that same 20 dollar gold piece back. All your silver money ain't silver, your copper money ain't copper, your gold is cotton paper, so where is the value?

Think about this: what intrinsic value does gold or any metal have? It’s only as valuable as the market says it is. Paper money is likewise the same. Real goods: food and durable goods, and services are really the only things that have intrinsic value. Within a couple of decades I doubt that paper and metal money will even still exist. It will all be digital money.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Think about this: what intrinsic value does gold or any metal have? It’s only as valuable as the market says it is. Paper money is likewise the same. Real goods: food and durable goods, and services are really the only things that have intrinsic value. Within a couple of decades I doubt that paper and metal money will even still exist. It will all be digital money.

If I had a pile of gold or a pallet of cash and I was very open about it, then it all collapses. Which one would cause a group of armed men showing up here to get it? I do believe brass will be the value. You can get anything you want with it. Trade it or even give it to unexpectant recipients. I know a man that laid down 14 during Katrina. They were shooting at him, but they had shotguns and pistols. He had a 30-06. Other side, my uncle was over a trooper headquarters in Louisiana, sent him down there. He said they were not investigating any deaths. So in the absence of law... Uncle ended up on an overpass watching over some of Angola's finest. My friends here worked at a prison here that all those Angola inmates were sent to. I mean before they got there the windows were shot out of the buses while they were going down there. Inmates were fully chained, arms and legs. Been peeing and pooping in their clothes for a week. Some were big with dread locks to their ankles. Protocol was to shave them, strip them, hose them down. They were getting loud about it. Guards picked the biggest baddest looking one and beat him down to a pulp. Drug him off around corner of building by his ankle bracelets. Rest of prisoners got back in line after that. They purposely kept that one inmate in another building so the others wouldn't know if he was live or dead. Then they moved the good prisoners at the prison to some other buildings they had and locked the Angolians in the cells. I told that to describe how the law can be. So, if this America experiment unravels, and they are trying to unravel it, get ready for open season.

 

[mikester]

It's used for hay and horses to graze.

Do you eat the horses or raise them for meat? Are you Amish? If not those horses are pets. Dog kennels aren't considered farming either.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don’t see the brown smoggy air in the cities anymore like we had in the 1970s and don’t smell it. No more rivers catching fire like back then. Nixon’s clean air and water acts worked. China can kill their people; we don’t have to copy them.

Yep, good thing that pollution doesn’t cross borders.
Just like the rafts of plastic, they stay right along the coast line of the country they came from.

Then there’s the economic advantage aspect. How long has China been considered a “developing nation”? They are kicking our @ss and the environmentalists just keep on saddling the US with more “environmental” regulations while China becomes the world’s reigning superpower.
The dollar is about to be replaced as the world’s currency. Your bank account’s value will soon be diminished even further. While we ban things we need to survive, they are laughing themselves to sleep over our guilt/stupidity that the crying teenagers and their enabling parents.

There is going to be a BIG price to be paid for this and it will most definitely be a substantial loss of the middle class in this country and probably war. Both of those things are starting to happen right now, if you didn’t notice.

 

[Hay Dude]

I’m being completely honest. I have lived at my current place for 18 years. During that time, the electric coop has closed two coal plants, built a new gas plant, and added many wind and solar installations. My monthly electricity bill is almost identical to my bill in 2005. They claim the renewables and gas plant are cheaper energy. I don’t understand your logic about “affordable energy.” You might not like renewables, but cost isn’t a valid argument.

Better grab some glasses and check your bill again. Ours has gone up. There’s more taxes on energy since 2020, so they can use the confiscated money for more green energy projects.

 

[Hay Dude]

Think about this: what intrinsic value does gold or any metal have? It’s only as valuable as the market says it is. Paper money is likewise the same. Real goods: food and durable goods, and services are really the only things that have intrinsic value. Within a couple of decades I doubt that paper and metal money will even still exist. It will all be digital money.

And then you will be 100% in the control of their digital world. They can turn off or on your money as they feel fit. Don’t believe me? Just ask the Canadian Truckers how it went for them when they protested Covid shots.
Or how about China with their social scores, step out of line and your “rating” goes down. Then you become more restricted. Then your kids can only go to certain colleges. Speak out against the new administrative state, and your kids go to Butte State Community College. Be a good little butt kisser and they can go anywhere they want.

Anyone who wants digital currency is a fool and will be controlled as one.

Physical Money is Freedom. Digital currency is oppression.

 

[Rockbadchild]

We need to do what is best for our country and quit fixating on what China does. I remember the disgusting air and water pollution of the 1970s, you might be too young to remember. It’s far better today because we did what is best to clean up our country.

I disagree, pollution is a worlds problem and it need world wide solution to make any differences, the way to make a reel impact would be to cut in half the biggest polluting countries and not shaving fractions on already relatively green and conscientious countries. This was debated thoroughly in a other thread but ho well ... the reality is we make policies that force companies leave our countries to countries that don't have these pollution policies, so as a result yes we pollute less but them they pollute way more, so the global pollution increase. But hey we feel good about ourself and we say, hey guys look at us we are doing so good, we don't have any jobs but we don't create much pollution...

 

[TN8Man]

I don’t see the brown smoggy air in the cities anymore like we had in the 1970s and don’t smell it. No more rivers catching fire like back then. Nixon’s clean air and water acts worked. China can kill their people; we don’t have to copy them.

I remember the polluted smoggy air back in the 60's where I could not take deep breaths without going into a deep coughing fit. Yes, the changes they made back then did make a huge difference that improved our air quality significantly. Since then (almost 50 years ago) we have continued the same energy policies using oil and coal with continuous improvements and the air quality continues to get better. This proves that oil and coal can continue to be used without going back to the bad air quality days of the 60's.

Green energy will never be a national energy replacement for the USA. The green energy agenda is nothing more than a huge money grab perpetrated by corrupt greedy politicians, corrupt greedy businesses and our greatest adversary China. This reminds me of the huge money grabbing scam perpetrated by corrupt big pharma and corrupt politicians to push the covid vaccine and all the booster shots on the world when it wasn't needed at all for most people. It was all about the money.

Like I said before, oil will be replaced as our primary energy source one day but it won't be with solar and wind energy because solar and wind will never provide the energy needed to run our nation as a primary energy source.

 

[pmsmechanic]

I just read all 30 pages.... Interesting that there is very little in those 30 pages about "Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation".