FarmTrac Troubles

[Dark shadow]

Blue, you around or can we assume you are still reading years Farmtrac/Textron emails?

 

[blueliner]

Fraud????-----didn't the government give GE 139 Billion dollars so that they can pay the 50 million dollar fine?

RNF:

Thx for de-encrypting your laser-accurate shots for those of us in the western world. : )

Yes... the govt. basically put a TARP on their $50 million tap on the Fannie. It was a "green" handshake of sorts; more of an exercise in accounting than true punishment. An Al Cobb-like bookkeeping move?

--b

 

[blueliner]

Blue, you around or can we assume you are still reading years Farmtrac/Textron emails?

Dark:

I'm still lurking while recouperating from my day gig: a heapin' helpin' of a $5.3 million bond project.

But guarantee that I'm *not* going away.

--b

 

[margerisons]

Where would one look for a Farmtrac 795DTC and Farmtrac 7115DTC?
Nomrally wouldnt even look at a smaller brand like this but an interest was sparked as they're made from the same design as my Favourite European Tractors.

http://www.tractorhouse.com/images/Tractor/fullsize/77798825.jpg
Built by SAME
http://www.equipmentlocator.com/photos/equip/386975-1.jpg
& Also in Deutz design
http://www.deutzfahrusa.com/images/products/3-agrolux.jpg

http://www.seauction.com/main.jpg
SAME version
http://img.agriaffaires.com/farm-tractor/g2_g2763_20090623163922_1/same-silver110.jpg

 

[agequipt]

I have both in stock if you would like to look or price.

1800-898-4149
Rob
Ag Equipment Co

 

[redneckford]

any rode island clams yet????!!!!

 

[Dark shadow]

Clam bake postponed. Lack of interest by the host.

 

[blueliner]

Clam bake postponed. Lack of interest by the host.

Darkness,

Welcome back into the farmer's cyber version of the Jungle. It's always a pleasure...

TFC's probably not pushing it, because it does not serve them. Time is on their side as more interest accrues, more dealers either fall off or are not able/willing to sustain the mental and financial rigors of maintaining business--or of filing suit.

A good-sized Kentucky dealer said early in the game that major corporations not only have a cadre of legal personnel on retainer but are notorious for cluttering Joe Citizen's path with continuances and other courthouse manipulations that can delay actual proceedings from happening for years.

Sometimes decades.

Long enough that "all those launching the case died. That's one way to improve odds of winning," the Blue Grass State retailer said.

In addition, there's a significant risk of the two executive groups not winning if they go toe-to-toe with dealers in front of the scale-holding naked lady. Mid-January 2010 will be the two-year mark since the tractor assembler closed its doors, and left workers and dealers in the dark. It has been adequate time for buyers and sellers to communicate, and perform the forensics needed to substantiate their case.

One thing's for sure: I'm waiting for the court showdown to so acculumate, compile and scribe the final chapters of this story. It'd make my mother fu**ing day--and much, much longer--for a front row seat while FNA and TFC execs squirm in the chair during testimony, then deal with swift, severe meteing out of justice.

A double-starched shirt, tie and pants hang in the closet at the ready.

--b

 

[redneckford]

Darkness,

Welcome back into the farmer's cyber version of the Jungle. It's always a pleasure...

TFC's probably not pushing it, because it does not serve them. Time is on their side as more interest accrues, more dealers either fall off or are not able/willing to sustain the mental and financial rigors of maintaining business--or of filing suit.

A good-sized Kentucky dealer said early in the game that major corporations not only have a cadre of legal personnel on retainer but are notorious for cluttering Joe Citizen's path with continuances and other courthouse manipulations that can delay actual proceedings from happening for years.

Sometimes decades.
Long enough that "all those launching the case died. That's one way to improve odds of winning," the Blue Grass State retailer said.

In addition, there's a significant risk of the two executive groups not winning if they go toe-to-toe with dealers in front of the scale-holding naked lady. Mid-January 2010 will be the two-year mark since the tractor assembler closed its doors, and left workers and dealers in the dark. It has been adequate time for buyers and sellers to communicate, and perform the forensics needed to substantiate their case.

One thing's for sure: I'm waiting for the court showdown to so acculumate, compile and scribe the final chapters of this story. It'd make my mother fu**ing day--and much, much longer--for a front row seat while FNA and TFC execs squirm in the chair during testimony,
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THOSE EXEC'S CAN TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH EVEN UNDER OATH!!!!!!
then deal with swift, severe meteing out of justice.

A double-starched shirt, tie and pants hang in the closet at the ready.
I'VE GOT A NEW T-SHIRT WITH A LOGO OF THE DIFFERENT FEDERAL POLICE AGENCIES ON IT ----(CIA,FBI,IRS,DEA,etc)AND A NEW PAIR OF LSU SHORTS!!!!! IF YOU NEED THEM---TO HECK WITH SUITS!!!!!

--b

I THINK TAX?---- HAS BEEN WHITTLING ON A BIG STICK OF WOOD IN HIS SPARETIME--RUMOR IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A LONG BASEBALL BAT----SO THAT HE CAN REACH OUT AND TOUCH!!!!!

 

[taxpayer]

No Red, not a long baseball bat, more like one of them irish things( a sheleila or something like that) down here in redneck land we call it a P*ss Elm club.
get more close up and personal that way.
sure quiet ain't it, the rats done hunkered down for a spell. no matter! we ain't going nowhere, we will still be here when they come up for air. WHAM!!
Taxpayer

 

[deutzman]

Does anyone know anything about vijay raina? Is he the cause of Farmtracs demise? Is deutz hurting because of him? how did he get his way to the top?

 

[taxpayer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by deutzman
{Do you know anything about Vijay Raina? Was he the problem behind farmtrac? how did he get to his postion? }

Vijay was not behind the fraud, in fact I believe his oposition to it was the reason for his leaving farmtrac.I do however believe Vijay had knowledge of what was going on and did nothing to alert dealers.

As far as Vijay's present position, he was instrumental in a deal being signed with SAME-Duetz FARR and FARMTRAC . this happened when he was CEO of Farmtrac. I'm sure that at that time, being a good businessman , Vijay cultivated some good contacts with SAME-Duetz and then when Farmtrac and he decided to part ways,he was able to move to SAME_DUETZ FARR.I hope this answers your question.

I surmise, from your Handle that you are possibly a DUETZ dealer.Am I correct?

Taxpayer

 

[berkbig2000]

I understand that there are a lot of troubles with the company but please tell me what the quality of the Farmtrac 675 DTC is.I am thinking about buying one and i know the warranty is not good but i am willing to gamble if the overall quality is good.They look alot like the Fords and i understand that some of the parts are the same but i have read some posts about many problems.

 

[Tim D]

I also have the 675 dtc. As far as I know, the only thing Ford on it is the hood. The engine is Perkins and complete drivetrain is Carraro. This tractor is not a Kubota but it works and it works good. Many of the controls such as the shuttle linkage are not real smooth, remote lever down a little far, and 3 point control sits low to. Otherwise I like it. Engine is fairly quiet, starts up in cold weather good, and is not hard on fuel. Front axle engages easily. 4 speed main transmission shifts as good as any manual transmission truck. The 3 speed range shifter is a little particular about staying in when shifted when you first change range speeds. 3 speed is worse if shifted at a standstill, better to be rolling just a little. Tractor is a feather for weight in rearend. I am going to add WW fluid this winter. Hydraulics are very suitable as far as lift capacity and speed. Only problem I have had was with a paint run under hydraulic filter that was introducing air to system. I have pulled a 7' chisel at10" deep, 12' disk, 9' hay mower conditioner, 4x5 baler, square baler with 8 bale accumulator and I like tractor on all of them. I have used loader to move quarry run, 20" and smaller, rock with no damage to loader. If rating the tractor from 1 to 10, I would have to give it an 8 to this point. I have less than 200 hrs. Time will tell.

 

[jubileejerry]

Sir:
The 675 has been in production for many years and as far as I know, it's still being produced in Europe. It was called a Farmtrac 80 at one time. It has a Perkins 1104C-44 engine, which is used in many applications here in the USA, so parts are available. For more information, check the Perkins website. The drivetrain is made by Carraro, based in Italy. They make drivetrains for many companies including John Deere. Efforts are under way right now to identify the components and establish alternate parts sources. Although I don't think anyone is stocking a large supply of parts for them here yet, they are available. Carraro has a large distributor here already. If you get a good deal on the tractor and have a dealer you can count on, buy it. If you're the kind of operator who doesn't take care of things and treats equipment roughly, leave it alone. Most of the problems we've seen on these have been operator related. If you don't fix leaks when they show up or don't tighten bolts that come loose, you can't complain when something breaks that shouldn't have and isn't quickly available. Overall, they're pretty nice tractors for the money, at least in my opinion. JS

 

[brilymu]

Clam bake postponed. Lack of interest by the host.

How great your info is!But Can you give some more sample questions and answers.I really want to get more info about this topicIt really useful for me. Thanks.

 

[blueliner]

Does anyone know anything about vijay raina? Is he the cause of Farmtracs demise? Is deutz hurting because of him? how did he get his way to the top?

Deutzman:

According to November court documents, Raina is one of 11 former Farmtrac employees named to a witness list in litigation between Textron Financial and one of the tractor company's past retailers.

Raina led the company during part of the period when Farmtrac and Textron conspired in falsification of inventory records, tractor loading and wire transfer embezzlement.

Whether he joined Farmtrac with the intent of illegal and malicious acts is unknown but too much happened during his tenure for Raina--then Farmtrac's top executive--not to be aware and complicit in actions that ended up bankrupting the company, defrauding creditors displacing a manufacturing staff of workers plus shafting customers and dealers of millions of dollars.

In due time, it will all come to light.

--b

 

[blueliner]

How great your info is!But Can you give some more sample questions and answers.I really want to get more info about this topicIt really useful for me. Thanks.

Brilymu:

Far as the comment originally posted by Dark Shadow, "Clam bake postponed. Lack of interest by the host"...

It means that Tex**** is trying to apply stall tactics after they realized they don't want any part of court proceedings with Farmtrac dealers.

The $13-plus billion financial firm applied its usual myriad of bullying and manipulation tactics, thinking former Farmtrac dealers could be intimidated and manipulated into simply rolling over, submitting and eventually death. All the while, TFC would continue to collect interest on the overinflated full cost listing on hundreds of Farmtrac tractors across the country.

With some dealers decimated and others crippled, a core group has risen up; a prepared, tough-minded, adamant group that TFC did not anticipate.

And wish they hadn't stirred up, either. Like "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler, hitting them has just "made me madder."

Court documents say issues regarding venue are on the docket now. After that is resolved, discovery of evidence and juror selection will take place if the complaint ends up a trial by jury.

Don't be surprised if opening arguments begin sometime in March 2010.

When the dust settles, the playground bully Tex**** could find itself on the short end of, in the words of the late Pat Tillman, "a good, swift aaaa** whipping."

Clam bake on!

--b

 

[redneckford]

darn can not seem to locate my lighter fluid and matches!!!!!!!!!------any whittling wood left----bet we can start a large fire down here with all those shreaded documents!!!!!----AND INTEREST INVOICES!!!

 

[EFC]

Deutzman:

According to November court documents, Raina is one of 11 former Farmtrac employees named to a witness list in litigation between Textron Financial and one of the tractor company's past retailers.

Raina led the company during part of the period when Farmtrac and Textron conspired in falsification of inventory records, tractor loading and wire transfer embezzlement.

Whether he joined Farmtrac with the intent of illegal and malicious acts is unknown but too much happened during his tenure for Raina--then Farmtrac's top executive--not to be aware and complicit in actions that ended up bankrupting the company, defrauding creditors displacing a manufacturing staff of workers plus shafting customers and dealers of millions of dollars.

In due time, it will all come to light.

--b

We had to drop Deutz-Fahr specifically because of Vijay when we saw the same tactics being used that he had used at Farmtrac. Never come due terms, loading, "staging" then adding to the dealers flooring, shipping tractors configured different than the brochures, broken, rusty, not running, putting tractors on flooring but not shipping them to dealers, ect ect. Nothing happens at Deutz that isn稚 approved by Vijay he is the micromanager of the millennium and I am sure it was no different at FarmTrac. He knew exactly what he was doing then and he is doing it all over again right now.