FarmTrac Troubles

[blueliner]

Hello, all!

Here is a brief about how Montana Tractor has announced a move to Tarboro. Below is the article in its entirety.

Montana Tractors moving to Tarboro
W. TERRY SMITH, EDITOR

Montana Tractors is moving its operations from Arkansas to Tarboro.

Tony Pearce of Montana and Oppie Jordan of Carolinas Gateway Partnership made the announcement at the Tarboro Town Council meeting Monday night.

Montana's plan to move all production, service, part and logistical assets to Tarboro no later than July 30, stated Ted Wade, vice chairman and co-owner, in a news release.

Wade said Montana, which closed on the acquisition of Farmtrac North America assets Dec. 1, has been conducting "an extensive analysis on the capacity of the assets we purchased.

"As a result we have identified a tremendous amount of efficiencies we can realize through a consolidation of operations in Springdale, Ark., to our newly acquired facilities in Tarboro."

The move will mean new jobs in Tarboro, eventually.

Some employees will be offered the opportunity to relocate.

Pearce, director of operations and a former Farmtrac employee, said the company on Main Street currently had 16 to 18 full-time and contract employees and planned to hire more this month.

"After that, he said, we'll let the demand determine how many more people we add."

The company will assemble tractors and continue producing front-end loaders and backhoes.

The timeline for moving essential, administrative staff, accounting personnel and sales support from Springdale "is situational dependent at this point," Wade said.

Carolinas Gateway Partnership, the economic development agency for Tarboro, Rocky Mount, Nashville, Edgecombe and Nash counties, has applied for a $485,000 Building and Reuse Grant from the state Carolina Rural Economic Development Center.

 

[redneckford]

any news on the clam bake in Rhode island----heard about all kind of new info about textron business activities----have they settled with those dealers yet????---seems like now is the time---sure will save them alot of money now!!!!

 

[redneckford]

any news on the clam bake in Rhode island----heard about all kind of new info about textron business activities----have they settled with those dealers yet????---seems like now is the time---sure will save them alot of money now!!!!

heard about some out of court settelments-----(coverups)?????????something about see no evil hear no evil----and you don't repete it to no one!!!!-----confidental??????

 

[landdog49]

What is the best cash price for a Farmtrac 360DTC with FEL that you have seen? If the price is right i am a buyer.

 

[Tim C.]

Bud, I am unable to reply to your PM.

I can read, but not reply. So PM your location and I will try to hook you up with a dealer in that area.

Tim

 

[redneckford]

I like my pork WELL DONE!!!!!!!on both sides----so keep COOK----E-----N!!!!!

 

[California]

How about a translation of that from sekrit code?

Is anything really going on?

 

[redneckford]

you will have to find the leaks on your own----too many confidentiality agreements are being signed when Textron settles with the dealers----hear and see no evil----stuff happens----who would leak that info????--- Rhode Island's pace is a good place to start-----all the legal docs---but it can get expensive----them dogs sure are getting loud------ I don't think the dealers are the ones having a GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!!!!

How about a translation of that from sekrit code?

Is anything really going on?

 

[redneckford]

any new court cases in RI-----how many of the nine have been settled out of court----when will the court in NC decide who gets the $11.2 million-----reread the court transcripts from Feb-----are those 30+ year employees that testified now working for Montana---or LS-----????? can someone post a link to a copy of that transcript----a friend of a friend of an enemy sent me the e-mail transcript but i can't get it to link---- DON'T HAVE FRONT PAGE TO PUT IT ON THE WEB(just thinking!)-------pdf file 213 pages----good reading messick!!!!----no smoke and mirrors just all truth under oath----some of my friends need to read that transcript----wonder how the guy running Deutz likes what was said about him?????? Does Bill Scott still work for Textron special brands???????----or did they have a GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!!!!!------ ----wonder who all lied to LS while all this was going own------alot of questions and even fewer answers! pm for an e-mail copy!!!

 

[redneckford]

who would have thought??????

Escorts to Merge U.S. Subsidiary With Itself
Mumbai, India Agri machinery products maker Escorts Ltd. says it will merge its U.S.-based, wholly-owned subsidiary firm, Escorts AgriMachinery Inc., with itself.

The board of directors approved the merger, a move that would result in restructuring the overseas operations as EAMI, which holds 100% stake in Farmtrac Tractors Poland, 78.25% in Beaver Creeks Holdings, USA and 49% in Farmtrac North America, USA, the company said in a filing to the Bombay Stock Exchange.

The amalgamation, which is subject to requisite approvals, would also result in reduction in administrative costs and increase in operational efficiency, since unnecessary entities would be removed.

The appointed date of the proposed merger is April 1, 2009 and all assets and liabilities of the EAMI would become the assets and liabilities of Escorts with effect from the appointed date.

Source: PTI

someone has some insider information that they are not telling the general tractoring public-----we will find out------going to help pick out some new boats-----BOATRIDE!!!!!!

that must include the polish operations too!!!
no smoking gun----just cannon fire-----

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Still trying to figure out where LS fit's into all of this , are they soon to be open for business or not? Will their tractors wear the LS brand or maybe Montana brand ? or maybe Montana Limited brand? Somebody tell us something. Thank's.

 

[taxpayer]

Still trying to figure out where LS fit's into all of this , are they soon to be open for business or not? Will their tractors wear the LS brand or maybe Montana brand ? or maybe Montana Limited brand? Somebody tell us something. Thank's.

Well Lineman, That seems to be the 64 thousand dollar question at this point, Even potential dealers are having a hard time getting a firm timeline from LS and Montana is fading fast in my crystal ball, don't see much future unless Teddy can pull a rabbit out of the Big T hat(or maybe an indian??)and it look like punjab might be pulling back into his shell and hunkering down for a while.
Wow, and these irate former farmtrac dealers! wonder what they'll stir up next??? stay tuned for the next chapter of "HOW THE TRACTOR WORLD TURNS".

Taxpayer

 

[NewToy]

I'll bet Bernie Madoff is glad you guy's aren't after him. Tenacious bunch, these slighted tractor folk.

John

 

[jimdiesel1]

Well, 15 days have passed, are we any closer to learning the real truth yet? Lots of "coded" messages but so little to hang my hat on. C'mon guys, we are behind you 100% in this battle but it is easier to "soldier on" when you know the facts.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Well Lineman, That seems to be the 64 thousand dollar question at this point, Even potential dealers are having a hard time getting a firm timeline from LS and Montana is fading fast in my crystal ball, don't see much future unless Teddy can pull a rabbit out of the Big T hat(or maybe an indian??)and it look like punjab might be pulling back into his shell and hunkering down for a while.
Wow, and these irate former farmtrac dealers! wonder what they'll stir up next??? stay tuned for the next chapter of "HOW THE TRACTOR WORLD TURNS".

Taxpayer

Taxpayer I have been tuned in waiting for the next chapter, but this thread has all but shut down I am not a dealer just a FT owner trying to keep up with where all this is going.

 

[taxpayer]

Taxpayer I have been tuned in waiting for the next chapter, but this thread has all but shut down I am not a dealer just a FT owner trying to keep up with where all this is going.

Lineman, there are no clear answers right now,escorts is keeping a low profile right now ,but I don't anticipate a problem getting parts over the long haul(too much money to be made)LS should be on the scene shortly,They are just a bit too optimistic about timelines, taking more time than they thought it would.

The court cases involving Textron VS farmtrac dealers will also take time, but will be very revealing as to the scope of fraud and misdealing by escorts, farmtrac and Textron against it's dealers.Hopefully the fact of just how dedicated farmtrac dealers have been in protecting their customers, often paying out of their own pockets to keep the tractors repaired and working for the customer will also come to light.I have never,in all my 66 years met a more dedicated and honest group of people than the former farmtrac dealers.they have worked long and hard behind the scenes to uncover the facts and try to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again against dealers of any brand.and other brand dealers would be well advised to take note and support former farmtrac dealers in this endeavor, it could be their brand next, nothing is a sure thing in these times.

I would not worry too much though, for the most part dealers and most everyone associated with the farming industry are a tough, honest bunch and will do everything they can to take care of their customers.we'll get it done somehow.


Taxpayer

 

[taxpayer]

ran across a SEC litigation release dated dec 22,2008, it seems Fiat/Case -New Holland Global got caught paying ****** Hussien's agents kickbacks in the Oil For Food scheme. Yes the same thing that Textron was involved in.so the big T is not the only one with dirty little secrets. it just proves that these guys will do anything for money, even if it hurts their country or their dealers.so dealers of all brands best be aware that when things get tight for these guys, you are expendable in their veiw,they will hang you out to dry.
once they get you to trust their word and sign on the dotted line, they have you where they want you.you in effect become their customer, you have bought yourself some tractors and if you are unable to sell them, well thats too bad, maybe you can take up farming or grass cutting, but you can bet they expect YOU to pay the bill and will go to any lengths to see that you do.

The big companies are able to do this ONLY because so many dealers refuse to join together and demand a level playing field.they will tell you they have the right to do this because they are putting up all the money. I say that your facilities and your customer base that you have taken years to develope is more than your fair share of the pot. Things are just too unstable in this world now for dealers to be taking all the risk .Dealers of all brands need to start talking to each other about the issues we all have to contend with.

Taxpayer

 

[redneckford]

ran across a SEC litigation release dated dec 22,2008, it seems Fiat/Case -New Holland Global got caught paying ****** Hussien's agents kickbacks in the Oil For Food scheme. Yes the same thing that Textron was involved in.so the big T is not the only one with dirty little secrets. it just proves that these guys will do anything for money, even if it hurts their country or their dealers.so dealers of all brands best be aware that when things get tight for these guys, you are expendable in their view,they will hang you out to dry.
once they get you to trust their word and sign on the dotted line, they have you where they want you.you in effect become their customer, you have bought yourself some tractors and if you are unable to sell them, well thats too bad, maybe you can take up farming or grass cutting, but you can bet they expect YOU to pay the bill and will go to any lengths to see that you do.

The big companies are able to do this ONLY because so many dealers refuse to join together and demand a level playing field.they will tell you they have the right to do this because they are putting up all the money. I say that your facilities and your customer base that you have taken years to develop is more than your fair share of the pot. Things are just too unstable in this world now for dealers to be taking all the risk .Dealers of all brands need to start talking to each other about the issues we all have to contend with.

Taxpayer

OH!!!!! REALLY!!!!----Who would have thunk!!!!----them s-unks!!!!! WHAT IS F----I---V---E BILLION AMONG FRIENDS---- ANYONE driving those new FIAT CARS yet?????

 

[blueliner]

I ran across a SEC litigation release dated dec 22,2008 where Fiat/Case-New Holland Global got caught paying ****** Hussien's agents kickbacks in the Oil For Food scheme. Yes the same thing that Textron was involved in.so the big T is not the only one with dirty little secrets. it just proves that these guys will do anything for money, even if it hurts their country or their dealers.so dealers of all brands best be aware that when things get tight for these guys, you are expendable in their veiw,they will hang you out to dry.
once they get you to trust their word and sign on the dotted line, they have you where they want you.you in effect become their customer, you have bought yourself some tractors and if you are unable to sell them, well thats too bad, maybe you can take up farming or grass cutting, but you can bet they expect YOU to pay the bill and will go to any lengths to see that you do.

The big companies are able to do this ONLY because so many dealers refuse to join together and demand a level playing field.they will tell you they have the right to do this because they are putting up all the money. I say that your facilities and your customer base that you have taken years to develope is more than your fair share of the pot. Things are just too unstable in this world now for dealers to be taking all the risk .Dealers of all brands need to start talking to each other about the issues we all have to contend with.

Taxpayer

Hey Taxpayer et al,

Greetings, all!
Like Freddy Krueger ... I am baaaaack!
[Yes, evildoers... Su*ks for you.]

I've missed everyone tremendously.

Tax:
Is this the article you're referring to?

Fiat, eh? Aren't they the same guys that Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli is trying to convince a New York bankruptcy court offer the ramshackled Detroit auto firm its best hopes for a turnaround?

Sounds like another green handshake(s) deal -- none of which goes to [or helps] Joe working citizen.

Yes, RNF... what's a swanny dive into a few Dempsey dumpsters full of Benjamins among a few mutual crooks, errrrrrrr friends.

***
Retailers, the Tax-man is dead on: United you'll stand but divided you're certain to fall. It is IMPERATIVE that Retailers unite and denounce the heaping of inequitable risk the one-sided contracts of financial firms and manufacturers.

The contracts I've read in court documents seem to read like this: all the risk, blood, sweat and tears for the dealers ... then the financiers and manufacturers run behind and scoop up the bulk of the cash -- and dealers are supposed to *feel ingratiated* for their opportunity to *maybe* get a comparative few crumbs at the end [if all goes well].

Riddle me this:
-- Without Dealerships, how would manufacturers sell their items to the general public?
-- Where would Joe Citizen the Customer learn about what product(s) she/he needs, get a "custom fit" of those and a test drive? Certainly not on the Internet!
-- Where would Joe Citizen the Customer have their product serviced/maintenance and related parts?
-- Who insures them?
-- Who cleans and gases 'em up?

Answer:
Your Dealership.

The Farmtrac dealers I've spoken have tremendous integrity; they care about their Customers needs, take ferocious pride serving them well and in maintaining their shop's good name.

FNA dealers across the country have eaten hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of dollars in parts and labor costs to meet Customer needs, even after FNA headquarters, Escorts and LS Cable bailed. And although Escorts failed on its 2008 promise for parts and LS had failed on its early 2009 promise to return to covering some units -- as promised in dealer recruitment meetings -- retailers continue to hold up their end.

And they should be properly compensated for it; now and in the future.

Dealer solidarity that requires manufacturers and financiers to equitably distribute risk and compensation is critical to dealer's survival.

One would hope the devestation caused by the wretched actions of FNA and TEXT*ON FINANCIAL plus their lopsided contracts would be enough to motivate Dealers to...
- unite,
- and don't get fooled again.

Regards,
--b

 

[taxpayer]

Hey Blueliner! great to see you posting again and yes, you have the right article. kinda makes one wonder if there is any honest companies to deal with anymore.seems like sucess is measured in how many bucks you can screw the unsuspecting public out of in this day and time.

there are so many rumors out there now, no one knows what or who to believe. I've heard tales of Montana-Escorts, LS-Escorts, LS-Montana deals being in the works with a mixture of Textron and GE stirred in. it's ALL about money and the Small dealer and the customer be dammed.They will tell the dealer whatever it takes to get his or her signature on the dotted line. but when you start asking questions like" will you agree to abide by state buy-back laws" or carry in house floorplanning, they get hard of hearing and quick to go.

How can GE, Textron or any company give me any assurances of being a solid
business while standing in line at the white house with their hat in hand, begging for a taxpayer handout. and how can any Korean or Japanese company promise to supply tractors and parts on an extended basis, when they have a bonafide mental case sighting in on them with nukes right now.
if these jokers are so sure of themselves and everything will be hunky dory, then put the darn tractors on the dealers lot on consignment, don't ask the dealer who has already lost their shirt over this mess, to shoulder ALL the risk again.NOT THIS LOUISIANA BOY!!!

Taxpayer