FarmTrac Troubles

[Lineman North Florida]

Still trying to figure out where LS fit's into all of this , are they soon to be open for business or not? Will their tractors wear the LS brand or maybe Montana brand ? or maybe Montana Limited brand? Somebody tell us something. Thank's.

 

[taxpayer]

Still trying to figure out where LS fit's into all of this , are they soon to be open for business or not? Will their tractors wear the LS brand or maybe Montana brand ? or maybe Montana Limited brand? Somebody tell us something. Thank's.

Well Lineman, That seems to be the 64 thousand dollar question at this point, Even potential dealers are having a hard time getting a firm timeline from LS and Montana is fading fast in my crystal ball, don't see much future unless Teddy can pull a rabbit out of the Big T hat(or maybe an indian??)and it look like punjab might be pulling back into his shell and hunkering down for a while.
Wow, and these irate former farmtrac dealers! wonder what they'll stir up next??? stay tuned for the next chapter of "HOW THE TRACTOR WORLD TURNS".

Taxpayer

 

[NewToy]

I'll bet Bernie Madoff is glad you guy's aren't after him. Tenacious bunch, these slighted tractor folk.

John

 

[jimdiesel1]

Well, 15 days have passed, are we any closer to learning the real truth yet? Lots of "coded" messages but so little to hang my hat on. C'mon guys, we are behind you 100% in this battle but it is easier to "soldier on" when you know the facts.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Well Lineman, That seems to be the 64 thousand dollar question at this point, Even potential dealers are having a hard time getting a firm timeline from LS and Montana is fading fast in my crystal ball, don't see much future unless Teddy can pull a rabbit out of the Big T hat(or maybe an indian??)and it look like punjab might be pulling back into his shell and hunkering down for a while.
Wow, and these irate former farmtrac dealers! wonder what they'll stir up next??? stay tuned for the next chapter of "HOW THE TRACTOR WORLD TURNS".

Taxpayer

Taxpayer I have been tuned in waiting for the next chapter, but this thread has all but shut down I am not a dealer just a FT owner trying to keep up with where all this is going.

 

[taxpayer]

Taxpayer I have been tuned in waiting for the next chapter, but this thread has all but shut down I am not a dealer just a FT owner trying to keep up with where all this is going.

Lineman, there are no clear answers right now,escorts is keeping a low profile right now ,but I don't anticipate a problem getting parts over the long haul(too much money to be made)LS should be on the scene shortly,They are just a bit too optimistic about timelines, taking more time than they thought it would.

The court cases involving Textron VS farmtrac dealers will also take time, but will be very revealing as to the scope of fraud and misdealing by escorts, farmtrac and Textron against it's dealers.Hopefully the fact of just how dedicated farmtrac dealers have been in protecting their customers, often paying out of their own pockets to keep the tractors repaired and working for the customer will also come to light.I have never,in all my 66 years met a more dedicated and honest group of people than the former farmtrac dealers.they have worked long and hard behind the scenes to uncover the facts and try to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again against dealers of any brand.and other brand dealers would be well advised to take note and support former farmtrac dealers in this endeavor, it could be their brand next, nothing is a sure thing in these times.

I would not worry too much though, for the most part dealers and most everyone associated with the farming industry are a tough, honest bunch and will do everything they can to take care of their customers.we'll get it done somehow.


Taxpayer

 

[taxpayer]

ran across a SEC litigation release dated dec 22,2008, it seems Fiat/Case -New Holland Global got caught paying ****** Hussien's agents kickbacks in the Oil For Food scheme. Yes the same thing that Textron was involved in.so the big T is not the only one with dirty little secrets. it just proves that these guys will do anything for money, even if it hurts their country or their dealers.so dealers of all brands best be aware that when things get tight for these guys, you are expendable in their veiw,they will hang you out to dry.
once they get you to trust their word and sign on the dotted line, they have you where they want you.you in effect become their customer, you have bought yourself some tractors and if you are unable to sell them, well thats too bad, maybe you can take up farming or grass cutting, but you can bet they expect YOU to pay the bill and will go to any lengths to see that you do.

The big companies are able to do this ONLY because so many dealers refuse to join together and demand a level playing field.they will tell you they have the right to do this because they are putting up all the money. I say that your facilities and your customer base that you have taken years to develope is more than your fair share of the pot. Things are just too unstable in this world now for dealers to be taking all the risk .Dealers of all brands need to start talking to each other about the issues we all have to contend with.

Taxpayer

 

[redneckford]

ran across a SEC litigation release dated dec 22,2008, it seems Fiat/Case -New Holland Global got caught paying ****** Hussien's agents kickbacks in the Oil For Food scheme. Yes the same thing that Textron was involved in.so the big T is not the only one with dirty little secrets. it just proves that these guys will do anything for money, even if it hurts their country or their dealers.so dealers of all brands best be aware that when things get tight for these guys, you are expendable in their view,they will hang you out to dry.
once they get you to trust their word and sign on the dotted line, they have you where they want you.you in effect become their customer, you have bought yourself some tractors and if you are unable to sell them, well thats too bad, maybe you can take up farming or grass cutting, but you can bet they expect YOU to pay the bill and will go to any lengths to see that you do.

The big companies are able to do this ONLY because so many dealers refuse to join together and demand a level playing field.they will tell you they have the right to do this because they are putting up all the money. I say that your facilities and your customer base that you have taken years to develop is more than your fair share of the pot. Things are just too unstable in this world now for dealers to be taking all the risk .Dealers of all brands need to start talking to each other about the issues we all have to contend with.

Taxpayer

OH!!!!! REALLY!!!!----Who would have thunk!!!!----them s-unks!!!!! WHAT IS F----I---V---E BILLION AMONG FRIENDS---- ANYONE driving those new FIAT CARS yet?????

 

[blueliner]

I ran across a SEC litigation release dated dec 22,2008 where Fiat/Case-New Holland Global got caught paying ****** Hussien's agents kickbacks in the Oil For Food scheme. Yes the same thing that Textron was involved in.so the big T is not the only one with dirty little secrets. it just proves that these guys will do anything for money, even if it hurts their country or their dealers.so dealers of all brands best be aware that when things get tight for these guys, you are expendable in their veiw,they will hang you out to dry.
once they get you to trust their word and sign on the dotted line, they have you where they want you.you in effect become their customer, you have bought yourself some tractors and if you are unable to sell them, well thats too bad, maybe you can take up farming or grass cutting, but you can bet they expect YOU to pay the bill and will go to any lengths to see that you do.

The big companies are able to do this ONLY because so many dealers refuse to join together and demand a level playing field.they will tell you they have the right to do this because they are putting up all the money. I say that your facilities and your customer base that you have taken years to develope is more than your fair share of the pot. Things are just too unstable in this world now for dealers to be taking all the risk .Dealers of all brands need to start talking to each other about the issues we all have to contend with.

Taxpayer

Hey Taxpayer et al,

Greetings, all!
Like Freddy Krueger ... I am baaaaack!
[Yes, evildoers... Su*ks for you.]

I've missed everyone tremendously.

Tax:
Is this the article you're referring to?

Fiat, eh? Aren't they the same guys that Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli is trying to convince a New York bankruptcy court offer the ramshackled Detroit auto firm its best hopes for a turnaround?

Sounds like another green handshake(s) deal -- none of which goes to [or helps] Joe working citizen.

Yes, RNF... what's a swanny dive into a few Dempsey dumpsters full of Benjamins among a few mutual crooks, errrrrrrr friends.

***
Retailers, the Tax-man is dead on: United you'll stand but divided you're certain to fall. It is IMPERATIVE that Retailers unite and denounce the heaping of inequitable risk the one-sided contracts of financial firms and manufacturers.

The contracts I've read in court documents seem to read like this: all the risk, blood, sweat and tears for the dealers ... then the financiers and manufacturers run behind and scoop up the bulk of the cash -- and dealers are supposed to *feel ingratiated* for their opportunity to *maybe* get a comparative few crumbs at the end [if all goes well].

Riddle me this:
-- Without Dealerships, how would manufacturers sell their items to the general public?
-- Where would Joe Citizen the Customer learn about what product(s) she/he needs, get a "custom fit" of those and a test drive? Certainly not on the Internet!
-- Where would Joe Citizen the Customer have their product serviced/maintenance and related parts?
-- Who insures them?
-- Who cleans and gases 'em up?

Answer:
Your Dealership.

The Farmtrac dealers I've spoken have tremendous integrity; they care about their Customers needs, take ferocious pride serving them well and in maintaining their shop's good name.

FNA dealers across the country have eaten hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of dollars in parts and labor costs to meet Customer needs, even after FNA headquarters, Escorts and LS Cable bailed. And although Escorts failed on its 2008 promise for parts and LS had failed on its early 2009 promise to return to covering some units -- as promised in dealer recruitment meetings -- retailers continue to hold up their end.

And they should be properly compensated for it; now and in the future.

Dealer solidarity that requires manufacturers and financiers to equitably distribute risk and compensation is critical to dealer's survival.

One would hope the devestation caused by the wretched actions of FNA and TEXT*ON FINANCIAL plus their lopsided contracts would be enough to motivate Dealers to...
- unite,
- and don't get fooled again.

Regards,
--b

 

[taxpayer]

Hey Blueliner! great to see you posting again and yes, you have the right article. kinda makes one wonder if there is any honest companies to deal with anymore.seems like sucess is measured in how many bucks you can screw the unsuspecting public out of in this day and time.

there are so many rumors out there now, no one knows what or who to believe. I've heard tales of Montana-Escorts, LS-Escorts, LS-Montana deals being in the works with a mixture of Textron and GE stirred in. it's ALL about money and the Small dealer and the customer be dammed.They will tell the dealer whatever it takes to get his or her signature on the dotted line. but when you start asking questions like" will you agree to abide by state buy-back laws" or carry in house floorplanning, they get hard of hearing and quick to go.

How can GE, Textron or any company give me any assurances of being a solid
business while standing in line at the white house with their hat in hand, begging for a taxpayer handout. and how can any Korean or Japanese company promise to supply tractors and parts on an extended basis, when they have a bonafide mental case sighting in on them with nukes right now.
if these jokers are so sure of themselves and everything will be hunky dory, then put the darn tractors on the dealers lot on consignment, don't ask the dealer who has already lost their shirt over this mess, to shoulder ALL the risk again.NOT THIS LOUISIANA BOY!!!

Taxpayer