EdenPURE Infra Red Heating System

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I have seen this product advertised in the local paper and got a flyer for it recently. Is it as good as claimed? Actually doesn anyone here have one, and what do you think.
 
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smfcpacfp said:
I have seen this product advertised in the local paper and got a flyer for it recently. Is it as good as claimed? Actually doesn anyone here have one, and what do you think.

I have seen possibly the same advertisements and I don't think that it would be any more efficient than straight electrical heat. Circulation seems to be by convection so not as easy to direct. No multiplier like a heat pump.

Vernon
 
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We heat with a forced air- wood heat furnace and the back bedrooms are much cooler than the rest of the house. I bought the wife one of the EdenPure heaters off of Ebay that was refurbished. I think it was $330 (or around there anyway.) She swears by it and thinks it's great. Doesn't seem to raise the electric bill much either. It came with a remote and it radiates heat very well.
 
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I agree with Vernon. If it plugs into the wall, it won't be rated over about 1500 watts. It won't put out any more heat than a $30 heater from wallyworld. It might look pretty, tho.
 
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reb said:
"wallyworld"
I've been using that one forever, I did not know it was catching on.

I agree 1500 watts of electric is going to produce (x) number of btu's.
Being apparently it is an infrared heater it would have the ability to make you "feel" warmer, if you were in front of it, even though the air in the room is cooler.
They sell infrared heaters around $40-50 at "Wallyworld" and "Home' Depot".
 
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Overpriced is a relative term, my guess is they are. However, I am sure there are people who don't think they are, at least not enough to get people to stop buying them.
Kinda like those $50k-70k Pickup Trucks, I know there over priced, However, I am sure there are people who don't think they are, at least not enough to get people to stop buying them.
 
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smfcpacfp said:
I have seen this product advertised in the local paper and got a flyer for it recently. Is it as good as claimed? Actually doesn anyone here have one, and what do you think.

I own one. Unfortunately it is overpriced and overated. Save yourself some money and go to Wallyworld.
 
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Yep, electric heat to BTU is only going to be so efficient. The IR radiant heaters get better reviews because they heat other items in the room directly thru IR radiation. Walked by one in Cosco a few days ago and could feel the radiation on my skin at least 15' away. Ultimately the items heated by this radiation, thru the increase in surface area, still heat the air in the room thru conduction. The warmed air moves the heat predominantly upward in the room, thru convection, to the ceiling where it is conducted to the attic, resisted by the "R" value of the insulation. Because of this delay though, the heat stays lower in the room longer. If your toes are warm, the rest of you will be too:) Most of the IR heaters you see in shops and wharehouse installations point at the floor. This heats the floor, which slowly warms the room from bottom to top.

Based on this heat cycle, probably the best bang for your buck in electric heat(provided you have good floor insulation) are probably going to be floor radiant heating mats. Some lay down like throw rugs on top of existing carpet or floors, and some go down in between carpet and pad. This provides a low heat across a large area low down in the room. And will have the same effect as in-floor radiant heat systems that are so well liked and efficient...
 
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RonMar said:
Most of the IR heaters you see in shops and wharehouse installations point at the floor. This heats the floor, which slowly warms the room from bottom to top.

The tubular heaters are not pointed towards the floor for the primary purpose of heating the floor, but that you will maximize the radiant heat from the heaters overhead. Depending on the BTU size of tubular heater, you would be surprised at the lack of "throw" of heat (perpendicular) from a radiant tubular heater (most heat comes from the gas box on the tube heater and lessens as you go down the tube). Where you save on energy is by "spot heating", not needing the complete load for heating the entire area. Heat from the floor is minimal that was heated by infared heat. The advantage to a shop application for a tube heater is when the people are staying in one spot, usually under a tube heater.

There is a difference in "throw" of heat from the floor from a tube heater vrs infloor radiant.
 
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Sigarms, I have to say that a lot of what you say about tube heaters, is contrary to all the literature I have read, all my discussions with the sales people I have bought them from, and all the considerable experience I have had using them in the 4100 sq ft shop I built 25 years ago, and several other buildings I have worked in and installed them in.
I do not want to have a running argument over this so, I will state my case, and if you interested enough to check with Sun Tube or CoRayVac, etc, I am confident they will be willing to back up the statements I am going to make, If you do not agree, no problem, I will agree to disagree.:)
Tube heaters heat with radiant heat, exactly like the sun does. The burner, or burners mix air with the combustion gases from the burner and exhost the gas on the end of the tube opposite the burner. As the heat radiates from the tube it starts out hottest at the burner and cools sometimes substantially if the run is long enough. But, if the system is designed properly and working properly, heat will radiate the entire length of the tube. Radiant heat does not heat air directly. It heats objects, then, as the heat dissipates from those objects it warms the air. This is why they say the floor is an important part of the heater, the heat radiates, with the help of the reflectors above the tube and warms the objects in the building, the biggest thing being the floor, it is the main object. This is not to say the floor gets hot, but it does absorb, and radiate heat. Homes are being built with the same concept, where the sun porch has a stone or brick floor to absorb the heat from the sun during the day and radiate it back into the room at night. The tube heater will also warm cars, airplanes, etc. anything that absorbs heat fast like people or sheet metal will feel it first. We felt warm, even though the air temperature was only 62 degrees F. This is one of the ways it saves you money, you feel warm because of the radiational effect even though the air temp is cool, so you can keep the thermostat set lower. The other way it saves you money is if you have to open overhead doors in cold weather, like a repair shop. Open the door of a gas station bay in the winter with regular forced air heat, and in 30 seconds most or all of the heat in the shop is lost. With a tube system because of the radiant effects, the air is not the primary source of heat, the objects in the building, the floor the cars etc, are. So, opening the door, even for a few minutes, does not remove all the heat from these objects. That means your recovery from having the door is much faster because all these objects are radiating heat back into the air. And then, the temperature returns to the 62 degrees or so you may have had it set at, rather than the 70 or 72 you would have had to be comfortable with forced air your saving money again.
I know there are systems installed out there that do not work like this, systems that were not installed properly, are not sized properly, or maintained properly, or as I have seen sometimes just junk. This often causes a lot of confusion about these systems. If your shop was only comfortable under the burners or in "spots" then it certainly did not work as well as it could have. A properly designed and installed system will be warmer directly under the tubes, but, it should be comfortable in the entire building. Although sometimes they are used to only heat a small part of a large building, this is not a very good way to use them. The heaters will always be at a disadvantage.
I have had may conversations with people who have decided these systems are no good based on a system or systems they have had a negative experience with. Then it becomes very difficult to convince them otherwise. One example was a series of airplane hangars, each had 4 tubes in them and though they were big enough they never were able to warm the hangars much when it was cold.
We replaced 2 of the heaters with Sun Tubes of the same size, and they produced so much heat they drove you out of there. All the other heaters soon were replaced.
There is no doubt that I like a forced air system for all out comfort. But, If you want to warm up a shop fast and economically there is no doubt a tube system is the way to go.
When I finish the new Garagemahol it will have both.:rolleyes:
 
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ray66v said:
Sigarms, I have to say that a lot of what you say about tube heaters, is contrary to all the literature I have read, all my discussions with the sales people I have bought them from, and all the considerable experience I have had using them in the 4100 sq ft shop I built 25 years ago, and several other buildings I have worked in and installed them in.
I do not want to have a running argument over this so, I will state my case, and if you interested enough to check with Sun Tube or CoRayVac, etc, I am confident they will be willing to back up the statements I am going to make, If you do not agree, no problem, I will agree to disagree.:)
Tube heaters heat with radiant heat, exactly like the sun does. The burner, or burners mix air with the combustion gases from the burner and exhost the gas on the end of the tube opposite the burner. As the heat radiates from the tube it starts out hottest at the burner and cools sometimes substantially if the run is long enough. But, if the system is designed properly and working properly, heat will radiate the entire length of the tube. Radiant heat does not heat air directly. It heats objects, then, as the heat dissipates from those objects it warms the air. This is why they say the floor is an important part of the heater, the heat radiates, with the help of the reflectors above the tube and warms the objects in the building, the biggest thing being the floor, it is the main object. This is not to say the floor gets hot, but it does absorb, and radiate heat. Homes are being built with the same concept, where the sun porch has a stone or brick floor to absorb the heat from the sun during the day and radiate it back into the room at night. The tube heater will also warm cars, airplanes, etc. anything that absorbs heat fast like people or sheet metal will feel it first. We felt warm, even though the air temperature was only 62 degrees F. This is one of the ways it saves you money, you feel warm because of the radiational effect even though the air temp is cool, so you can keep the thermostat set lower. The other way it saves you money is if you have to open overhead doors in cold weather, like a repair shop. Open the door of a gas station bay in the winter with regular forced air heat, and in 30 seconds most or all of the heat in the shop is lost. With a tube system because of the radiant effects, the air is not the primary source of heat, the objects in the building, the floor the cars etc, are. So, opening the door, even for a few minutes, does not remove all the heat from these objects. That means your recovery from having the door is much faster because all these objects are radiating heat back into the air. And then, the temperature returns to the 62 degrees or so you may have had it set at, rather than the 70 or 72 you would have had to be comfortable with forced air your saving money again.
I know there are systems installed out there that do not work like this, systems that were not installed properly, are not sized properly, or maintained properly, or as I have seen sometimes just junk. This often causes a lot of confusion about these systems. If your shop was only comfortable under the burners or in "spots" then it certainly did not work as well as it should have. A properly designed and installed system will be warmer directly under the tubes, but, it should be comfortable in the entire building. I have had may conversations with people who have decided these systems are no good based on a system or systems they have had a negative experience with. Then it becomes very difficult to convince them otherwise. One example was a series of airplane hangars, each had 4 tubes in them and though they were big enough they never were able to warm the hangars much when it was cold.
We replaced 2 of the heaters with Sun Tubes of the same size, and they produced so much heat they drove you out of there. All the other heaters soon were replaced.
There is no doubt that I like a forced air system for all out comfort. But, If you want to warm up a shop fast and economically there is no doubt a tube system is the way to go.
When I finish the new Garagemahol it will have both.:rolleyes:

We don't disagree that much. I mentioned "spot heating" due to the upfront cost involved.

Want to spend the money to heat an entire warehouse with tube heaters, it can be done with no problem.

Layout of the building, as well as placement of the people and machinery is a variable that needs to be considered as well. Just walked away from a job per TWO engineering department's reccomendation (one company that you mentioned) due to the vehicles and machinery involved inside of the warehouse). I always CMA with the engineering department:D

I also do some national chains that I'm sure you heard of with Tube heaters, so I know they work, and I still have the account, so I know they're happy with them.

My only point is that they are not the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I will however talk with the engineering department tommorow and let you know if I'm wrong (I never trust salespeople for engineering answers).
 
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The fact that you were more used to seeing them used for spot heating, occurred to me after I originally wrote my message.
Spot heating is not the best way to use these heaters, they are at a disadvantage and never get a chance to really operate efficiently.
When it is all done right, it really is the best thing since sliced bread. The Gas Co. kept changing our meter, because they did not believe our gas bills! :D
 
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Fantastic! It's Veterans Day and we have the resurrection of an EdenPure thread. EdenPure is endorsed (for a price) by Paul Harvey, who was, according to Wikipedia, given a section 8 discharge for stealing an airplane during his very brief military service.

All of these wondrous heaters that are endorsed by certain celebrities (always for a price) and are featured in multi-page ads, usually in the Sunday paper, are sold using the PT Barnum dictum, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Here's how it works:

1. Plug in household heaters are limited to 1,500 watts, period.

2. Electric resistance heat, which is what they all offer, is essentially 100% efficient.

3. Ergo, they all put out the same amount of heat. Period. End of story.

4. Electric resistance heat is one of the least cost effective ways of heating your house. Virtually any other means is cheaper.

5. In order to rope in buyers, the sellers of these things have to make it appear as if they will save you money. To do this, they have to pull the wool over your eyes, so they use a fancy name, carefully claim wondrous things without outright lying, and jack the price sky high, so you think there must be something to it.

6. A careful reading of the long and wonderfully misdirecting ads will reveal that the secret is always "turning down the heat in the rest of the house," while the family huddles around the "amazing" heater in the (insert room of choice).

7. In order to insure that potential buyers don't tumble to the truth in item six above, the ad will expound at length on details that have no relevance to energy efficiency, such as won't set paper on fire, pets can sit on it, construction details, you name it. In magic, it's called misdirection. In sales, it's called BS.

If you want an electric space heater, which is all it is, then buy one that is reasonably built and fairly priced. The discount stores are full of them.

And if you can't find one under $50, you aren't trying.
 
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My parents bought one two weeks ago. I'm not going to tell them what I just read. Usually they ask me to research things or maybe just my thoughts. Paul Harvey talked them into this $350 heater though. JC
 
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I would think it would come with a satisfaction-or-money-back guarantee. If they don't like it, or think that they would do better getting something else, then perhaps they could return it?
 
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Snowridge is my hero. Dead right. A watt is a watt. The only difference between electric heaters are things like noise levels, features like thermostats, and durability. For permanent heat I use the wall mounted cadet style forced air heaters, they're pretty ideal for electric zone heat. For portable heaters I use the little ceramic cubes for 15$ at walmart, they have a thermostat and last forever.

A watt is a watt.
 
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I got some feedback on infra red, but not too much on EdenPURE. Does anyone have any additinal feedback?

Check Consumers Reports - October 2007, pg 33. I looked them up when my Aunt was thinking about buying one. CR was not impressed.
 
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