Do I need a tractor?

   / Do I need a tractor? #41  
After reading post #35, it seems you are better off paying to have the work done and forget the tractor.
Yeah I was going to say get a B series with FEL, a dedicated mower, and a BH if you really wanted to have some fun, but as TripleR eluded to... it seems that you are not real keen on lots of DIY. A tractor is a workhorse and with the right implements will get alot done. But if you are trying to rationalize $$$ and your time, you may not be happy. Us DIY folks generally do not want to hire it done. It might even take awhile to get er done, but there can be huge satisfaction gained. Run some numbers like rough cost of tractor plus how many hours you think you would put in 'seat time' and see if this makes sense to you vs. renting/hiring machines/people to do it instead. Personally I hate hiring someone to do something I can do myself. Real big jobs though are another story. It is all a matter of what you like doing, how much time you have and your skill and patience. Good luck!
 
   / Do I need a tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#43  
I like do it yourself things, that's why I've been contemplating this. I've done done preliminary research and am wondering if I will actually use it enough to justify cost. So I'm leaning more towards smaller ones now with mmm and front loader. I like to pay for things to be done if they can be done more efficiently and at lower overall cost, that's why the lawn mower folks will still get my business. So what all can be done with a scut? Sorry I sound retarded. I think it'd be fun to have my son sitting on there with me hauling stuff around and digging up stuff. But a lil go kart would be just as fun for him and cost a few hundred bucks. You guys are all probably laughing at me, it's ok. Just trying to learn and pick your brains. It's important to surround yourself with people that are smarter than you.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #44  
Are you opening and reading the LINKS provided?

You have been given a ton of information today, in reply to your questions.

It should not be "back to basics" at this hour, at Post #43.

I suggest you use the SEARCH function using the keyword BX.
 
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   / Do I need a tractor? #45  
Tractors have lots of valves.....you might enjoy replacing them. In your line of work.....should be a no brainer.:thumbsup:
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #46  
So what all can be done with a scut? Sorry I sound retarded. I think it'd be fun to have my son sitting on there with me hauling stuff around and digging up stuff. But a lil go kart would be just as fun for him and cost a few hundred bucks. You guys are all probably laughing at me, it's ok.

OP -
The problem is that you've only given us a little info on your situation. Now we know you have a son, 10 apple trees, a 100 yard long driveway and some acreage, and we assume in Toledo Ohio. Which gets about 36.7 inches of snow a year.

Do you have a truck? Most of us have trucks to carry stuff so we can use it with the tractor (fertilizer etc.)
Outbuildings? Nice to have a place to store the tractor and implements

What's your age? When I was 20, 30, 40 I thought little of the effort to roll around a full wheelbarrow. At 50 and 60 I appreciate the tractors.

I'm a retired scientist and used to be on travel 2 or more weeks each month since 2000, and working 50 hr work weeks the rest of the time. I rarely got time to do much around the house on my 1/4 acre. So I understand the time constraints you are probably under.

However the tractor came in darn handy every time I had 40 bags of mulch to spread or redo a patch of lawn. And as I showed in my pics it's real handy moving brush and trees.

Justifying cost is difficult. If you would just as soon pay someone to do all your yard work while you worked on a lecture or donated your time at a clinic that's good.

Two of the BIG things tractors are GREAT at involve storms. Moving sections of downed trees and snow. If you don't have any trees near the house or that could block your driveway you probably don't need a tractor for emergencies. Toledo doesn't get much snow.

But if for some odd reason you LIKE getting outside and doing stuff a small B would really help with the 300 pines. And throw on a Post Hole Digger (PHD) to put in holes for the trees you want to plant if they are bigger than small saplings.

If you get a tractor in good shape and maintain it well you can leave it in a shed and it will last a LONG time. And if you get it at a good price they don't depreciate much.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #47  
I've not had much luck digging with my front end loader. However the FEL is my most used "implement", especially with bucket forks that I mostly use for hauling limbs I cut with the chainsaw. I can't see getting a mid mount mower and still paying someone to mow. I don't own a backhoe but I wish I had bought one 14 years ago when I bought my new tractor. Could have dug alot of holes by now, but still to expensive to justify adding it at this point. A post hole digger with 8" bit works pretty good but if you only have a couple of trees to plant it is hardly worth the trouble of changing implements.

Don't forget the need for a tiller if you want a garden. I till about 4 acres at least once a year, some for a garden and mostly for annual rye and cowpeas to feed the deer and improve the soil.

Needing a tractor really depends on how much you like to do yourself. With 24 acres, half of it thick brush and woods and the need to brush hog rough areas (I have a commercial ZTR for the cleared areas) I find myself on the tractor quite a bit although not as much as I was on it before I got the ZTR.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #48  
Danger!! That's TOO close. Look up JohnThomas http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/members/johnthomas.html he is recovering from "Kubota trading" disease. It's almost an addiction brought about by proximity to an excellent Kubota dealer. :)



A small B would be a good starting point.

A MMM option is about $3K, or 46 mowings by your service. Snow removal is similar, but if you get a FEL you can move snow in an EMERGENCY then wait for them to get around to you for a good job.

With a FEL, tooth bar/Piranha ($300), and clamp on pallet forks ($300) you can move a LOT of dirt and brush.

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You can move up to a quick attach grapple etc. but it will push your $16K starting price.

Add in a pallet fork for the 3pt and you can move small logs with ease. And trees, like snow, are one of those things that sometimes HAVE to be moved because of a storm. Grass on the other hand can generally wait a few days.

Again for $2K to $3K you can get a woodchipper, but around here you can rent one for a couple of hundred for the weekend.
I bought one because I produce a lot of bark/cants with my sawmill that I need to dispose of.

If you are a practicing cardiologist I suspect you have more money than time. So you probably want to buy new. But don't disregard used because they just came out with a "Tier IV" emissions thing that may be affecting the newer tractors.

It's VERY HANDY to have a tractor. I live on a 1/4 acre lot near Washington, DC. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one within about 2 miles that owns a tractor (bought in 2009 for my retirement to Mississippi in ???). We've had a couple of record snowfalls since I bought it and the plows don't get down the side courts for days. No problem :). You might also want to get chains :)

Once you've got the basic tractor the world of attachments opens up. For instance maybe you need to move a trailer on occasion. No problem with a 3 pt hitch trailer mover.

SWMBO wants a flower bed, no problem, rent a tiller or buy one.

A 35+HP 4wd tractor would be great for you, but a low end B (2320, 2620) would probably do everything you need to do.

Hi Doc,

I am what my screen name suggests, so let me help :)

Except for the first paragraph (which I know was tongue in cheek), I pretty well agree with the above, though while a 30+ HP tractor is nice, it is also a much bigger, and IMHO, unnecessary, step dollar-wise.

We have a 2011 Kubota B2320 with 60" MMM and FEL purchased new from a local dealer and the only thing we have ever wished we had done differently was MAYBE gotten a B2920 or B3200, but generally we are very happy with the model we have. It works in doing all the things you have expressed interest in performing, but wasn't so expensive that we feel we have to be using it every free minute to justify the cost. We bought it with Kubota's money (5 years w/o interest) and the payments are less than twice what you are paying for mowing per month figured annually (approx. $200-$250/mo), with significantly more function.

What it is especially good for is saving my back and hands from the chores I would be doing by hand otherwise, whether digging and moving dirt, moving brush, digging up trees, mowing, or whatever. There is very little outdoor work that it doesn't help make easier.

I too, enjoy time at home relaxing and doing nothing, but after a week of providing medical care to patients, all too often with difficult to quantify, and mostly intangible results, I find that there is great reward in taking on a physical project that I can stand back from and admire afterwards, especially when it will continue to be there to admire for years to come.

We have a little more than 8 acres, mostly wooded and swampy, with a 1/4-1/2 acre pond, upwards of 2 acres of grass (though not much that is really "lawn"), and approximately 1000' of gravel driveway. Our Kubota has made maintenance of all of these areas much easier.

I absolutely recommend a Piranha Tooth Bar to facilitate digging, grading, and raking. There are many threads here debating toothbars, but the PTB is really a great tool.

Whether you decide to mow or not is up to you, but for us it's another kind of occupational therapy, and we only fully mow maybe twice a season, with touch-ups to the more visible areas maybe a couple of times more. We like the longer grass and native plants that grow when we don't mow as often because they attract more wildlife like deer, turkeys, rabbits, and numerous birds.

If you decide you want to afford it, an Everything Attachments Grapple on your loader would be a great tool for woodlot management, but I tend to be a little cheap, therefore we bought chain-on forks from Yankee Warehouse which have a 1400# capacity (way more than our loader can budge- a good thing) that we find very helpful in moving logs, trees, and brush piles. Drive in to a pile, tilt up, and drive away, and most of the time the whole pile stays on to the fire pit. I AM thinking of making a mechanical, manually-operated, top jaw to help hold debris on better, when I have the (ever elusive) time.

I don't weld either, but since I never really cared for golf anyway, I am planning to start learning to do so, mostly for the fabrication of implements, and eventually to be able to make repairs if needed. I made a carry-all, and also modified my ballast box using a hand drill, and bolting it together, and I also have a (cheap, but functional) HF drill press and cold cut metal saw to help make the fabrication process easier.

If you are planning to move a lot of dirt, grade, or repair your own driveway, a box blade may make sense. It can also be used both dragging forward and dozing backwards (carefully) to move/clear snow, instead of a rear blade, or dedicated front snow blade. We use ours along with the loader to spread and grade gravel on our driveway.

Please keep us updated as to your progress and decision, we are always interested in how things work out, and maybe your experience can help the next fellow looking at making the big leap. Remember the TBN'S unOfficial motto: Without pictures, it never happened.

Happy and safe tractoring (and doctoring),
Thomas
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #49  
Hi Doc,

I am what my screen name suggests, so let me help :)

Except for the first paragraph (which I know was tongue in cheek), I pretty well agree with the above, though while a 30+ HP tractor is nice, it is also a much bigger, and IMHO, unnecessary, step dollar-wise.

We have a 2011 Kubota B2320 with 60" MMM and FEL purchased new from a local dealer and the only thing we have ever wished we had done differently was MAYBE gotten a B2920 or B3200, but generally we are very happy with the model we have. It works in doing all the things you have expressed interest in performing, but wasn't so expensive that we feel we have to be using it every free minute to justify the cost. We bought it with Kubota's money (5 years w/o interest) and the payments are less than twice what you are paying for mowing per month figured annually (approx. $200-$250/mo), with significantly more function.

What it is especially good for is saving my back and hands from the chores I would be doing by hand otherwise, whether digging and moving dirt, moving brush, digging up trees, mowing, or whatever. There is very little outdoor work that it doesn't help make easier.

I too, enjoy time at home relaxing and doing nothing, but after a week of providing medical care to patients, all too often with difficult to quantify, and mostly intangible results, I find that there is great reward in taking on a physical project that I can stand back from and admire afterwards, especially when it will continue to be there to admire for years to come.

We have a little more than 8 acres, mostly wooded and swampy, with a 1/4-1/2 acre pond, upwards of 2 acres of grass (though not much that is really "lawn"), and approximately 1000' of gravel driveway. Our Kubota has made maintenance of all of these areas much easier.

I absolutely recommend a Piranha Tooth Bar to facilitate digging, grading, and raking. There are many threads here debating toothbars, but the PTB is really a great tool.

Whether you decide to mow or not is up to you, but for us it's another kind of occupational therapy, and we only fully mow maybe twice a season, with touch-ups to the more visible areas maybe a couple of times more. We like the longer grass and native plants that grow when we don't mow as often because they attract more wildlife like deer, turkeys, rabbits, and numerous birds.

If you decide you want to afford it, an Everything Attachments Grapple on your loader would be a great tool for woodlot management, but I tend to be a little cheap, therefore we bought chain-on forks from Yankee Warehouse which have a 1400# capacity (way more than our loader can budge- a good thing) that we find very helpful in moving logs, trees, and brush piles. Drive in to a pile, tilt up, and drive away, and most of the time the whole pile stays on to the fire pit. I AM thinking of making a mechanical, manually-operated, top jaw to help hold debris on better, when I have the (ever elusive) time.

I don't weld either, but since I never really cared for golf anyway, I am planning to start learning to do so, mostly for the fabrication of implements, and eventually to be able to make repairs if needed. I made a carry-all, and also modified my ballast box using a hand drill, and bolting it together, and I also have a (cheap, but functional) HF drill press and cold cut metal saw to help make the fabrication process easier.

If you are planning to move a lot of dirt, grade, or repair your own driveway, a box blade may make sense. It can also be used both dragging forward and dozing backwards (carefully) to move/clear snow, instead of a rear blade, or dedicated front snow blade. We use ours along with the loader to spread and grade gravel on our driveway.

Please keep us updated as to your progress and decision, we are always interested in how things work out, and maybe your experience can help the next fellow looking at making the big leap. Remember the TBN'S unOfficial motto: Without pictures, it never happened.

Happy and safe tractoring (and doctoring),
Thomas
I have a hard time finding a reason to argue with PhysAssist! I have the little BX and it is awesome. Added the Pirranha tooth bar and the FEL works great for digging. With the back hoe, I am in heaven. I am building retaining walls and have probably moved 75yards of dirt, gravel, fill, not to mention blocks, stumps, rocks, etc in the two months I have had it. Awesome what a tractor can do! Like I said before... if you have the time, I think it will be therapeutic at least and physical at best to get out there and do some serious work that is absolutely fun with the tractor! I am working on a sloping property so it is a special challenge not to roll and kill myself... that said I love the challenge. I have a day job but it is a little more forgiving the most as I set my own meetings and travel. I guess I say... go for it! A couple of questions... are you handy with tools? Would you change the oil? Grease the fittings regularly? Or... do you expect all of that to be done if you pay someone else? If you like getting your hands dirty then it is a no brainer in my book. If you think it is just like mowing the lawn then don't buy and hire it done. Hope the commentary helps!
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #50  
I like do it yourself things, that's why I've been contemplating this. I've done done preliminary research and am wondering if I will actually use it enough to justify cost. So I'm leaning more towards smaller ones now with mmm and front loader. I like to pay for things to be done if they can be done more efficiently and at lower overall cost, that's why the lawn mower folks will still get my business. So what all can be done with a scut? Sorry I sound retarded. I think it'd be fun to have my son sitting on there with me hauling stuff around and digging up stuff. But a lil go kart would be just as fun for him and cost a few hundred bucks. You guys are all probably laughing at me, it's ok. Just trying to learn and pick your brains. It's important to surround yourself with people that are smarter than you.

Hey Doc,

I honestly doubt that anybody here is laughing at you, and if they were, they stopped when you mentioned having your son on the tractor with you while working with the tractor.

You haven't read enough of the safety threads here if you are contemplating doing that. While I will admit to allowing my niece and nephew to ride in my lap for short trip down the driveway, it was once each, and my attention was on them and driving, and not on any task.

It isn't always a slam dunk whether it is more cost effective/efficient to hire something done vs. doing it yourself, but you make a decision, and live with it. This question of whether a tractor is right for you is like that, but if you decide to buy one, TBN is a priceless source of lore and wisdom, as well as a few facts :) and except for some few ignorant individuals who troll folks here, most people here are understanding, tolerant and really mean to be helpful. If it doesn't offer anything else (and believe me it does), it offers the knowledge that you are not the only one who ever made that mistake, or if you really are the only one, someone to offer advice on how to fix it, and commiseration that it's a horrible thing to have had happened to you. In short, here we laugh with you, not at you.
Thomas
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #51  
cardiologist, I like PhysAssist's post at#50 because it is true. Most folks on here are kind hearted and give their advice freely. I would add extra stress to his remark about safety. In several countries around the world it is illegal for children under 14 (or thereabouts depending on country) to be on a moving agricultural tractor or implement - and for very good reason. Too many have been killed, and sometimes the parents are charged. Quad bikes also have stickers on them saying it is illegal for people under 16 to ride them.

Following your post #35(?) I think you should not buy any tractor at this stage.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #52  
What it is especially good for is saving my back and hands from the chores I would be doing by hand otherwise, whether digging and moving dirt, moving brush, digging up trees, mowing, or whatever. There is very little outdoor work that it doesn't help make easier.
Thomas makes a good point here - Saving the back and hands.
I "threw out" my back about 25 years ago and have had 3 surgeries since 2005. There are many "minor" chores that come up that the tractor REALLY assists with.

Moving appliances really helps
freezer-load8x6c.JPG freezer-load8x6b.JPG (should have also used a strap rather than just a strapping son)

Picking up little sticks off the lawn
log2.jpg log4-.jpg
(I know the ROPS should be up, but it's really flat)

If you do anticipate having to do any "hand work", picking up logs, scooping out holes, digging out stumps, that requires significant hand work you might want a backhoe. Normally I recommend against a backhoe, but if your hands are a VERY important part of your work (examining patients, for example) a backhoe may pay for itself.

As Thomas wrote, for some of us it's great therapy. Every time I get out there with my backhoe I feel like a kid in a sandbox.

And as far as your son "riding along with you" don't worry, especially with a small B. Give him some good training and once he's big enough he'll probably look for excuses to use the tractor. But remember, 1 seat - 1 person.

/edit - and in case y'all didn't catch it - when I wrote
And as far as your son "riding along with you" don't worry,
I meant DON'T WORRY - DON'T DO IT
 
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   / Do I need a tractor? #53  
I think it'd be fun to have my son sitting on there with me hauling stuff around and digging up stuff. But a lil go kart would be just as fun for him and cost a few hundred bucks.

A go kart won't help teach your kid the value of productive work, nor the satisfaction of a job well done.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #54  
As far as post 43, having anyone riding with you if there is no seat for them is a NO=NO !!!.
There are too many post on the safety forum and articles in the newspaper and in the news
on TV, about kids getting hurt or killed because someone let them ride with them.
The can fall off and get run over, or even heaven forbid, get under the implements being
used. Like a brush hog or some other equipment. They could even get tangled up in
the PTO shafts. So, do your self a favor and get him the go cart to ride and not let him
ride on the tractor until he is old enough to operate it safely himself with you watching...
I have posted a photo on here of me with my grandson on my tractor, but also mentioned
that the key was in my pocket and not in the ignition....Best place for the key when you
have the kids on the tractor.
I have seen tractor seats made for riders that fit the 3 pt. with seat belts to prevent any
accidents.

:welcome: to TBN.

Tom :thumbsup:
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #55  
And Gary you need a grapple, on that big LS.. You will be amazed how it makes picking up brush and junk fun!.. I have got my new Everything Attachments Wicked Grapple going on my Kioti, and have started using it. It is way better than forks for brush, I have used forks for years to haul brush off, but it is mostly a get off and stack it thing. Better than trying to get it in/on a bucket, but now where near as cool as taking a couple of seconds to "grab a bite" of brush and off to the brush pile with it.

James K0UA
I know, A grapple would have been very useful 3 years ago, but now it is just the occasional blown over tree to deal with and the low limb trimmings every couple of years that I use my RTV 900 to haul them away. I was telling my brother in law a few days ago that I should sell my LS as it doesn't get much use anymore as most of my work is done with the little B26. I can use the backhoe similar to a grapple for loading heavy stuff.

I think that if money wasn't an issue, I could recommend to the OP that he get a B 26 or L35 TLB if he wants a little larger but for his yard, the B26 is plenty. It isn't belly mower compatible but would handle a rear finish mower in 4-5 foot width. It would just mean having a bit more edge clean up with a push mower or weed eater. Personally, I prefer using tractors for tractor work and mowers for mowing, but that is just me.

Right now I am looking at getting rid of my JD 332 garden tractor with 54" mower and my Craftsman 6000 52" zero turn and getting a Ferris zero turn simply because it has a spring/shock suspension system that would make my mowing in my rough yard a lot easier on the back. I have too many trees to even consider using a rear finish mower.

My daughter has 2.5 acre lot (minus house and driveway) and they bought a Kubota 2630 with MMM, tiller, and middle buster for mowing and gardening. Total package was under $20K and it works for her as there are only about a dozen trees. They don't have to remove the MMM when using the tiller or bedder. The MMM does drag in the dirt, but it makes a nice flat top to the row. Their soil is quite sandy so it hasn't been a problem with high centering of the tractor on the bed
As for planting, I never use a shovel now regardless of what I am planting, I get the B26 to dig the hole. I may use a garden hoe to make a trench in the garden for planting seeds or seedlings but that is the extent of my manual labor digging.
 
   / Do I need a tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#56  
Thank you all for the replies. Definitely had given me a lot to think about. I've read all the posts, links, and downloaded that pdf file that describes all the implements with pictures and uses. I did not realize the safety issues. Thanks for pointing that out. I've never been a party of an online forum where people are so helpful so quickly. I expected maybe one or two replies. I'm am very grateful. I'll have to sit down again and sort out what I want and need. I think a tractor can easily justify its costs, figuring out which implements to use and buy would be the next step. Also deciding on size of tractor.
One last question, I do have some stumps I'd like to remove, are the backhoes on these smaller tractors capable of removing those effectively? How big does the tractor or backhoe need to be? Some stumps of these old oak trees are 20 inches or more in size.

Thanks once again. I'll keep you all posted and post pictures of what I end up with and the logic and process I used to figure it out.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #57  
As for removal of the stumps, it is a matter of time. Yes even the small backhoes on a BX sized tractor will remove large stumps, it is a matter of how much time do you have to do the job.. The smaller the backhoe the more time it will take. Example, if you had a huge excavator you could remove the stump in one scoop. So the time would be a few seconds. It might take up to a few hours to remove a well rooted stump in rocky ground with extensive root system. It is hard to say how long, a lot depends on the ground they are rooted in. Here is a thread of mine on uprooting a large stump without the benefit of backhoe. Even a small BX would have been a much better tool than what I had. But hey, I got the stump out.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/219557-stump-yard-wars.html


James K0UA
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #58  
One last question, I do have some stumps I'd like to remove, are the backhoes on these smaller tractors capable of removing those effectively? How big does the tractor or backhoe need to be? Some stumps of these old oak trees are 20 inches or more in size.

Thanks once again. I'll keep you all posted and post pictures of what I end up with and the logic and process I used to figure it out.

Stump removal of larger trees is greatly dependent on root growth pattern and soil. If you are going to cut a tree leave a tall stump, and after digging around it leverage will help. Explosives do better but the authorities frown on them.

But to me it sure is fun.

Well I finally got to use my ride for something "real".
Witness 1 ugly stump, about 2 foot in diameter, tree cut down about 5 years ago (pic1).
Made a few swipes last night, but Tstorms rolled in.

133574d1246142983-my-first-stump-stump_before.jpg



After about 3.5 hours seat time I got it broke off (second pic). It only had a few major side roots but they were all down about 1 foot plus deep.
Finally got it out (obligatory picture holding up the captured stump).
All backhoe work except cleaning up the piles and filling in the hole.
Only 4 cold O'Douls consumed for cold "adult" beverages.
Good learning experience. Perfect weather.
133575d1246143002-my-first-stump-stump_breakout.jpg


Note the long taproot.

133576d1246143012-my-first-stump-stump_hold_better.jpg


I might even mount it, in my fireplace.

Note for those looking at BH's -
There was a lot of discussion when I was buying mine. Several recommended a smaller BH, either a Woods 6000 or the Kubota B4672. Well the BH70 can definitely move my 7610 around easily. But there were a lot of times I really used the full extension and "curl" power.
 
   / Do I need a tractor? #59  
Want------------------------------------------------Need.

How about you meet somewhere in the middle? Keep your lawn care for now. The price is great, and your time is worth more than you would save by doing it yourself. Buy a B series or equivalent tractor. I have the B7500, but would like to have a slightly larger one. And don't be afraid of used tractors. If you are not in a rush, you can wait for a deal. That leaves more money for implements. I would go with the FEL w/ toothbar but not the backhoe. But then I have more time than money. When I cut a tree off the 6 1/2 acres that I mow, I dig around the stump with a shovel and chainsaw it at ground level. Less than an hour of work. And if you are cutting trees in your little wood, there is no real reason to remove the stumps. Just cut them low enough, and they will rot in a few years.

Speaking of mowing, when you retire, or decide to start doing the mowing yourself, I would go with a RFM, not the MMM. It is much easier to hook and unhook from. A very good 5' RFM {land pride, woods, etc...} will cost you around $1.7K.

What size pine trees are you planning on planting? Like someone else has said, seedlings do fine. Pines grow fast, so that is the way I would go. Or even if you do want to plant larger trees, a 12" PHD will do fine. You could dig the hole out a little bigger with a hand post hole digger if you had to.

But if you buy a tractor, you will find plenty of work for it.

And PLEASE do not ride your son on anything that does not have a seat for him. Back when I was a kid, we all did it. But one of my 5th grade classmates died in a fall from a tractor. Buy a golf cart and you can ride him all over your place in safety.
 
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   / Do I need a tractor? #60  
Doc I think you need a tractor
MY wife feels it is my therapist
I am a VP of a small shop that does all the stuff nobody else wants to do or can't do :banghead:
I think about work when I wake up till I get home and plant my ***** on my tractor or zero turn
By the time I go in at night I don't remember if I even went to work that day
a shower and maybe a beer :drink: watching the late news and I sleep like a baby
cheapest therapy I could come up with
 

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