Diesel catergorized as carcinogen

[Victory Pete]

What do You do for a living? I say hug a Farmer and a Coal Miner, not a tree hugger.

Do you think it is fair to the Coal Miner to not let him know the dangers of Diesel Exhaust?

VP

 

[mrpoppy58]

What dept of the EPA or reelect Obama do you work for? :laughing: Seriously, the EPA did a good job of cleaning up out of control industries, then they got out of control and now are a hammer over the head of business growth.

Oh, here's your link on the ocean dumping, of course that doesn't include as many as several dozen nuclear warheads that have been lost in the world's oceans by various military around the world. Ocean disposal of radioactive waste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank You so much. This is proof of what I said. Have a good Day.

 

[gator]

I was a bit bummed when I saw this on CNN a few days ago. I have lost a liitle enthusiasm for my new JD 2320.

WHO: Diesel exhaust can cause cancer - CNN.com

VP:confused2:

Sell your tractor, don't drive on any roads cause there may be a carcinogen producing truck or train nearby. You ain't gonna be able to sleep till you get rid of your car carcinogen producer so just do it

 

[gator]

Sell your tractor, don't drive on any roads cause there may be a carcinogen producing truck or train nearby. You ain't gonna be able to sleep till you get rid of your tractor carcinogen producer so just do it.

 

[gator]

Sell your tractor, don't drive on any roads cause there may be a carcinogen producing truck or train nearby. You ain't gonna be able to sleep till you get rid of your carcinogen producer so just do it[]

 

[The Haymaker]

Another typical response I am afraid.

VP

And I suppose you also believe the cavemen started the trend because they discovered fire? We might as well panic because NASA has also forecast that someday our sun with turn us into true carbon based lifeless forms. Oh well, my forecast is it will still come up tomorrow, and the day after, and maybe even the day after that.

But anyway, I digress. Anything petroleum based is a carcinogen. Do I worry? Nope, because I'm sure some other "carcinogen" will probably get me well before my tractor exhaust does.

 

[MHarryE]

Not sure why this thread went off the deep end. Started out with someone talking about the latest study showing diesel exhaust emissions to be a carcinogen. It's only the latest. Even the diesel engine manufacturers agree with the data and say the work being done to clean up the engines is the right thing to do. Will you die from diesel engine exhaust? Highly unlikely but the risk is there. Why the big objection to a cleaner environment? Technology is there to do it. Why not reduce the causes of our health problems instead of relying on new developments to treat the illnesses?

 

[Victory Pete]

And I suppose you also believe the cavemen started the trend because they discovered fire? We might as well panic because NASA has also forecast that someday our sun with turn us into true carbon based lifeless forms. Oh well, my forecast is it will still come up tomorrow, and the day after, and maybe even the day after that.

But anyway, I digress. Anything petroleum based is a carcinogen. Do I worry? Nope, because I'm sure some other "carcinogen" will probably get me well before my tractor exhaust does.

The sun has billions of years of life left.
So are you saying people shouldnt be warned because you think something else will get you anyway?

VP

 

[Mikeeemo]

The sun has billions of years of life left.
So are you saying people shouldnt be warned because you think something else will get you anyway?

VP

I interpret this to mean "pick your battle". A lot of us do not think we need laws that deal with the obvious. We go to extremes to "protect" others from conditions that we are aware of. In the example given, ANY internal combustion engine that is operated in an enclosed space is going cause the build up of deadly gases. We all know it, or should. We are forced to spend billions to make things perfect, in a imperfect world. Most of us would simply stay out of the enclosed area or ventilate it. I don't need a law from a government to help me decide. Self preservation gets it done.

 

[Victory Pete]

I interpret this to mean "pick your battle". A lot of us do not think we need laws that deal with the obvious. We go to extremes to "protect" others from conditions that we are aware of. In the example given, ANY internal combustion engine that is operated in an enclosed space is going cause the build up of deadly gases. We all know it, or should. We are forced to spend billions to make things perfect, in a imperfect world. Most of us would simply stay out of the enclosed area or ventilate it. I don't need a law from a government to help me decide. Self preservation gets it done.

Who is is talking about laws, This thread is about Diesel being labeled as a carcinogen.

VP

 

[toppop52]

Who is is talking about laws, This thread is about Diesel being labeled as a carcinogen.

VP

We all read that headline a few days ago, so what was the point then?

 

[NC tractor driver]

Green

The Godfather of Global Warming, uh Climate Change is backing off on the hysteria.

 

[toppop52]

his alone says most of what needs saying;

He responds to attacks on his revised views by noting that, unlike many climate scientists who fear a loss of government funding if they admit error, as a freelance scientist, he’s never been afraid to revise his theories in the face of new evidence. Indeed, that’s how science advances.

And the poll shows what the overall public thinks as well;

Poll
Do you think global warming is a real threat?

6%
Yes

1931 votes


91%
No

27633 votes


3%
It won't be my problem

834 votes

 

[ericher69]

Diesel emissions are harmful like it or not

Under the following legislation

http://m.news.ontario.ca/mol/en/2009/11/firefighter-occupational-diseases-1.html

It is related to certain workplace cancers for Firefighters in Canada

 

[Victory Pete]

his alone says most of what needs saying;

And the poll shows what the overall public thinks as well;

Where did you get that poll? Here is a very recent poll:

http://environment.yale.edu/climate/files/Extreme-Weather-Climate-Preparedness.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/s...bal-warming-to-extreme-weather-poll-says.html

VP

 

[Domush]

Not sure why this thread went off the deep end. Started out with someone talking about the latest study showing diesel exhaust emissions to be a carcinogen. It's only the latest. Even the diesel engine manufacturers agree with the data and say the work being done to clean up the engines is the right thing to do. Will you die from diesel engine exhaust? Highly unlikely but the risk is there. Why the big objection to a cleaner environment? Technology is there to do it. Why not reduce the causes of our health problems instead of relying on new developments to treat the illnesses?

Well put, MHarryE.

So many want to cling to the past technologies because "it worked for us in the past", then disregard all of the bad stuff that came out of it, such as greenhouse gases, polluted air and water, cancer rates, birth defects, deforestation, species extinctions and genetic mutations. When the technology of old was created people had little to no idea the harms it would cause. Now we do, so it's time to begin converting to technologies which produce less harms and provide a sustainable future for both us and the children so many people claim to care about. We've already mortgaged our children's future, now there are those who are looking to choke, radiate, poison and freeze them out as well.

Change is rarely easy, but progress is needed for health, both as a population and on a personal level. The EPA is pushing to point out the 'obvious' so those who are in denial over every ill effect of our old ways are displayed as the irrational people they are being. Doing so will help the population as a whole begin putting people in charge who are willing to move forward and remove those who are intent on anchoring us to past, polluting technologies. Are we, as a whole, always successful? Of course not. That is hardly a reason to stop pushing forward. We're all going to die, but that doesn't mean we should die sooner then necessary.

As for the climate change polls.. who cares? When has a vote ever changed reality?

Even if 100% of the people on Earth said the ice caps were reforming, it would not stop them from melting. Stick to the science, not the logical fallacy of 'because lots of people agree with me, it must be true'. Reality is, whether it is pleasant, popular, written down, tested, observed or not. The best anyone can do is act on the known facts. Greenhouse gasses trap warmth, long term ice caps are melting, desalination can change the major ocean currents. Those are the facts, polls and rhetoric do not change them. Act accordingly.

 

[Muhammad]

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[toppop52]

Where did you get that poll? Here is a very recent poll:

http://environment.yale.edu/climate/files/Extreme-Weather-Climate-Preparedness.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/s...bal-warming-to-extreme-weather-poll-says.html

VP

It was in the article posted, had you read the posts here you would have seen it. And whats with the on every post. Like someone else here that fancies self brilliance, you're one of the pack, not Einstein.

 

[chad22]

Just about everything I buy seems to have the labels This product is known to the state of California to cause cancer Birth defects or other reproductive harm. Wash hands after handling.

I've never washed my hands after handling and so far haven't received cancer.

Shoot. I even put my hand over the exhaust of vehicles and other engines to check for lean mixture. I'll even get down and sniff the exhaust with my hand directing the exhaust to my nose. lol

Still haven't got cancer in the 15 or so years of doing the sniff test on the exhaust. Been doing it since I was about 9 years old.

Chad

 

[Victory Pete]

Just about everything I buy seems to have the labels This product is known to the state of California to cause cancer Birth defects or other reproductive harm. Wash hands after handling.

I've never washed my hands after handling and so far haven't received cancer.

Shoot. I even put my hand over the exhaust of vehicles and other engines to check for lean mixture. I'll even get down and sniff the exhaust with my hand directing the exhaust to my nose. lol

Still haven't got cancer in the 15 or so years of doing the sniff test on the exhaust. Been doing it since I was about 9 years old.

Chad

You are 24 years old?

VP