Design of cabin with intent to move later ??

   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #11  
I was going to suggest prefab.. something like one of these http://www.kenthomes.com/kent-homes-residential-browse-homes-1000-1399-sqft.aspx

Being modular theyre designed to be moved. A crew thats familiar with them can disassemble them in no time. The electrical and plumbing is designed to be connected in the field so its run in a way that allows the place to be split down the middle for transport. Might be the best solution if your not wanting a mobile home.
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #12  
Boy-oh-boy! Does this all sound familiar to me? You bet! I see this question and pattern repeated over and over when people buy and move to the country.

Way back in 1999/2000, I was going through the same kind of scenario. Having just closed a run-down mobile home park I inherited, I was so turned off by mobile homes that I think I would have lived in a cave before buying one. If I had it to do all over today, I would go the small mobile home route for sure, or maybe build a permanent metal building with living quarters inside. The quickest and easiest way is to put a nice 40' travel trailer on the property and concentrate your efforts on building a permanent utility building and planning your home instead of spending all your time and energy on a temporary self-built structure. That's what I'd say to do in hindsight. It's not what I did. I'll try to be brief, but explain what I did and how much work it was. I've attached photos to illustrate.

I decided to buy a 24' x 24' portable building and finish it out as a cabin. I found a fellow near Fort Worth who built and sold several sizes and styles of buildings. He primarily sold kits to people to build their own, but he had a few buildings he had built and the 24' x 24' was for sale for $5k. The windows and doors were installed as was electrical and insulation. The building was actually two 12' x 24' sections (a double-wide portable building) with each section built onto skids. The fellow said he had a trailer for hauling the sections and would loan that to me for free if I bought his building. He would prepare the sections and load them out for me. All I would have to do is haul them to my place, unload them, and set them up. I had a relatively new 3/4 ton Dodge, so that seemed like a good plan. I got a hauling permit from the state and started early one Saturday morning at 7 AM. Because the sections were so wide and lightweight, I could not drive over 45 mph without the trailer setting up a fishtail motion. That's probably good, because I'm not sure the structure would have withstood faster speeds. However, at that speed, I was able to make two trips in one day, unload, and return the fellows trailer to him by 9:30 PM. WHEW! What a chore. I had hauled two big sections over 90 miles one-way to my property and unloaded them side-by-side without doing any damage.

I don't have any digital photos of the process, but I laid 2x6s down flat on the ground at 90 degrees to the skids so I could push the sections together using my tractor. It worked very well. Also, the flooring was screwed down, so I popped that up and easily tied the two sections together as I leveled the structure. Then, for the next 6 months I spent almost every spare moment finishing out my apartment inside the building. Because the walls were already insulated and were 2x4 framing, I didn't want to weaken the structure and just added the plumbing on the outside. I could have hidden it better, but that wasn't a priority, and I wanted to make it easy to cut when I moved the cabin later. The first 3 pictures below are my cabin and wellhouse that I built to match the cabin's style and color. In the picture of the back of the cabin, you can see the outside drain pipes and the skids are clearly visible under each half-section.

I wanted to keep a storage area because the cabin had a very nice garage door, so I built my living area in the front and a laundry room and bath in the back of the storage area while leaving a 12' x 16' storage. If I didn't need that storage, I could have used the extra room for a nice bedroom, but instead I put a futon in the living area and also a single bed. The finished inside pictures show how well things turned out.

Finally, fast forward to the present and my cabin is still exactly where I put it over 11 years ago.:rolleyes: Hundreds of times I have said I was going to move it, but it just hasn't happened yet. You can see the cabin in the final picture. I've used it a couple of times as guest quarters, but still I would prefer to have it moved and use that area for a nice flower garden. Oh well. . . it will happen some day.

If I had it to do all over again, I'd sure go the travel trailer/mobile home route and make my life much easier. It's just that at the time this seemed like the best approach. It worked well, but it was a lot of work.
 

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   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #13  
This may not be an issue in your area but is worth checking. In some areas the portable cabin would be required to meet codes like any other living structure. Often a camper is not required to meet the same codes which makes it easier to do a temporary living situation. Your cabin may also turn your property into "developed" status for tax purposes were a camper may not.

MarkV
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #14  
This may not be an issue in your area but is worth checking. In some areas the portable cabin would be required to meet codes like any other living structure. Often a camper is not required to meet the same codes which makes it easier to do a temporary living situation. Your cabin may also turn your property into "developed" status for tax purposes were a camper may not.

MarkV

Mark, as long as it is a portable building or travel trailer, it doesn't show up on real estate taxes here in Texas. If it does, you can protest and get it removed. Last year I had a tax assessor agent come right to my door and ask if somebody lived in my cabin. I said it was just a portable storage building and offered to show them since I had some stuff stored in the living area. She said that wasn't necessary as long as it wasn't a permanent dwelling. That's the first time anything has ever been said in 11 years.
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #15  
This idea may or may not make sense in your case, but what about first putting up a decent size barn big enough to keep a travel trailer inside and all your construction gear enclosed while you are in the building process? It also might reduce the chances of gear and possesions walking off when you not there if it's not in plain sight. No guarantees, but.....

This is not to try to circumvent any zoning rules-the zoning boards would almost certainly pick up a trailer from from satelite images, so if this idea has any merit to you, be sure to check with your local authorities to see if they'll go along with this idea.

I can't take credit for this suggestion, but when my bride and I were looking for our place, we ran across a nice tract of land with a barn and the owner had done this. You have to run utilities anyway, so It would still probably require the appropriate permit for the septic system, but that might be an advantage in the long run. Given that requirements for building and septic permits won't get easier in the future, getting your permits now might insure that you CAN build your dream place later. Yes, you may change the zoning to developed and pay higher taxes, but it could be cheap insurance to make sure the property can be built on if it's not already zoned for developing.

I have a neighbor who had 40 acres he wanted to develope into 8 home sites of 5 acres, but kept the property zoned as agriculture to keep his taxes low. A couple of years later, the zoning laws changed in our county, and now he has an expensive pasture which can never be developed!

Good luck!

GGB
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #16  
On the first land I owned, I wanted to build in two phases. I ended up selling that lot and buying what we now own.

The plan at the first lot was to build a "garage", pay it off and then build the Big House. I called it a garage but if you go to the bank, do not call it a garage. :D

The "garage" was two stories tall with a large two car garage on the first floor along with a living room. There was an "appendage" on the side of the garage that contained an entry way and access to the laundry room. The second floor had a master bed room, kitchen, one or two baths, and one or two more bedrooms. It has been awhile since I looked at the design. :)

I think it was about 1500-1800 sf of living space.

The living room and master were quite large since they ran the wide of the building so they would have been at least 24-26 feet wide and 12-16 feet deep. The living room on the first floor would eventually be a shop.

After the "garage" was paid off, the Big House could be built. It would be on the other side of the "appendage". The "appendage" let us connect the two structures easily together and allowed access to both buildings.

The "garage" was designed so that the upstairs, downstairs and "appendage" could be setup so that we could rent out the "garage", yet keep the renters our of the shop, garage, and the Big House. We live near some universities, so I figured we could rent out the space to Grad or PhD students for a good price to them and us.

You might be able to build in two phases if you can work out a good plan and it makes money sense.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #17  
I agree with Keeg's and Dan's approach/advice. The most economical and least roundabout way of doing what you wish to do is to build a portion of your final home, then expand it. It is an exercise in imagination :)

We planned to build a small cabin that would become guest quarters originally, but somehow we skipped directly to Plan B. :laughing: We ended up living in a 33' RV trailer from the end of March to early November with a porta-potty outside. I don't recommend that.

You didn't say what style of final home you are interested in, so this is just a FWIW WAG. If you plan on having a master suite with bath and laundry (as is common these days) I think that portion of a house is a good place to start. Figure out what room is adjacent to that area in your final plan and make it a temporary eat-in kitchen and sitting room. The temporary or extra plumbing cost is nothing compared to the depreciation on a newer mobile or RV. It could even become a family room with a wet bar down the road.

I don't think you would like living in an RV/trailer without a septic and water system in place. That just isn't any fun, so that is a wash cost-wise.
Dave.
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #18  
CottageKits.com builds paletized barns and sheds that you can assemble easily. Maybe something like that in your area. Kits come with walls as prebuilt panels. 16x34 two story barn is $6K plus roof and foundation (about $1500 on pilings). Then take it apart later and move it or sell it as a kit.
John
 
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#19  
Lots of great ideas here guys. Thanks a million for the suggestions.

Regarding zoning - no problems here. We are very rural and pretty much anything goes within reason

After thinking about it lots, Ive come to the conclusion that the most economical, least permanent, most practical thing I can do is to try to find a good deal on a decent trailer house and live in it while my house is being built and then sell it to be moved after Im done.

Do you guys think its possible to live in a trailer house a year or 2 and be able to recooperate your initial investment? thanks
 
   / Design of cabin with intent to move later ?? #20  
Do you guys think its possible to live in a trailer house a year or 2 and be able to recooperate your initial investment? thanks

First you have to decide on mobile home vs. travel trailer.

In my area there is a small but fairly steady supply of mobile homes available free or for a nominal charge. Basically from people who are finishing exactly what you are starting. Many of them will be older and possibly not in very good states of repair. Plus, "free" is not exactly the same as "no cost". There are costs associated with moving the mobile home to your site, significant site prep, and then setup charges.

You are never going to recover the site prep, moving costs, site prep and setup charges. A lot of times people have a hard time getting rid of an old mobile home when they are finished with it, and there may be a disposal cost.

A travel trailer only requires a reasonably level gravel pad, with enough gravel outside the door so you don't track mud in. In general travel trailers will be smaller than mobile homes.

Neither kind ages very well, and a travel trailer in good shape can be costly. The best value ones are liable to be private party sales where someone needs the money quickly due to changed life circumstances. A 2 to 6 year old travel trailer could conceivably sell for close to its purchase price if you get a good deal on one and then are willing to wait to get a good price on the selling end, especially if you keep up on maintenance.

The ones that hold their value best around here are the 20 to 30 foot ones that can be used as a hunting trailer. These are too small to live in for an extended period, but I paid $10k for a 24 foot trailer two years ago and could easily recover my money if I ever wanted to sell my "Redneck Hunting Lodge".
 

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