Dealers Not Accepting Some Brands on Trade

[BigBlue1]

That is some convoluted logic for sure.

When I think of all the big so called major brands that have gone out of existence in the recent past.
Oliver, Allis Chalmers, Farmall, IH, White, AGCO, Massy Harris, Ferguson, Challenger and numerous others that were "major" brands not to long ago.

Most of those brands haven't "gone out of existence". They didn't close up shop. They evolved into other brands by being purchased and integrated or rebranded. Those aren't necessarily failures.

 

[Hay Dude]

That is some convoluted logic for sure.

When I think of all the big so called major brands that have gone out of existence in the recent past.
Oliver, Allis Chalmers, Farmall, IH, White, AGCO, Massy Harris, Ferguson, Challenger and numerous others that were "major" brands not to long ago.

I think AGCO is still a huge player, unless you are referring to their tractor/baler “in-house” line. They were discontinued due to the overlap of Massey/Challenger/AGCO. Somewhat similar to Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile.
AGCO is the “mothership” for Massey, Hesston, Fendt, Valtra, Challenger and Gleaner to name the biggest.
The cut of AGCO branded and Challenger branded tractors is pretty simply because you can get 98% the same tractor from Massey Ferguson.
I’d buy a used AGCO or Challenger in a heartbeat.
But maybe I misunderstood you.

 

[Torvy]

When the personal insults start you should realize you are losing the argument.

Why do you feel so compelled to defend the brand of tractor you bought? It sounds like you are insecure about your decision.

Ignorance is not insulting, stupidity is insulting. Most of the people who think cheaper brands are bad are ignorant, not stupid. Ignorance just means you don't know something. Stupidity means you know the facts, but cannot process them well. I am ignorant of a lot of things, so is everyone else.

I'm not defending my purchase at all. I don't have a Doosan. I am trying to help some people who read information posted by people who falsely believe anything that is not JD or Kubota must be inferior. That is simply ignorance. There may have been a time when it was true, just like when Honda, Datsun, and Toyota were considered cheap Asian junk. Times change and many people don't realize how close these products are in quality. When ignorant people repeat falsehood out of ignorance, that is hardly insulting to point it out.

 

[Hay Dude]

Sit a Challenger (Cat/Perkins engine), an AGCO (Cummins engine) or a Massey (Perkins/Sisu engine) side by side and the engine and paint color is about the only difference.

Must have been massively inefficient, but I have to admit, it was the height of “Customer choice” which I thought was terrific.

 

[Torvy]

Didn't some of those brands just disappear and get trotted out later as different corporations bought the rights?

I think there was a short time after IH went under that Case just used their own name. The IH brand was stronger, so they changed it to CaseIH and used the IH colors. Now they have been reusing Farmall. I don't know if people realize that in the 30s-50s, IH was the big dog and most of the others were considered lesser brands. The wheel of time turns.

The 'US' automakers have used a system similar to Agco/MF/Challenger for many years. They would pitch one as a value line, but they wasted a lot of resources making 3-4 versions of the same car where the only real difference was esthetics.

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[CloverKnollFarms]

So, all you have to do is charge the most for a product, and that will convince some its the best.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

So, all you have to do is charge the most for a product, and that will convince some its the best.

Ohhh and it makes the ego freaking giant. Look at my welder! Cant weld, look at my truck! never hauled anything but plywood. Look at my tractor! no livestock glorified lawnmower. Look at my house! who cares. What really interests me is accomplishments. Look at the truck that was garbage that I refurbished. Man this house was a pile and I fixed it. I dont want to see your welder I want to see what you fixed or made.

 

[AndyMA]

CNHI is, in turn, owned and controlled by Exor...

Home | EXOR

www.exor.com

I believe they own 26% of CNH

 

[Torvy]

I believe they own 26% of CNH

The next biggest holder of CNHI has only 6-7%. Exor controls CNH.

 

[bvanek]

it was the height of “Customer choice”

yes, the good old days when customers had the most influence on what the market supplied.....But we were our own manufacturer/supplier back then and competition gave us those choices...... then add in government mandates/compliance etc. and the choices are further diluted.....

 

[LouNY]

Fiat

 

[arrow]

The simple fact that the customer is trying to trade his tractor for a different brand may be a good indication that he thinks the other brand is better than what he is trying to trade. If what he has is a good tractor, why go to another brand?

Because he may not be getting a good value on trade from the original dealer is one reason.
JD was showing me $1500 for my Japanese built JD.
Mahindra showed me $7000 for my JD toward my Japanese built Mahindra.
Had zero to do with your premise.
Also, the equivalent JD to my present machine had plastic fenders, plastic hood, plastic floor boards, lower lift capacities and weighed less by a lot and to top it all off, an aluminum gear case.
The JD was $2000 more in asking price and a 30 minute longer ride to get to.
I did not need a degree in quantum physics to acknowledge these reasons as valid enough to switch brands.

 

[DK35vince]

The simple fact that the customer is trying to trade his tractor for a different brand may be a good indication that he thinks the other brand is better than what he is trying to trade. If what he has is a good tractor, why go to another brand?

I sold my John Deere and bought a Kioti.
Under your theory, what does that mean ?

 

[LouNY]

Well heck let's see I've got an IH, a NH, a Branson, just bought a Kioti, I do have a Kubota F series lawn mower.
And parked in the woods is a John Deere lawn mower first thing I've had that the fuel tank just collapsed on it's self the filler neck twisted off and the top of that plastic tank just fell in, real high quality.
Now if I go over to the farm it's a slew of IH, some NH a lonely Kubota and a couple Deeres.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Fiat

Part of Exor.

 

[rScotty]

Now if I go over to the farm it's a slew of IH, some NH a lonely Kubota and a couple Deeres.

I've noticed that about Kubotas, too. They don't seem to have the same need for company that other brands do. I wonder what that means?

rScotty

 

[tacticalturnip]

I've noticed that about Kubotas, too. They don't seem to have the same need for company that other brands do. I wonder what that means?

rScotty

They're solitary creatures.

 

[Yander]

Trover, your ignorance is showing. Doosan is Bobcat's parent. Just because they don't have a name familiar to you does not make them bad.

Also, there were lots of value brands back in the day. John Deere was a value brand in the tractor market (they started out making plows). That is until they got better at making tractors and marketing got better, too. The vast number of brands helped to keep prices down. The big two are actively working to imply that other brands are junk because they like the higher margins they get from the reputation. Once more people realize that most tractors are well made, they will not pay the premium.

There's a lot of ignorance and trolling going on in this thread. Though the very name of the thread invites all of the JD only and Kubota only Nazis out of the woodwork.

I do find it entertaining that some like to insinuate that it is because you can't afford a JD or a Kubota. I think it makes them feel financially superior or something.

 

[2manyrocks]

Yanmar could have been one of the leading name brands instead of Kubota if they hadn't pulled out of the US market back in the 1980s.

 

[Yander]

Yanmar could have been one of the leading name brands instead of Kubota if they hadn't pulled out of the US market back in the 1980s.

They chose, instead, to make JD a leading brand in compacts. Business model & Marketing.