Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong

   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #241  
I've never seen a telescoping boom on a PowerTrac.

And one of the things PowerTrac owners like is that there are NO computers. The brute simplicity of the machine is what most of us enjoy. Keep it simple so it's easy to work on yourself.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #242  
Probably because its not much new development in the CUT marked? So it interesting to see what may trickle down from largere machines. Tractors has been very much the same basic idea for a very long time and its quite clear that there are more than the classic way to do it.

Perhaps the real question being raised in this long reaching thread should be: when is a tractor no longer a tractor?

In some regards much of the thread seems to point toward mini-wheel loaders, or things like the Bobcat Toolcat neither of which are marketed as "tractors". It should really emphasizes the point of evaluating the tasks a person wants/needs to do and then identifying the tool to best suited for those tasks, rather than deciding to buy a new tool/tractor and then trying to figure out how to use it to accomplish the needed tasks.

While I partially understand the frustrations with the 3pt hitch, I think I'd attribute much of it to poor implementation on the tractor-side with fixed-length lift (non-telescoping) arms using turnbuckles for sway-braces. Of course I may just be weird (or using a very different technique than most) since it usually doesn't take me much more effort to hook-up a 3pt implement than it does to connect a SSQA attachment on the front. Granted my tractor came with telescoping linkends and sliding/pinned sway braces, which mean it's just a matter of getting "close enough". Which is made easier by raising the lift arms above the hitch point and then lowering them onto the pins, after backing up to a "close enough" lateral alignment. At that point it's just a matter of getting off the seat and making the connections. After reading this thread I'm tempted to time how long it takes me at some point......

What I truly don't understand is the desire/need for some implements to be front mounted or (to my mind even worse in some cases) mid-mounted. I'll grant I haven't needed to spend hours at time looking backward trying to do precision work either, so I really don't have an issue with having to occasionally look backward to ensure a mower (or other implement) is going to clear a tight spot or get as close as I want.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #243  
It's a quit bad design to have to turn around to monitor what you are doing, understandable in a historical setting but to day it's not a good solution. More and more tractors has double command and are a way more useful machine.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #245  
All good points. Especially about deciding what you want to do before buying a machine.

I'll tell you from my point of view, after 17 years of owning this Power Trac PT425, and retiring my much larger conventional tractor, an IH2500b, and eventually getting rid of it.

First, I'm not saying this is THE BEST machine for everyone, just that it's the best for my needs. I'd just like people to open their eyes to other types of machines that are out there, like these articulated ones, skid steers, tracked skid steers, compact telehandlers, etc... so here goes. ;)

Of course, loader work benefits from being out front. That we all know. But with a machine like mine, I can see the entire bucket when it's on the ground. I can't see in front of a traditional tractor, as the hood blocks the view.

The same thing goes for pallet forks. I can see the pallet (oh, no, did he say pallets?) to slip the forks under it. Can't do that with a conventional tractor.

This ease of view of the business end of the FEL arms makes things a lot easier and safer. A skid steer operator will say the same thing. I can see what I'm doing! :thumbsup:

Mowing a lawn is much easier for me with the mower deck out front. I can get into tight corners better than with a mid-mount, or rear mount. And I can go under trees and overhanging branches, like fruit trees, with much more precision and much less of a chance of knicking the bark with a rear mount deck. You can't mow under things like that with a mid-mount. Rear is better. Front is best.

Brush cutting, I have mowed down very thick 13'+ high thistle without having to drive through it first, or back over it. With the brush cutter on the FEL arms, I can raise it up in the air and mow almost vertically. I can also lift the deck up to about a foot high and take the top off of a bush or shrub, then back up and see how thick the stumps are without having to look behind me. At the end of the day, brush cutting thick brush with the cutter out front is much less fatiguing than having it behind me.

Power angle snow plow on the FEL arms is far superior to back blade. I don't have to drive through the snow before plowing it, and I can stack it 6' high. Just couldn't do that with a rear blade on a similar sized conventional tractor.

Hydraulic post hole digger on the FEL arms not only allows for easier alignment with the point on the ground where you want the hole, as you can see the spot on the ground from the operator's seat, it allows for power down, which a 3pt doesn't have, and it allows for reversing the auger if it gets stuck, which a PTO on a 3PT doesn't have.

Power brooms, mini-hoe, trencher, grapple bucket, stump grinder, power rake, cement mixer (mix and pour with the FEL arms), tree shear, post drivers.... all of those tasks are better accomplished out front where you can see them vs a conventional tractor.

Think about a snow blower on the FEL arms. Not only do you not have to turn around and watch it, you can lift it 6' in the air and tackle the tallest drifts.

One of my favorite tools is a 2" trailer hitch receiver tube mounted to a quick attach plate. I slip in a ball hitch, and I can drive right up to a trailer, see it right in front of me, put the ball in the socket, lift it up and push it anywhere I want with much greater accuracy and less fuss and no turning around if the ball was on the 3pt hitch. The operator just can't see that on the front of a conventional tractor.

Anyway, those are just some of my observations made over the past years.

If I had to plow dirt, or pull stumps, or operate large batwing mowers, or bale hay, then this machine wouldn't be for me. But I don't have to do any of those tasks. And I never have to change a 3pt implement again.

It takes me just a tad under 15 seconds to unlock and drop an implement and pick up another one and lock it into place and be on my way, and I don't have to get off the seat. If it's a powered implement, then I have to set the parking brake, unbuckle my seat belt, get off and hook up two hydraulic hoses, which adds about 30 seconds. I'll take that over a 3pt hitch any day. :)
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #246  
A PowerTrac seems to be more of an implement carrier than a tractor. The design is not optimized for pulling. So rather than saying "compact tractors are designed all wrong". Your position really is that compact tractors are designed all wrong for you. Many people who buy actual tractors do so because they need to pull things that are hard to pull.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #247  
A PowerTrac seems to be more of an implement carrier than a tractor. The design is not optimized for pulling. So rather than saying "compact tractors are designed all wrong". Your position really is that compact tractors are designed all wrong for you. Many people who buy actual tractors do so because they need to pull things that are hard to pull.

Not for me. For my needs. And for most other homeowners, estates owners, landscapers, golf courses, municipalities, landscape supply yards.... :laughing: They don't have to pull stuff.

I've said it numerous times and am in complete agreement that these machines are not for pulling. Plowing fields? Nope. Pulling stumps? Nope. Pulling haying equipment? Nope. 15' batwing mower? Nope..... although there was a member that had commercial mowing contract at estates and pulled two 60" self powered finish mowers behind the PT425 with it's 60" mower, for a total cut width of 3x60". So that's 180", which = 15' of cut, minus some overlap, of course.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/11472-power-trac-425s-mowing-season.html

So yes, if you need to pull stuff like that, get a pulling machine. If you don't need to pull stuff, there's better options out there than a conventional tractor.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #248  
Oops, they were 57" finish mowers, so only 14'6", not 15'. ;)
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #249  
What Moss said. Having owned 4 conventional tractors, a standard CUT is not ideal for most people who do not farm/plow.

Now one feature I wish I had was not only articulated steering but also front wheels that turned - would come in handy at time. It can be easy to get yourself into an awkward situation with an articulated machine - I sometimes have issues when using the forks to pull a pallet out of a tight spot while not having room to just back up straight.

Ken
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #250  
A PowerTrac seems to be more of an implement carrier than a tractor. The design is not optimized for pulling. So rather than saying "compact tractors are designed all wrong". Your position really is that compact tractors are designed all wrong for you. Many people who buy actual tractors do so because they need to pull things that are hard to pull.

Compact tractors are designed poorly regardless of the intended use. They’re the most versatile and the most common design which is a big plus for them. All tractors are a poor loader platform, and compact tractors don’t have big enough tires and often have the wrong tires and transmission to be a good pulling machine.
 

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