Chemtrails

[Mtsoxfan]

How many of you are Chemtrail believers? I have several friends who are, fanatically, but are unable to provide data. They say it is to control our availability of food etc. I have done so many searches, and all but 1 debunk it. Many many sources debunk it.
The one that "proved" it, had a bunch of pilots, scientists, making claims, but no proof. One stated that aluminum in rain proves it. I searched reasons for aluminum in rain, and coal burning, car emissions, burning of garbage seems to be reasonable explanations.
So, can anyone provide and proof that what lingers behind planes is anything but vapor trails (along with normal byproducts of burning fuel)? My friend is a pilot and he says so, does not constitute proof.
Thanks for your help.

 

[bcp]

Bruce

 

[LittleBittyBigJohn]

I don't have anything to help you. But... I did see something funny once about playing one conspiracy theory against the other. It was something about the 9-11 deniers saying that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to effect steel so the planes couldn't have taken down the towers. Then questioning them about the combustion temperature of the chemtrail fluid... I can't find it now but it was a pretty good skit.

 

[Jims1025R]

Every civil jet which can operate at those altitudes is certified by the FAA (or equivalent authority) to FAA regulation FAR 34:

"SECTION: Sec. 34.31
Amendment Number: 34-5, Effective Date: 12/31/2012

TITLE: Standards for exhaust emissions.

SECTION RULE: (a) Exhaust emissions of smoke from each in-use aircraft gas turbine engine of Class T8, beginning February 1, 1974, shall not exceed a smoke number (SN) of 30.
(b) Exhaust emissions of smoke from each in-use aircraft gas turbine engine of Class TF and of rated output of 129 kN (29,000 lb) thrust or greater, beginning January l, 1976, shall not exceed

• SN=83.6(rO) −0.274 (rO is in kN).

(c) The standards set forth in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section refer to exhaust smoke emission emitted during operation of the engine as specified in the applicable sections of subpart G of this part, and measured and calculated in accordance with the procedures set forth in subpart G."


So after a very small amount of smoke which may be emitted, the rest of what can be seen is water vapour - not any conspiracy armageddon chemical. Relax about it and enjoy life without that being a worry - your FAA has it covered for you!

 

[Mtsoxfan]

Thanks, and I am relaxed, not paranoid. I just wanted to give them an open mind, unlike what they have...

I ask their sources, they say a documentary
I ask for links, "are you calling me a liar?"
They ask my sources, I say I googled it, read 2 pages worth of links, they say, don't you know Google manipulates info?
I say, no government sources, citing universities, science research groups, etc. they say I need to search other cites ( that fall into their mindset)

 

[Locoweed]

I doubt that you will change any of the believers minds.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

I get that. I'm just gearing up to rebut when they start spewing their conspiracy theories. I usually walk away, or try to change the subject, but when they are persistent, I ask questions, pose possibilities, and give reasons why my opinion is what it is.
There are a few couples, all friends before we came onto the scene, and are goo people. But they have a common thread...

 

[ArlyA]

The "chem trails" have been there since we started to fly at proper altitudes. Then at a later date chemicals were added?

 

[tractortroof]

I have an friend who has a doctorate from an Ivy League university and swears that the earth is flat. Intelligence does not equal wisdom

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Chemtrail/Contrail Conspiracy...
When I worked at GE Aircraft Engines we used to joke about this, but the bigger laugh was that people believed it.
But on the other hand there is a liquid that is added to the engines to create the vapor trail.
We called this liquid jet fuel.

Most people when asked don't know that "contrails" is short for condensation trails.

 

[JasperFrank]

I have friend that has lived all his life on Victoria Island in BC. He is a chem-trail believer. We have had many discussions on it. I think his science is wrong, "sort of wrong," in that the burned jet fuel does introduce particulates that become condensation points that create the "cloud" that follows jets. Is this a "Chem-Trail?" Well, it sort of is. His main gripe is that in the summers, he knew growing up, the sky was always blue. Now a days, I guess there was created a flight corridor over the island and even in mid summer, the sky gets filled up with all these trails that form a thin cloud blocking direct sun light. In this, I would be a bit angry also, so I can see his point. Even if the science he believes in is slightly wrong. He thinks it is an intentional additive the airlines are putting in their fuel. I think there has just been a huge jump in the number of jets that fly over his island.

 

[Jims1025R]

Though not so pure looking when snow is the background, and the sun is the right way....

 

[Jims1025R]

"
I ask their sources, they say a documentary
I ask for links, "are you calling me a liar?"
They ask my sources, I say I googled it, read 2 pages worth of links, they say, don't you know Google manipulates info?
I say, no government sources, citing universities, science research groups, etc. they say I need to search other cites ( that fall into their mindset)"

Yeah... I continue to worry about people who act on an opinion which is formed on only selective information.

 

[Jstpssng]

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Though not so pure looking when snow is the background, and the sun is the right way....

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Those are obviously from spray booms attached under the wings.

I have an friend who has a doctorate from an Ivy League university and swears that the earth is flat. Intelligence does not equal wisdom

Prove that it isn't!!! Next you'll be claiming that they really landed on the moon!

 

[BravoXray]

Arguing with *Insert your crackpot conspiracy theory here* conspiracy theorists is like arguing with a bull. All you'll get in response is BS.

 

[MoKelly]

I have an friend who has a doctorate from an Ivy League university and swears that the earth is flat. Intelligence does not equal wisdom

Wow.

All you have to do is fly from Chicago to China and watch the flight path. There is a reason the flight goes over Alaska and it’s not that the pilots want to buy King Crabs fresh!

 

[bmaverick]

I get that. I'm just gearing up to rebut when they start spewing their conspiracy theories. I usually walk away, or try to change the subject, but when they are persistent, I ask questions, pose possibilities, and give reasons why my opinion is what it is.
There are a few couples, all friends before we came onto the scene, and are goo people. But they have a common thread...

This is a known site to learn up on it.

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This is an image database of inside various planes that spray chemicals into the air,
EXPOSED! Photos from INSIDE Chemtrail Planes Like You’ve NEVER Seen Before!

Here is Angela Merkel with German leaders touring inside one of the US planes with the media tagging along.

So this is an odd one, a plane with prop engines, yet spray as if it had jets engines.

Why would these words be on the inside of a plane?
Sprayer and HAZMAT ?

 

[bmaverick]

Fascinating eh?

 

[jyoutz]

I have an friend who has a doctorate from an Ivy League university and swears that the earth is flat. Intelligence does not equal wisdom

No doubt his degrees aren’t in science.

 

[jyoutz]

This is a known site to learn up on it.

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This is an image database of inside various planes that spray chemicals into the air,
EXPOSED! Photos from INSIDE Chemtrail Planes Like You’ve NEVER Seen Before!

Here is Angela Merkel with German leaders touring inside one of the US planes with the media tagging along.
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So this is an odd one, a plane with prop engines, yet spray as if it had jets engines.
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Why would these words be on the inside of a plane?
Sprayer and HAZMAT ?
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These planes are for cloud seeding to increase precipitation.