Can all tractors flip over easy?

[Molalla1]

Not to turn it back but a "Tunnel Rat" had it a lot harder . . .

 

[tacticalturnip]

Not to turn it back but a "Tunnel Rat" had it a lot harder . . .

Oh? Really? Someone in a warzone 50 years ago tasked with going into boobytrapped, jungle, death tunnels had it harder?

You don't say?

I'm 6'5" and weighed 260 pounds at my smallest; tight spaces terrify me, and I'm not too proud to admit it. So, yeah, I have a bit of respect and admiration for people that can squeeze their asses into wells, tunnels, etcetera, whether they're in any real danger or not.

It's almost like we view things through a lens based on our own experiences, and therefore what is and it not impressive might vary from person to person.

 

[Molalla1]

Oh? Really? Someone in a warzone 50 years ago tasked with going into boobytrapped, jungle, death tunnels had it harder?

You don't say?

I'm 6'5" and weighed 260 pounds at my smallest; tight spaces terrify me, and I'm not too proud to admit it. So, yeah, I have a bit of respect and admiration for people that can squeeze their asses into wells, tunnels, etcetera, whether they're in any real danger or not.

It's almost like we view things through a lens based on our own experiences, and therefore what is and it not impressive might vary from person to person.

Okay tacticalturnip, I think . . . most people do not akin to such behaviors, I know I do not, so let's leave it at that.

 

[tacticalturnip]

 

[npalen]

Flipping is front to back, rolling is side to side.

I have a ferguson To30 and it's not easy to roll because I have the tires flipped, which gives it an abnormally wide stance. Dragging the box blade is fine because the 3pt is mounted below the axle, so if it gets stuck on something the front wheels dig into the ground, rather than coming up.

My oliver industrial 77 is super easy to roll, because it's center of gravity is so damned high. I haven't rolled it, but I can see how it would be easy to do so.

"Flipping is front to back" so you flipped your tires front to back?

 

[mo1]

A Ford 8N will surely plow. But there are safer, easier to operate 10 year old to 20 year old compact tractors to learn on.

Ford 8N Weight
Shipping - no fluids	2,410 lbs 1093 kg
Operating	2,717 lbs 1232 kg

The compact tractor era functionally began when Henry Ford licensed Harry Ferguson's tractor and Three Point Hitch design in 1939. The tractor industry uniformly adopted the Three Point Hitch after 1955, when Ferguson's patents began to expire and his tractor and Three Point Hitch design were available to industry participants besides Ford open source.

Improvements in approximate order: Power Steering, "live" then "independent" PTOs, Rollover Protection, 4-WD, Industrial Tires, Loaders, later Loaders and attachments with SSQA couplers, synchromesh geared transmissions, Diesel Engines, heavier tractors with Category 2-3-4-5 TPH, TPH telescoping Lower Links + pin-adjustable Lower Link stabilizers, Landscaping tractors of <2,000 pounds bare tractor weight, hydrostatic transmissions, shuttle shift gear transmissions, cruise control, Cabs with heat and AC. And, continuously, shields separating operator from moving parts.

The Ford 8N was largely designed around pulling a 2-14 plow, and a lot of them did just that back in the day. Plowing is why the 3 point hitch was originally designed, before that, if a plow hit a stump or a tough patch of soil, the front wheels were coming off the ground.

The first tractor that was marketed for landscaping tasks and other not-strictly-ag purposes was the International Cub. The Ford N series were absolutely marketed as regular ag tractors and people used them as such.

Of the list of your improvements, this is the order in which they appeared, or very closely:

1. Power steering
2. Diesel engines
3. Loaders (but took a long time to go from being available and occasionally used to being ubiquitous)
4. 3 point hitch (category 1, then shortly after category 2)
5. Live and then later independent PTO
6. Synchromesh transmissions
7. Cabs with heat and A/C
8. Category 3 3-point hitches
9. ROPS
10. Full PTO shielding
11. Adjustable draft links
12. Hydrostatic transmissions
13. Practical 4WD (not MFWD)
14. Category 4 3-point hitches
15. Hydraulic reverser transmissions
16. Widespread use of MFWD
17. Loader QA
18. Pin or tube 3 point draft link stabilizers rather than chains
19. Industrial tires on tractors

 

[dirttoys]

I think the OP is talking about flipping over backwards. Any tractor can do that but I will say a 70yr old 20hp machine is not the machine to plow new ground with.

Nor a new sub compact...........

Best,

ed

 

[Egon]

The Ford 8N was largely designed around pulling a 2-14 plow, and a lot of them did just that back in the day. Plowing is why the 3 point hitch was originally designed, before that, if a plow hit a stump or a tough patch of soil, the front wheels were coming off the ground.

The first tractor that was marketed for landscaping tasks and other not-strictly-ag purposes was the International Cub. The Ford N series were absolutely marketed as regular ag tractors and people used them as such.

Of the list of your improvements, this is the order in which they appeared, or very closely:

1. Power steering
2. Diesel engines
3. Loaders (but took a long time to go from being available and occasionally used to being ubiquitous)
4. 3 point hitch (category 1, then shortly after category 2)
5. Live and then later independent PTO
6. Synchromesh transmissions
7. Cabs with heat and A/C
8. Category 3 3-point hitches
9. ROPS
10. Full PTO shielding
11. Adjustable draft links
12. Hydrostatic transmissions
13. Practical 4WD (not MFWD)
14. Category 4 3-point hitches
15. Hydraulic reverser transmissions
16. Widespread use of MFWD
17. Loader QA
18. Pin or tube 3 point draft link stabilizers rather than chains
19. Industrial tires on tractors

The Ford 8N was largely designed around pulling a 2-14 plow, and a lot of them did just that back in the day. Plowing is why the 3 point hitch was originally designed, before that, if a plow hit a stump or a tough patch of soil, the front wheels were coming off the ground.

Many drawbar hitch implements had quick release couplings.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I'm a quick release coupling.

 

[Ernie-32]

Thanks Jigs, for taking the time to describe and explain. I regret however that you do not react to any other of my other remarks. I saw an animation of what should have happened if a plain crahsed into a steel tower/concrete skyscraper and again this convinced me what a load of b.s. this whole official story is, not even speaking of the war on innocent people that followed.

Maybe better to stop here. This has nothing to do with tractors...

 

[scootr]

Can we get back to the discussion we all came here for?
I'm sure there are forums where somebody cares about your 20 yr conspiracy theory - but this isn't it.

 

[Ernie-32]

Can we get back to the discussion we all came here for? I'm sure there are forums where somebody cares about your 20 yr conspiracy theory - but this isn't it.

You didn't read my last line...

 

[CobyRupert]

Can all tractors flip over easily?

No, sometimes you really have to work at it.

 

[Egon]

I'm a quick release coupling.
You surely can be. It’ll take less than two second‘s to disconnect you from your Tractor.

 

[jwmorris]

I thought about buying an older tractor like an 8N, but then I started reading about them flipping over. I'm sure you can use common sense be pretty safe, but I got to thinking that maybe all tractors could flip? Was looking for advice on safety. I was thinking I probably need a sub compact now because they look safer, but I could be fooling myself.

I started driving one of the 8N’s we have when I was 11. Probably the most dangerous incident that has occurred in the 39 years since then was ~ 20 years ago mowing dow an old trail where someone had left a stump short enough vegetation could grow over it to make it not visible but not low enough it could be mowed over.

Rear tire climbed stump tilting the tractor then it hit them it stopped instantly as the long came between the tire and bush hog. The steering wheel became a “seat belt“ at that instant with a little bruising. I cut that stump off flush as well as any others since or leave them closer to 4 ft + high so they are not low enough to become camouflaged.

Neither of the two we have have been rolled, that said none of the other tractors we have have been rolled either. Including the tricycle Farmall Super MTA, that is really intended more for row crops than what we use it for. Much higher center of gravity and being a tricycle like the killer ATC’s that were banned in the US back in 86-87.

I am not sure one could ensure they never roll a tractor because I have seen some folks that could break an anvil with a rubber mallet but being scared of being hurt or killed goes a long way towards making the right decisions. Many “accidents“ happen to people that really know better and just take risks that are needless. If any activity is recorded, you can bet someone didn’t think was safe.

 

[Fordy20]

I think this one would be quite safe.

 

[Molalla1]

Talk about slammed!