Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels.

   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #21  
Paragraph 1....I don稚 want dietary advise

Paragraph 2.....I知 looking for ways to lower my blood sugar and cholesterol

Is this a prank post!?!?

I agree,, I think the OP needs to learn a little,,

he says his waist is 38 inches,,
so if that is correct for him, his height must be WELL over 2 meters, (6'7")

I am 6'7", and have a 40" waist, and I need to loose a LOT of weight to hit a "normal" BMI

According to the on-line calculators, my BMI is still 23 pounds above normal.

If he is over 6'7",, drink the wine, eat the porridge,,

There ain't no magic trick that a little cinnamon will perform, diet change is necessary,,

Even the famed magician Penn Jillette used diet change to loose weight,,,

penn jillette weight loss - Google Search
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #22  
I got my triglycerides from 380 down to 155 and then 90 by cutting out alcohol for the most part (still have a drink every now and then) and changing my diet to basically a dirty keto diet. My cholesterol went down from 230 to 167. Diet and alcohol have a lot to do with it.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #23  
I eat a cup of oats every morning. To that I add a cup of frozen berries, a teaspoon of cinnamon, and a tablespoon of either flaxseed, hemp seeds, or chia seeds. The berries are nice because they very quickly cool down the hot oatmeal and really sweeten it.

On a side note, I am four months into a whole food plant based diet. Results are mixed, but I have not been as diligent as I need to be.

:thumbsup:

Since the OP just wants to know about supplements/food to ADD my suggestion to him would be to get it from research studies. There is a DR that reviews thousands of research studies and he has a web site. it's not just for heart disease but also other ailments. Dr. Greger is my go to reference whenever I have a nutritional question - all research no hype. Here is a link, I searched heart disease and came up with a lot of his research on studies of different supplements/food/spices for heart disease. I have spoken to him in person and am overwhelmed with his knowledge.

Search

You can also specifically search blood sugar and/or cholesterol for more information on those studies of individual foods/spices/suplements that are beneficial to specific problems - all research based.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #24  
Cinnamon is among the ingredients in my homemade granola using organic rolled oats. (No, I’m not an organic fanatic. When organic is on sale and priced the same as or less than conventional, why not?)


If you are truly concerned about trying to attain your goals “drug free” then ditch the booze. And yes we can ALL find articles citing the benefits of a couple of glasses of wine. It’s also about choices.

Here’s a typical lunch

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And dinner

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Good luck
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #25  
Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately nobody has addressed the purpose of the OP. I am not seeking dietary advice. There is a plethora of information on the internet regarding good practice for both cholesterol and blood sugar control. There are a huge number of government, diabetes organisations and other sources from all over the world with websites and articles specifically relating to diabetes and cholesterol. On the whole they all agree, the exception being the various keto diets, which appear to be yet another 吐ad idea very similar to Paleo and Atkins diets.

The reason for the OP, and as stated therein, was to enquire whether any member had suggestions for adding something (similar to the addition of cinnamon to my porridge) that had assisted them to lower either or both blood sugar and cholesterol levels. The question still stands.

A few comments on some suggestions:-

I do not need to lose weight. I have shorts and trousers bought decades ago with a 38 waist and that I still wear. The suggestion from the heart specialist at my discharge consultation was that I keep the sugar and cholesterol levels down because any long term future problems would most likely be due to either becoming diabetic or cholesterol increasing. If I kept them in check there was no reason to think I would ever have a repeat problem. I am not on any medication relating to blood sugar, but, reluctantly, I am currently on a course to help lower cholesterol. A major aim is to cease this medication. I was told the partial artery blockages were calcium and a normal ageing process expectation, nothing to do with my diet.

One to two glasses of dry red wine with dinner (about 125ml/4 US ounces per glass) is not only considered to be not a problem, it is recommended by many in the medical profession. I am presently not allowed to do anything very much by way of exercise, only short gentle walks. These are somewhat restricted due to the fact that I have four rather large cuts on one leg where they removed some vein to perform the artery bypasses. I am not allowed to lift more than one kilo (2+ pounds) and am not to raise my arms above my head, nor am I to drive. I have another month of these restrictions before I can begin to return to my normal 40 hours or thereabouts a week of physical exercise, which ranges from light to strenuous as I do my daily work around the farm. My three meals a day are normally taken about 9 a.m., 2 p.m. and 7.30 to 8 p.m. so there is a natural fasting period broken with 澱reak fast?

We do not eat any pre-prepared foods. The only processed food is the occasional slice of bacon or ham. We have always had a low salt, low sugar and high fibre diet. My wife does not add any salt or sugar to meals she prepares, but of course there are some naturally in foods. The only oil she ever uses is our own extra virgin olive oil. I do not drink any soft drinks. The reason I mentioned my wife being trained in nutrition was not to claim she was an expert nutritionist, but to show that she understood about dietary requirements in general and the contents of purchased groceries. It is indeed a long time since she trained, but her knowledge is up to date, and has been refreshed over the last few weeks as she has sought sources of information to assist her when I returned home. As stated, there is a lot of info out there.

The porridge I have for breakfast is simply rolled whole oats with nothing added. As mentioned in the OP I now add cinnamon as I have seen several references to it being useful in relation to lowering sugar levels. On that note, my readings in hospital were as high as 274 with many in the 230 to 260 range. I was an inpatient for 4 weeks and tested up to 3 times a day. Anything over 200 warranted an insulin shot. Since returning home and porridge every morning, I have never reached 200. Porridge is also widely recommended for general heart health and cholesterol lowering.

There is nothing "fad" about keto diets. We weren't evolved to eat a processed grain diet, we're more or less meat eaters. Heavy carbohydrates are something that we as humans have artificially introduced into our diets at out detriment for a large part. Now if you run marathons, you need to be supplementing carbs, otherwise, keto is a healthier way to live.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #26  
And for what it's worth I am 6'8" and my waist is 38", and I definitely could lose an inch or two, but bmi is pure horsesh!t. Don't be suckered into subscribing to that tool of liberal ideology and populace control.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #27  
My opinion is BMI is just a guideline and best if accepted for that concept alone.

Most people (subconsciously at the very least) KNOW if they are overweight or not.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #28  
My opinion is BMI is just a guideline and best if accepted for that concept alone.

Most people (subconsciously at the very least) KNOW if they are overweight or not.

That's a good way to look at it. Otherwise it was devised to guilt strong americans into impoverishing themselves for the betterment of humanity. No one can be big and strong and fit within the guidelines of the bmi. It's a liberal tool and don't anyone forget it. A college football running back can be 7% body fat and still be obese by the bmi standard. They offer no allowance for tall people either. Many nba players are obese. At 6'8" 245lbs and athletic, I'm listed as overweight or obese. It's important that we reject these liberal tools for classifying human behavior and habits.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #29  
My spouse worked in cardiac rehab for many years. People she seen had a heat attach, stroke or a clot someplace in there body it shouldn't have been and they all have something in common. They worked super hard. They were already in good shape and not over weight either. Whats wrong with this picture??? :thumbsup:
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #30  
My spouse worked in cardiac rehab for many years. People she seen had a heat attach, stroke or a clot someplace in there body it shouldn't have been and they all have something in common. They worked super hard. They were already in good shape and not over weight either. Whats wrong with this picture??? :thumbsup:

I have no answer for your wife’s experience. When I was in cardiac rehab the vast majority of clients were overweight. Not trying to make a statement. Just an observation, same as your wife’s.

Maybe the overweight patients weren’t able to make it to rehab ?
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #31  
My spouse worked in cardiac rehab for many years. People she seen had a heat attach, stroke or a clot someplace in there body it shouldn't have been and they all have something in common. They worked super hard. They were already in good shape and not over weight either. Whats wrong with this picture??? :thumbsup:

Stress is a VERY common cause of heart attack,,
When I worked for GE, we somehow found out some data about the retirement program,,

(IIRC, we managed to back-calculate it based on data about the retirement program)

on average, a GE retiree only received 13 pension checks (monthly),, and then they were gone,,

GE was a VERY high stress job,,
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #32  
. At 6'8" 245lbs and athletic, I'm listed as overweight or obese. It's important that we reject these liberal tools for classifying human behavior and habits.

There was a HUGE Australian study on men, weight and heart attacks.

Specifically, for men 60 to 70 years old, they found the lowest percentage of heart attacks occurred to men that were 10 to 15 pounds over the max "normal" BMI.

Those with normal and under,, as well as those men that were over normal BMI + 15 were found to have a MUCH higher percentage of heart attacks,,
I needed to pick a weight to shoot for (my doctor refused to specify a weight) ,, so I chose normal MAX BMI plus fifteen pounds,,

Right now, I need to loose 7 to 10 pounds to hit MY goal,, I have not been that light since the 1970's,,
I plan on hitting that weight in 1-2 months,,
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #33  
There was a HUGE Australian study on men, weight and heart attacks.

Specifically, for men 60 to 70 years old, they found the lowest percentage of heart attacks occurred to men that were 10 to 15 pounds over the max "normal" BMI.

Those with normal and under,, as well as those men that were over normal BMI + 15 were found to have a MUCH higher percentage of heart attacks,,
I needed to pick a weight to shoot for (my doctor refused to specify a weight) ,, so I chose normal MAX BMI plus fifteen pounds,,

Right now, I need to loose 7 to 10 pounds to hit MY goal,, I have not been that light since the 1970's,,
I plan on hitting that weight in 1-2 months,,

Can you link me up with that study I'd like to read it?
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #34  
For some it may be best to skip BMI and scales. Best indicator would be an HONEST look at yourself in the mirror. Better yet take a selfie bare chested. Then make a decision.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #35  
Stress is a VERY common cause of heart attack,,
When I worked for GE, we somehow found out some data about the retirement program,,

(IIRC, we managed to back-calculate it based on data about the retirement program)

on average, a GE retiree only received 13 pension checks (monthly),, and then they were gone,,

GE was a VERY high stress job,,

Decades ago, well into last century when I was in school, I had a job dealing with retirement issues. Most retirees from the big company I was working for at the time, died within two years of retirement. I always put it down to the stress of leaving a company they loved, leaving coworkers who were family, and retiring from a company they respected and strongly identified with. Not issues I see being repeated today. :rolleyes:

Later,
Dan
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #36  
And for what it's worth I am 6'8" and my waist is 38", and I definitely could lose an inch or two, but bmi is pure horsesh!t. Don't be suckered into subscribing to that tool of liberal ideology and populace control.

No kidding. When I got married at 23 I weighed 230 lbs and had a 33"waist and I'm just shy of 6'3". I was ripped and an athlete. But, according to some of these figures I was obese... OK. :confused2:
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels.
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#37  
Is this a prank post!?!?

Of course it is not a prank post. You did not properly read my OP when you first replied. I asked a specific question and you immediately attacked porridge. It is generally acknowledged around the world that it is good to eat simple rolled oats either cooked or uncooked. Smothering them in sugar/honey/treacle/dried fruits is not good. Nor it seems is processing to make them 妬nstant? Another poster also condemns porridge so you are not alone, but definitely at odds with what appears to be the majority of the medical profession and those who treated me. I was most impressed with the number of different doctors who spoke to me (and others) during my four weeks in the two hospitals, particularly that they always seemed to have lots of time to speak to patients. Pre-op consultation, presumably for all patients, was with a team of 16 doctors and two nurses. I had a couple of fairly lengthy consultations regarding my diet within a few days of being admitted to hospital, including, so far back as I could recall, everything I had eaten and drunk at each meal prior to admission. No problems according to those who interviewed me.

My OP states that the head cardiologist told me I was not obese. Her decision, not mine. The second hospital, which did the surgery, made no mention of weight loss either. I carry a lot of muscle not as much as even semi-serious body builders, but quite a lot, and no doubt due to some weight training for about the last 60 years as well as consistent physical effort every day in my farming activities. One doctor made the comment that due to my muscularity I needed to be extra careful not to bring my chest muscles into use in the early stages of recuperation. My chest measurement is 50 and I have legs and arms to match. Weight on the scales and BMI, as others have already pointed out, make no allowance for muscularity. The winner of the Mr Olympia from 1992 to 1997, Dorian Yates, is 178cms, the same height as me (the reason I remember him so well) and weighed around 150 pounds more than me.

The written advice from the operating hospital is é„*void excessive consumption of alcohol? This is a wine growing country and wine with meals is normal, as it is around the rest of the Mediterranean. Doctors have no problem with this and undoubtedly they all have wine with their meals too. One has the parting remark ?.... and some red wine? I repeat that my discharge consultation included advice to keep my blood sugar and cholesterol levels down on the basis that if there was any long term future problem it would probably arise only from high levels of either. It is sensible to follow that advice. I merely asked for the personal experience of other TBN members, but have been inundated instead with people telling me I have to change my diet and lose weight this is contrary to what the specialist medics who treated me have said.

Perhaps best if you all forget I asked.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels.
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#38  
:thumbsup:

Since the OP just wants to know about supplements/food to ADD my suggestion to him would be to get it from research studies.


Thanks. This what we do. I had hoped for some personal experience responses to my question, but it seems that is not going to happen. Thanks also for the link. I have had a quick look and will follow it through in more detail.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #39  
Regardless, I wish you well with your recovery and rehab.
 
   / Blood Sugar and Cholesterol levels. #40  
Not for everyone but I eat KETO. When I started I dropped 30 pounds and am now 188-190 and 6' 3" tall. I'm diabetic and blood sugars dropped tremendously with no medication. Walk at least two miles daily and do physical work as I have time as my regular job is a desk job. Part of the reason we own an acreage. As a diabetic if I eat what the dietitians tell me to my blood sugar is really high. KETO works for me but is for sure not for everyone as your body runs on fat instead of carbs. Some doctors really do not like it and think it is horrible. My doc is good with my diet and it has been good to me so far. I do not have cravings like I used to before KETO. However, I do miss ice cream.
 

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