Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Jstpssng]

Sounds like great stuff for the rich birthing/non-birthing persons!
The poor, non south facing, non home owning, no garage having, apartment/townhouse/condo living, smaller bank account, ~250 million other Americans will have to be environmentally bad people and drive their shameful, inefficient ICE vehicles.
How many beautiful trees need to be cut down so solar panels will work efficiently?
The rich keep getting richer and better than the great unwashed by the day! Funny how that works. Seems “unfair”, though. Lol
IMO, too many Americans are left out. The only way you can be a perfectly green little citizen is with big money.
The aim should be to get a lot more Americans driving EVs, because the goal should be a cleaner environment, not just end up with the rich to subtly guilt those who can’t afford EVs.

No, as much as I hate to admit it the goal should be to get more people to use public transportation. At the end of the day though, all of the talk about EV vs ICE is merely tilting windmills, until people stop ignoring the elephant in the room- the planet's ever increasing population.

 

[cqaigy2]

Tomorrow, I am driving our Prius Prime 850 or so miles north to visit my elderly parents. I will need about 12 gallons of gas and no prolonged stops unless we want a break from driving. If I was driving an EV, I would need to stop for a couple of hours 2 or 3 times at a minimum. This would turn my 12.5 hour drive into 16-18 hour marathon. Most likely, it would mean I would need to stay in a hotel along the way, eat more meals out and...wait for it...use more power and a ultimately contribute more total CO2 to the environment than the 12 gallons of gas I will use.

It might be true if you are comparing the power used to the gasoline, but probably not if you figure the amount of power used for the same time period.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

No, as much as I hate to admit it the goal should be to get more people to use public transportation. At the end of the day though, all of the talk about EV vs ICE is merely tilting windmills, until people stop ignoring the elephant in the room- the planet's ever increasing population.

Actually the elephant has been put on a diet for decades in many countries and we are more concerned about population implosion. The shortage of people is getting to be a serious matter. China's population is to start a long term decline in 2030. After that all population growth will mainly be in India and Africa.

 

[goeduck]

Actually the elephant has been put on a diet for decades in many countries and we are more concerned about population implosion. The shortage of people is getting to be a serious matter. China's population is to start a long term decline in 2030.

It's about time. I wish that was the case here including incomming.

"Shortage of people" has never made sense to me.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Tesla reports more than $1 billion in net income during Q2, up tenfold from a year ago

Elon Musk's electric vehicle company beat expectations on both the top and bottom lines, and passed $1 billion in quarterly net income for the first time.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

It's about time. I wish that was the case here including incomming.

"Shortage of people" has never made sense to me.

I think it's actually more of a shortage of employable people. This shortage of qualified people is preventing some of the companies from doing their larger rollout with EVs. Elon Musk has picked up 90,000 people making over minimum wage tightening up the supply. While he does not do direct advertisement for car sales he is always doing promos to bring awareness to college students about coming to work for them. They are battery and people restrained today.

 

[Frankenkubota]

That was mentioned in this thread days, maybe weeks ago.

just was on the news a couple days ago

 

[Jstpssng]

Actually the elephant has been put on a diet for decades in many countries and we are more concerned about population implosion. The shortage of people is getting to be a serious matter. China's population is to start a long term decline in 2030. After that all population growth will mainly be in India and Africa.

We're constantly under criticism for not doing enough toward health problems in those same regions you mention. When that get's addressed, Africa is going to become the new China in a lot of ways. While the world population has increased 2 1/2 times in the last 60 years, that of the US has only doubled... and a percentage of that is from immigration. You can't expect that much of an increase without having some type of impact.

I've been following this thread from the start, but had nothing to say because the main posters have forgotten more on the subject than I will ever know.

I don't think that EVs are the panacea which some would like us to believe but they have their place, and will continue to grow in popularity, thanks to the believers who are currently supporting the technology. For one thing we are merely shifting our pollution problems to another continent; just as we did with much of our manufacturing base.

I'm waiting for the Maverick to come out as it's more suited for my needs; decent mileage for trips, especially when I drive 200 miles to visit my mother for the day. I make about a dozen trips per day back and forth to my garden 1/4 mile up the road... if I'm not mistaken I could do that on battery. My Colorado will have around 75K on it by then, and I would park it in the garage for when I need it.

GM is also scheduled to come out with something next year, but they just shut the nearest dealer down, apparently because it's too small. I don't care to buy another one of their products.

 

[3930dave]

EVs of today have a very narrow use case…but for that use case they are fine (moderate weather, moderate daily use).

^ This.

One of the top reasons I don't want to see all of the eggs in one basket.

I've done Winter commutes I wouldn't wish on anybody....... 1 hourish drives, that turned into 2.5+ or +++. Having to keep massive amounts of heat on a windshield to keep it clear during an ice-storm.... I'd hate to be watching a battery display while doing that.

Today, in a large metro area like Toronto, a 1+ hour commute is "normal". So it's not just rural long haulers who have to consider this Winter de- rating aspect.

Rgds, D.

 

[Jstpssng]

^ This.

One of the top reasons I don't want to see all of the eggs in one basket.

I've done Winter commutes I wouldn't wish on anybody....... 1 hourish drives, that turned into 2.5+ or +++. Having to keep massive amounts of heat on a windshield to keep it clear during an ice-storm.... I'd hate to be watching a battery display while doing that.

Today, in a large metro area like Toronto, a 1+ hour commute is "normal". So it's not just rural long haulers who have to consider this Winter de- rating aspect.

Rgds, D.

Yours is a question I've been waiting to see addressed. It's 200 miles to my mother's house... apparently just about the range of most EVs. If I drive down at night, how does running headlights, heat, and windshield wipers affect that range? If there's an accident on the highway and I'm stuck there for an hour; what powers the heater? (and dome light, so that I don't get run into.)
I try not to let my fuel tank get below 1/2 for those reasons, for me an EV is pushing the envelope and goes against every survival tool that I use.

 

[3930dave]

No they do a pretty good job of listing them all. Supercharger stations are proprietary to Tesla and only work on Tesla vehicles. Apparently there are no charging adapter standards (the plug or the Voltage/Amps) so its the Wild West. Perhaps one place a government mandated standard would benefit us.

I imagine the uptake on gasoline vehicles would have been much slower, if different manufacturers insisted used proprietary fill nozzles.

Legacy mindset from gasoline, that affects even EVers...... gasoline is so ubiquitous that for the areas most people travel, very few people ever consider "will there be a gas station ?". Given the build it and they will come aspect of Superchargers, I couldn't imagine that Tesla would not list them all.

I suspected as much with EVs today (plug etc standards).... hadn't gone off researching that issue, but as that's more typical of the 'Valley than Detroit, I'm not surprised.

Disappointed, but not surprised.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Yours is a question I've been waiting to see addressed. It's 200 miles to my mother's house... apparently just about the range of most EVs. If I drive down at night, how does running headlights, heat, and windshield wipers affect that range? If there's an accident on the highway and I'm stuck there for an hour; what powers the heater? (and dome light, so that I don't get run into.)
I try not to let my fuel tank get below 1/2 for those reasons, for me an EV is pushing the envelope and goes against every survival tool that I use.

Tapping away today about Winter conditions, I was thinking about roadside issues.

Used to be common practice on major Toronto expressways - highway was patrolled by trucks with gas cans on-board. Somebody ran out of gas, they'd throw a gallon or 2 in your tank for free, just to quickly clear you off the road. I'll miss that immediacy of hydrocarbons, if they do disappear in my lifetime.

Like you, I don't let my tanks run low, esp. in Winter. All that extra power has to come from somewhere, ICE or Battery.

Worst case, running low on gas or diesel in the country...... I could pull into a big farm "hey, sorry to be a pain, but can I pay you cash (I still carry that legacy sfuff) for 20-40 L of fuel". Cash exchanged, 10 minutes later, I'm out of their hair.

Vs. "Hey, do you mind clearing all that stuff out of your service shop, so I can park near your Welder outlet for 2 hours ? ".

As I'm loathe to ask for help in general, I couldn't see myself doing option 2.....

Fossil fuel is an addiction, but a very versatile and capable one.....

I've been banging on about Winter travel (for good reason), but obviously heat is a non-trivial issue as well. Roads get more disruptions typically in Winter, but all it takes is one major accident in the Summer to close a highway.

While I don't use mine much up here, after having been in the American SW during the Summer I get that A/C is critical.

Rgds, D.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yours is a question I've been waiting to see addressed. It's 200 miles to my mother's house... apparently just about the range of most EVs. If I drive down at night, how does running headlights, heat, and windshield wipers affect that range? If there's an accident on the highway and I'm stuck there for an hour; what powers the heater? (and dome light, so that I don't get run into.)
I try not to let my fuel tank get below 1/2 for those reasons, for me an EV is pushing the envelope and goes against every survival tool that I use.

What happens if you are on a trip in your EV and while stuck in a typical NYC or WDC traffic jam, your EV battery goes dead? 1000 cars, bumper to bumper behind you and in front of you?
Who/how will they get to you to recharge you?
Cynical, but it’s more of a problem than one thinks.
You can’t just “add a few gallons” to an EV. It takes time to access the vehicle and recharge while blocking traffic.
Others are bound to go dead in the ensuing wait while the original dead vehicle is waiting for/to an emergency charge.

 

[MossRoad]

just was on the news a couple days ago

May 10th..

Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

Another new electric vehicle, to be revealed on November 17 by Ford Looks to be the Blue Ovals competition in the Small Cross Over Class for the yet to be sold Tesla Model Y. Named the Mach E 300+ mile range in the higher line AWD model and 150kw fast charge, Charges 47 miles every...

www.tractorbynet.com

 

[MossRoad]

What happens if you are on a trip in your EV and while stuck in a typical NYC or WDC traffic jam, your EV battery goes dead? Lol

You become a roadside attraction.

 

[Hay Dude]

You become a roadside attraction.

Cute answer, but it’s going to be more of a middle of the road attraction.
There’s nowhere to go!

 

[Jstpssng]

Cute answer, but it’s going to be more of a middle of the road attraction.
There’s nowhere to go!

In theory if you aren't moving you won't be using power. (You don't need AC in the middle of the city in your state do you?) They're starting to build gas vehicles which shut off after 30 seconds of idling... going against everything I've ever learned about letting the oil pressure get up before stepping on the gas. Most people that I know use the bypass button for that feature.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

BYD Celebrates Production Of 100,000th Han

BYD also builds electric buses ( one factory in CA) and garbage trucks as well. Warren Buffett has done well with his 10% investment over the years. Toyota is jumping into battery only EVs by using the BYD (Build Your Dream) skate board to put under their car bodies. BYD and Tesla are similar in some ways.

 

[MossRoad]

In theory if you aren't moving you won't be using power. (You don't need AC in the middle of the city in your state do you?) They're starting to build gas vehicles which shut off after 30 seconds of idling... going against everything I've ever learned about letting the oil pressure get up before stepping on the gas. Most people that I know use the bypass button for that feature.

You ever been in DC in the summer? Last time we were there, about 7-8 years ago, it was 100F on the mall. Stopped in traffic on a 5 lane for a couple hours in any major metro area in temps over 85 could get brutal very fast.

 

[Hay Dude]

It’s a future problem that nobody seems to address.
Maybe a drone can hover over dead cars and recharge?
Wont work in tunnels…