Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[txdon]

Perhaps like it is for child support?

I don't pay child support so that does not help.

 

[txdon]

In the USA is if you have a social security number you have no privacy financially speaking.

What about the millions in Texas who don't have a SS number, who just kind of walked over here?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I don't pay child support so that does not help.

Where one pays or does not pay child support has no bearing on the fine setting question.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

What about the millions in Texas who don't have a SS number, who just kind of walked over here?

Why don't you just start a thread on that subject.

 

[MossRoad]

Mission Valley's John Hine Mazda closing its doors after 64 years in San Diego

Technology is not only changing the cars we buy but also HOW we buy them. Sounds like Carvana is making a huge impact as traditional car dealerships fade away since pure EV makers tend not to outsource sales to third parties.

Carvana only sells used cars. They don't sell new cars. They are not a car company. They don't make cars. They don't make EVs. They don't do car repairs or warranty service. They are a used car lot. That's it.

According to John Hine:

"Hine said a combination of factors, rather than one or two reasons, led to the decision to sell the 1545 Camino del Rio South location, including the prospect of “having to do a major facility upgrade” to the dealership that would cost several million dollars. Sometimes real estate property values get to a point where the business model won’t support the carrying cost of a property long term and what you have to do with that property,” said the 66-year-old Hine, who has worked 50 years at the dealership founded by his father, John Hine Sr."

 

[MossRoad]

Very interesting given their plentiful supply of fossil fuels. Maybe even Russia is tired of the pollution?

That's funny!

Russia's entire country is based on a large scale scam. They do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want, any time they want. Since we all know that is the case in Russia, we can pretty easily make the guess that electric cars in Russia are going to be a big scam. Large scale grift on the industrial scale.

 

[Jchonline]

That's funny!

Russia's entire country is based on a large scale scam. They do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want, any time they want. Since we all know that is the case in Russia, we can pretty easily make the guess that electric cars in Russia are going to be a big scam. Large scale grift on the industrial scale.

Crazy but I was watching this video last night. Ironically they have TERRIBLE air pollution. They leave their cars running continuously in the winter (parked, abandoned while they sleep) because if they don't the oil will freeze. Who would have though the coldest city in Russia would have bad air pollution.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Carvana only sells used cars. They don't sell new cars. They are not a car company. They don't make cars. They don't make EVs. They don't do car repairs or warranty service. They are a used car lot. That's it.

According to John Hine:

"Hine said a combination of factors, rather than one or two reasons, led to the decision to sell the 1545 Camino del Rio South location, including the prospect of “having to do a major facility upgrade” to the dealership that would cost several million dollars. Sometimes real estate property values get to a point where the business model won’t support the carrying cost of a property long term and what you have to do with that property,” said the 66-year-old Hine, who has worked 50 years at the dealership founded by his father, John Hine Sr."

Carvana Claims They Offer a New Way to Buy a Car… Hmmm… – DealerRefresh

Used car dealers with a Walmart like buy back offer is a new one on me. They must be making money if they could buy dealerships that could not make a go of it at that location cost wise. I'm glad the family found an exit in the changing auto market where dealership headcount needs to be drastically reduced in the USA.

 

[MossRoad]

Crazy but I was watching this video last night. Ironically they have TERRIBLE air pollution. They leave their cars running continuously in the winter (parked, abandoned while they sleep) because if they don't the oil will freeze. Who would have though the coldest city in Russia would have bad air pollution.

How do we think those EV batteries will hold up at -58F?

Here's a nice story about a guy that took his Tesla from New York to Vermont in winter. He admits, he made some mistakes.

Tesla Has A Temperature Problem

Battery experts confirm it, and the driving public needs to understand it.

www.forbes.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Crazy but I was watching this video last night. Ironically they have TERRIBLE air pollution. They leave their cars running continuously in the winter (parked, abandoned while they sleep) because if they don't the oil will freeze. Who would have though the coldest city in Russia would have bad air pollution.

WOW that was awesome info. That would be a hard place to make a living farming. There was a film about a coal
mining company that used small Ford tractors I believe and they went years without shutting down. I think they actually had a way to change the oil with them running.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Thanks for that awesome article. I was surprised that she referred to Eli Musk by his new corporate title. Sounds like Tesla has some work to do before they send the Cyber truck to Mars.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Schlumberger New Energy and Panasonic Energy of North America Announce Strategic Collaboration on New Battery-Grade Lithium Production Process | Schlumberger

It is good to read the old
oil service industry is moving to producing solutions for EV batteries.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to electric vehicles

This is rather telling about EV readiness.

 

[3930dave]

How do we think those EV batteries will hold up at -58F?

Here's a nice story about a guy that took his Tesla from New York to Vermont in winter. He admits, he made some mistakes.

Tesla Has A Temperature Problem

Battery experts confirm it, and the driving public needs to understand it.

www.forbes.com

Old story up here, but often not widely known amongst non-techical people, before they buy an EV.

I don't do the mega-Winter commutes I used to, but if I still did, present EVs would be off the table for that task.

One thing odd with that story....Supercharger locations. I've never looked, but I can't imagine Tesla doesn't have every Supercharger on the planet listed on their site.

Rgds, D.

 

[Torvy]

The bias is that 100% EV is 'ahead' and less than that is 'behind'. The fact is that Toyota's Prime line (Prius and Rav4 at the moment) are far superior overall to any EV for most uses. An EV is only useful if you are a commuter. Anyone who travels more than about 200 miles at any time would be grossly inconvenienced by an EV. Even the fast charging stations take way too long.

Tomorrow, I am driving our Prius Prime 850 or so miles north to visit my elderly parents. I will need about 12 gallons of gas and no prolonged stops unless we want a break from driving. If I was driving an EV, I would need to stop for a couple of hours 2 or 3 times at a minimum. This would turn my 12.5 hour drive into 16-18 hour marathon. Most likely, it would mean I would need to stay in a hotel along the way, eat more meals out and...wait for it...use more power and a ultimately contribute more total CO2 to the environment than the 12 gallons of gas I will use.

Toyota is trying to slow the EV roll precisely because they are ahead on better alternatives and when the government starts trying to decide what is better in a fluid situation, they tend to make really bad decisions that benefit their constituents or donors rather than the country as a whole.

Sidebar - to those advocating a flat tax...a national sales tax makes more sense. Sales taxes are harder to avoid so everyone pays. Income taxes are only paid by people who make money legally. Don't worry about those who are 'poor'. As a benevolent society, we have programs for those people. Who cares if they pay in sales tax along the way, they will get back many times more than that in government payments. Some of our states with the best state government budgets (liberal and conservative) are among the handful who do not tax incomes. Of course, the only way you get that solution is by amendment to abolish the income tax...wishful thinking.

 

[3930dave]

This would turn my 12.5 hour drive into 16-18 hour marathon.

Toyota is trying to slow the EV roll precisely because they are ahead on better alternatives and when the government starts trying to decide what is better in a fluid situation, they tend to make really bad decisions that benefit their constituents or donors rather than the country as a whole.

Eggs, meet Basket......

Many people would just fly that distance, and not consider anything else. While not a nervous flyer, I too value being able to make long drives at my discretion and preference.

Your 16-18 hours might be a little light. In some areas, lining up for chargers already happens on a regular day, let alone a holiday weekend.

While I want to see EVs continue to progress in technology and market-share, cramming all those eggs into one basket will be sub-optimal IMO.

Rgds, D.

 

[Egon]

I haven’t got a clue On how it’s figured but suspect it may involve tax returns!

 

[Hay Dude]

The bias is that 100% EV is 'ahead' and less than that is 'behind'. The fact is that Toyota's Prime line (Prius and Rav4 at the moment) are far superior overall to any EV for most uses. An EV is only useful if you are a commuter. Anyone who travels more than about 200 miles at any time would be grossly inconvenienced by an EV. Even the fast charging stations take way too long.

Tomorrow, I am driving our Prius Prime 850 or so miles north to visit my elderly parents. I will need about 12 gallons of gas and no prolonged stops unless we want a break from driving. If I was driving an EV, I would need to stop for a couple of hours 2 or 3 times at a minimum. This would turn my 12.5 hour drive into 16-18 hour marathon. Most likely, it would mean I would need to stay in a hotel along the way, eat more meals out and...wait for it...use more power and a ultimately contribute more total CO2 to the environment than the 12 gallons of gas I will use.

Toyota is trying to slow the EV roll precisely because they are ahead on better alternatives and when the government starts trying to decide what is better in a fluid situation, they tend to make really bad decisions that benefit their constituents or donors rather than the country as a whole.

Sidebar - to those advocating a flat tax...a national sales tax makes more sense. Sales taxes are harder to avoid so everyone pays. Income taxes are only paid by people who make money legally. Don't worry about those who are 'poor'. As a benevolent society, we have programs for those people. Who cares if they pay in sales tax along the way, they will get back many times more than that in government payments. Some of our states with the best state government budgets (liberal and conservative) are among the handful who do not tax incomes. Of course, the only way you get that solution is by amendment to abolish the income tax...wishful thinking.

Would your national sales tax include “used” goods?
I can afford many new big ticket items, so if used isnt taxed…..
I’M IN!

 

[Jchonline]

How do we think those EV batteries will hold up at -58F?

Here's a nice story about a guy that took his Tesla from New York to Vermont in winter. He admits, he made some mistakes.

Tesla Has A Temperature Problem

Battery experts confirm it, and the driving public needs to understand it.

www.forbes.com

Yes at around 40 deg F you double the discharge rate…so you step in the vehicle and your capacity reduced by 1/2. it just gets worse from there. I have LFP batteries for my house and they are much more stable than LiCo types..but still suffer from temperature issues. I have to climate control the area they are in to keep it around 50F in Winter (summer not an issue where I am).

EVs of today have a very narrow use case…but for that use case they are fine (moderate weather, moderate daily use).

 

[Jchonline]

One thing odd with that story....Supercharger locations. I've never looked, but I can't imagine Tesla doesn't have every Supercharger on the planet listed on their site.

Rgds, D.

No they do a pretty good job of listing them all. Supercharger stations are proprietary to Tesla and only work on Tesla vehicles. Apparently there are no charging adapter standards (the plug or the Voltage/Amps) so its the Wild West. Perhaps one place a government mandated standard would benefit us.