Are we in the USA really this far behind?

[Rustyiron]

I'd like to have one (without all the glass) for working in the woods. Lots of hydraulics and the bi directional thing.

 

[CalG]

No one said otherwise. Specially considering that the common American completely misses the point and use of this style of tractors. They're called specialized tractors for a reason, to fit specific types of farms and ground. No, it's not a conventional tractor used as a glorified snow pusher or lawn mower.

As far as being advanced, well, these come with front and rear diff locks as standard, multiple PTO speeds, a PTO speed specific to power trailers, optional 3 pt down pressure, reversible platform, front 3 pt hitch and more stuff.

The Hurlimann 435 Prince in the barn has all those features but the swivel platform and front 3 pt. A 3pt out front would be in the way of the loader anyway. It is sold as an "orchard tractor", so "Special". It does make a handy chore tractor though ;-) A bit on the light side.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

As far as being advanced, well, these come with front and rear diff locks as standard, multiple PTO speeds, a PTO speed specific to power trailers, optional 3 pt down pressure, reversible platform, front 3 pt hitch and more stuff.

None of the above are in the least bit innovative. So while they are adapted to a specific need, they aren't any more advanced than a Kubota or a John Deere.

 

[ptsg]

The Hurlimann 435 Prince in the barn has all those features but the swivel platform and front 3 pt. A 3pt out front would be in the way of the loader anyway. It is sold as an "orchard tractor", so "Special". It does make a handy chore tractor though ;-) A bit on the light side.

Not necessarily. The arms fold up and out of the way when not in use.

My tractor is also sold as Orchard tractor because it has a Mid mounted ROPS and a narrow front axle and stance, but technically it's not a true orchard tractor.

 

[Cycledude]

They seem to have much easier to use 3 point hookups over there, hopefully we will be getting those improvements over here soon.

 

[CADplans]

None of the above are in the least bit innovative. So while they are adapted to a specific need, they aren't any more advanced than a Kubota or a John Deere.

I agree,, PLUS,, John Deere imported these articulated tractors probably 30 or 40 years ago,,
I guess no one was interested in them,, because, as far as I know, the importing stopped..

It was a cute looking thing, the tractor was basically unchanged, but, it had a John Deere shaped hood installed,,
and OF COURSE,, the color was changed to JD green and yellow,,, and JD decals.

Maybe they still sell them to the vineyards??

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

I'd like to have one (without all the glass) for working in the woods. Lots of hydraulics and the bi directional thing.

So a small high tech skidder would do the trick

 

[rademamj1]

I did notice the extensive use of hydraulics, and most tractors in that video had between 6 to 10 hydraulic connections in the rear, and another 4 hydraulic connections in the front. Perhaps most of the attachments for these specialized tractors are run off the hydraulics, and not the mechanical PTO shaft.

 

[ptsg]

I agree,, PLUS,, John Deere imported these articulated tractors probably 30 or 40 years ago,,
I guess no one was interested in them,, because, as far as I know, the importing stopped..

It was a cute looking thing, the tractor was basically unchanged, but, it had a John Deere shaped hood installed,,
and OF COURSE,, the color was changed to JD green and yellow,,, and JD decals.

Maybe they still sell them to the vineyards??

Yes, John Deere had Goldoni make all of their specialized tractors up till 2007, if I recall correctly.

That line sold really well here and had good support by Goldoni, however, Goldoni had some rough times and went bankrupt. John Deere now offers little to no support at all for those specialized lines of tractors, they don't even list those models on the parts catalog.

 

[ruffdog]

I'd like to have one (without all the glass) for working in the woods. Lots of hydraulics and the bi directional thing.

I know . It would be like a mini log skidder that could crawl through the woods anywhere the firewood is. I'll take mine with a front mounted mower/rotary cutter, snowblower and put my tiller on the back.

 

[Moxie 15]

From what I have seen on this forum many, if not most of the posters here, use their tractor as little more than a glorified lawn tractor. In fact I do much of what many here do with an old Craftsman lawn tractor and a shovel. Yes, I would much rather have a nice new CUT but I do not have the where-with-all to purchase one at this time. The tractors shown all do a specialized job and do it very well. In most cases far better than the typical compact tractor ever could.

Around here most farmers are doing tasks that tractors were made to do since their inception, and many tractors in use today were in use during the Carter administration. This is not the case in much of the world and new practices and tools are a must. So, yes, in many ways the US is very far behind the rest of the industrialized world.

 

[MossRoad]

I know . It would be like a mini log skidder that could crawl through the woods anywhere the firewood is. I'll take mine with a front mounted mower/rotary cutter, snowblower and put my tiller on the back.

That's how I use mine...

 

[MossRoad]

 

[npalen]

I should've have clarified that I wasn't referring to the articulation pivot points. I was referring to the tilt left/right pivot point. Yes articulated loaders work just fine, however the pivot is on the rear axle. While on these Isodiametric tractors, the front half pivots in relation to the rear half, to create the same articulation of the front axle on a conventional tractor. A loader puts tremendous stresses on this pivot point.

However, these can still be used with a loader and most of the times with a forklift mast, just no the conventional way.

Sure, it can have front loaders as well but these have very low lifting capacity. These tractors also have around 60% of the weight in the front.

The yellow "3-Punkt-Lift" rear loader is rather cool.

Edit: I guess its not really rear mounted in the sense that the operator would be facing the loader. I like the engine weight counterbalancing the loader. Looks like the bidirectional would add some versatility even in compact tractors.

 

[LouNY]

Not enough ground clearance and too short of tires for rough low traction ground

 

[4570Man]

How so? The only thing I can think of is headlight standards.

Look at any piece of equipment they make vs what we have.

 

[CalG]

I know . It would be like a mini log skidder that could crawl through the woods anywhere the firewood is. I'll take mine with a front mounted mower/rotary cutter, snowblower and put my tiller on the back.

There is a reason skidders are BIG. put much weight out back of a small articulated, and steering control is all but gone.

 

[Jstpssng]

I'd like to have one (without all the glass) for working in the woods. Lots of hydraulics and the bi directional thing.

This Holder Holder A 60 Forstaustattung 1984 Agricultural Forestry vehicle Photo and Specs

still has the glass, but was made for working in the woods. I only know of one person who had one on this side of the ocean, and I don't think that he used it much.

 

[Hay Dude]

From what I have seen on this forum many, if not most of the posters here, use their tractor as little more than a glorified lawn tractor. In fact I do much of what many here do with an old Craftsman lawn tractor and a shovel. Yes, I would much rather have a nice new CUT but I do not have the where-with-all to purchase one at this time. The tractors shown all do a specialized job and do it very well. In most cases far better than the typical compact tractor ever could.

Around here most farmers are doing tasks that tractors were made to do since their inception, and many tractors in use today were in use during the Carter administration. This is not the case in much of the world and new practices and tools are a must. So, yes, in many ways the US is very far behind the rest of the industrialized world.

Sometimes its due to extreme regulations for example, in Europe. Our older tractors here would not meet their safety standards or emissions standards. They may be forced to purchase new machinery, where we may be allowed to continue using equipment thats 20-30-40-50 years old.

 

[Agvg]

Sometimes its due to extreme regulations for example, in Europe. Our older tractors here would not meet their safety standards or emissions standards. They may be forced to purchase new machinery, where we may be allowed to continue using equipment thats 20-30-40-50 years old.

Here in Scandinavian the only requirement I know of is ROPS and a newly requirements for seatbelts. The ROPS was mandatory in 1964 and I do belive Sweden was doing the same in 1963, Denmark and Finland I do not know but probably around the same time. If you use the tractor privately this do not apply.