Tractor Sizing Are SCUT really Tractors

[DMW]

SSSHHH!.... Don't let my GC2300 hear she's not a tractor . I just finished waxing her, getting ready for some more chores. It's never had a lawnmower attached, The loader and PTO do all the work.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I would say yea. Like someone else mentioned Ford makes the Big dog Diesel F-350 and the little Ranger. They are both trucks and who ever buys each feels it will fit the need. Same thing with a SCUT. I would never own one but yes, they are a tractor in my eyes.

To me tractor = Hydraulics, 3 point, and the availability to have a FEL/

Chris

 

[CCWKen]

Just don't put a cab on one. They look silly.

 

[mustangsallysdad]

TLB? Toy Laboring Badly! I can make fun...I've got 2 of the little feller's.

 

[LBrown59]

This question was brought up in another thread but I wanted to get everyones take regardless of what brand or size tractor you own. The question of the day is;
1*Is a sub-compact tractory just a glorified lawn mower or is it truly a tractor? My take and experience says it is that they are true tractors-just smaller in size-like a mini me.

1*It's a real tractor.
The x700s are really glorified garden tractor on steroids.
There is a big difference between a sub compact and a garden tractor although they are both tractors.

I'll chime in. Yes they are. When you hear rideon lawnmower does somthing with a FEL pop into your head? nope.
2*You can do so much more with a SCUT then your local big box "lawn master"

2* this seperates the men from the boys.

3*Is a Mini cooper a vehicle just the same as a Cadillac or Porche?
4*Is a Ford Ranger a truck just the same as a F-350
Dually

3*Yes but not the same vehicle.
4*They are all trucks but not alike.

 

[oldballs]

:laughing:Is a tiger a cat? Do you cook your steaks in a pot or a pan? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Golly, we need a philosophy forum, so the SCUM know where they belong.

 

[buck12]

I don't guess I own anything that would be classified as a SCUT. I find it interesting what people call things. My neighbor calls his deere (Home Depot) mower a tractor. At my house the deere GT235 is referred to as a lawnmower and the Mahindra 2615 is referred to as a tractor. I am not sure it really matters.

 

[D7E]

If it has a 3 point it is a tractor in my book.

My golf cart seems a bit big then ..lol ???

I don't see how you can define the term "tractor" ...Semi tractor,Farm tractor,Tug tractor,crawler tractor......Wheel size/set-up,fuel type,Pushing/pulling etc. All tractors are'nt they ?

 

[RoyJackson]

Here's how one website defines "Tractor":

1.A vehicle having a powerful gasoline or diesel motor and usually large, heavily treaded rear tires, used especially for pulling farm implements or machinery.
2.A truck having a cab and no body, used for pulling large vehicles such as vans or trailers.
3.Something that pulls or draws.
4.
a.An airplane propeller mounted in front of the supporting surfaces.
b.An airplane having such a propeller.
5.A toothed mechanism that automatically advances perforated continuous-form paper through a computer printer.
[From Latin tractus, past participle of trahere, to draw.]


I'd say #3 covers most compacts (including subCUTs).

 

[Rod in Forfar]

Even with only two cylinders my Bolens G174 is more of a tractor than the 1947 Massey Harris 30 sitting behind the garage is.

 

[Maxify55]

My K2500 Yukon is licensed as a truck and I'd dare say a darned sight better at security in the cargo area than your F250 or 350.

It's just different tools for different jobs.

My Cushman Truckster only has an 18 hp Kohler motor but can haul 2500# around my farm and dump it hydraulically. That's not to say that I'd take it over a Kawasaki Mule 4X4. I'm not sure that they even offer a hydro dump bed.

I shopped for years for a tractor for the grounds here. Actually almost bought a BX24 Kubota. I just have a problem with debt. Not to mention the cost of the unit with both attachments.
The (Gray Market) Zennoh w/FEL I purchased is only 2 cylinder but develops more hp than the BX at the pto and is $15K cheaper. I paid cash for the Zennoh and never looked back.

A ZTR will out cut any mid-mount tractor mower and probably PTO mounted at well. The difference in quality of cut is astonishing and we're not even going to get into operator comfort.

In short, whatever your specific need might be, I'm quite sure that you can find a specific tool for that need.

Is it a tractor by definition? Sure! About the same as some guys will tell you that real trucks have glow plugs instead of spark plugs.

 

[Johndeere3720]

I think they are tractors because they have the power to do dirt work and the size to get into smaller places. A lawn tractor can occasionally have a 3 point hitch but doesnt have the true power and torque to do the jobs that real tractors can accomplish. One thing that i wonder is what category would my tractors be in? would they be SCUTs or CUTs? The pictures are of my Yanmar next two different SCUTS.

 

[Soundguy]

This question was brought up in another thread but I wanted to get everyones take regardless of what brand or size tractor you own. The question of the day is; Is a sub-compact tractory just a glorified lawn mower or is it truly a tractor? My take and experience says it is that they are true tractors-just smaller in size-like a mini me.

IMHO.. if it has an engine and trans ( not v belt coupled )and pto and hyd pump setup, with hyd lift.. then it's a scut. even an 18hp 2wd jinma economy job would be preferable to a 25hp 'craftsman' lawn mower.

soundguy

 

[foggy1111]

IMO....a real tractor comprises or is capable of many of these traits:

* Rear PTO with spline drive
* 3 Point hitch with cat 1 or better
* Drawbar capable
* Hydraulic system to operate lift and cylinders
* Large Tires that grip (prefer ag-tire capable)
* Loader capable
* Ability to have wheel weights
* Diff lock
* adequate clearance for traversing rough terrain
* rugged construction for use on rough terrain
* the appearance of a compact tractor

If your SCUT has most of the above....then it might be a "real" tractor.

Now....I have a JD 425 with a hydraulic loader and a 3 point hitch and a hydraulic system, diff lock, wheel weights, and 20 hp engine. It could have a PTO...but this one doesn't. And its pretty rugged....but I don't consider it to be a SCUT....IT'S A LAWN AND GARDEN TRACTOR. It just don't LOOK like a SCUT. Maybe its the tires? :laughing:

 

[foggy1111]

ooops....I was going to post a pic.....

 

[Soundguy]

I'd haveto get picky on diffy lock.

many 'real' tractors didn't have diffy lock.. but did have steering brakes.

soundguy

IMO....a real tractor comprises or is capable of many of these traits:

* Rear PTO with spline drive
* 3 Point hitch with cat 1 or better
* Drawbar capable
* Hydraulic system to operate lift and cylinders
* Large Tires that grip (prefer ag-tire capable)
* Loader capable
* Ability to have wheel weights
* Diff lock
* adequate clearance for traversing rough terrain
* rugged construction for use on rough terrain
* the appearance of a compact tractor

If your SCUT has most of the above....then it might be a "real" tractor.

Now....I have a JD 425 with a hydraulic loader and a 3 point hitch and a hydraulic system, diff lock, wheel weights, and 20 hp engine. It could have a PTO...but this one doesn't. And its pretty rugged....but I don't consider it to be a SCUT....IT'S A LAWN AND GARDEN TRACTOR. It just don't LOOK like a SCUT. Maybe its the tires? :laughing:

 

[arrabil]

3.Something that pulls or draws.
I'd say #3 covers most compacts (including subCUTs).

It even covers the lowest model of lawn tractor since they can pull a garden or dump cart.

 

[LostInTheWoods]

Are 10-year-olds human beings? A 10-year-old is certainly smaller than the typical adult. But they share all the same basic parts and perform all of the same basic functions.

Adults, due to their size, can certainly lift more, carry more, break ground faster, and push larger lawnmowers around. But a child can do all the same things - simply on a smaller scale.

So yes, IMHO, SCUT=tractor.

Lost

 

[sld]

Nobody has answered yet where you draw the line between CUT and SCUT.

Heck, what is the requirements / definition for either?

So it goes:

- lawn tractor
- scut
- cut
- ??

I'm just trying to get the categories straight to put it in perspective. Previous posters hit it on the head. If it is gear driven, has hydraulics and a PTO it is much more like a "tractor" than a lawn mower.