An articulated loader build utilizing an automatic transaxle.

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Roy, your grandson is very fortunate to have you for a grandad! Really neat project.
 
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Roy, your grandson is very fortunate to have you for a grandad! Really neat project.

Chim,I feel I am the lucky one, kid is just fun to be around and as we have the same interests it just never gets old.

To the build, one point I would like to stress on this unit is the beauty of welding the spiders in a front wheel drive trans-axle. What a game changer. The second home-built I have done this with. It not only gives you a transmission with an additional 3.5 to one reduction unit built in it shortens the power train up as the powerflow doubles back on itself. Compare this with using a conventional car engine with a conventional transmission and then having to put a second transmission behind it. Things get so long you simple do not have room for it.

By welding the spiders and using only one drive axle to power the unit you have the ability to locate the engine were you get the best fit and balance.

Now the question is, how strong will it be? Stronger than you think. In my first homebuilt I used a little 96 cubic inch Nissan Sentra motor with the five speed trans-axle. On this unit the clutch is about the size of a pie plate, the spiders gears the size of fifty cent pieces. It has been in operation for 25 years, we used it to spray 2-4D on lawns yesterday. We play with it at tractor pulls. In all the dinging around and pulling we have done it took twenty years to wear out the first clutch and the welded spiders have never been an issue. on the other hand the nine inch Ford rear end we use with adaptors and semi truck tires has had the spiders fail three times.

Yes, the one thing I did not think would give any trouble has let me down three times, every time on a tacking pulling track. The little Nissan motor will simply crack the spiders like walnuts on a hard pull. Why? Every time you slow it down by half you raise the torque applied by two. Think of it from those broken spiders point of view, there is a 3.5 to 1 reduction in the trans axle final drive, then a 2 to 1 reduction in the transfer case I use, then a 5.38 to 1 reduction in the 9 inch Ford. Now hang some semi tires on it, think of them as a big long pry bar on the axle. All that torque is caught up in the 9 inch's spiders.

I have no doubt there will be some weak links in this latest project we have. As to the little three speed GM trans axle? I have high hopes for it as the closer to the engine the less torque there is. Little nervous about the welded axles, afraid the truck spindle we used for the front pivot will not be strong enough and have to be re-designed, Worried about the welds on the welded sprockets, lot of torque there. Also concerned the pull from the drive chain my simply rip the nose off the back differential.

But this idea of using a trans-axle with the spiders welded solves a lot of builder issues. Anyone considering building a home built tractor should take a good look at it.
 
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Awesome project! It's good to have someone around that is into the same things as you.
 
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Have you considered a "spool" instead of welded spiders? I have seen them offered in both aluminum and steel. I would use a steel.
 
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Subscribed ! I have been thinking of this kind of loader, but never had the time nor need to keep one next to my loader tractor..

The problem is that i design construction machinery by profession, so i will inevitably overrun the budget of a hobby project before i'm satisfied 🙈
 
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Reminds me of a PUG:

 
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Nice machine. I subscribed to your youtube channel
 
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Have you considered a "spool" instead of welded spiders? I have seen them offered in both aluminum and steel. I would use a steel.

The solid spools are very common, for regular differentials, nine inch Ford etc. At the time I was doing mine there was nothing available for front wheel drive transaxles. On mine, a 125 GM, you have to pull the trans all apart to reach the differential. On some of the four speed models the final drive can be separatedd from the main case which would make it much easier. I do not typically rebuild auto transmissions but in this case I was able to pull it off.
 
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Subscribed ! I have been thinking of this kind of loader, but never had the time nor need to keep one next to my loader tractor..

The problem is that i design construction machinery by profession, so i will inevitably overrun the budget of a hobby project before i'm satisfied 🙈

I feel your pain. Only thing saved my budget was stretching the spending out over about 15 years.
 
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:cool2: This is AWESOME! :cool2:

I invested a fair bit of thought into how to do something similar but have yet to progress beyond the thinking stage. If you don't mind sharing your hard-won secrets, could I impose upon you to explain more about how you made the articulating joint? It looks like you used a 10 bolt truck hub on one side and did __________ on the other side.
 
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:cool2: This is AWESOME! :cool2:

I invested a fair bit of thought into how to do something similar but have yet to progress beyond the thinking stage. If you don't mind sharing your hard-won secrets, could I impose upon you to explain more about how you made the articulating joint? It looks like you used a 10 bolt truck hub on one side and did __________ on the other side.

I also, would like to see these as well as the one posted on "Life on Highway 9". Many Thanks,
oliver
 
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Nice work and a handy machine that you have built.
 
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:cool2: This is AWESOME! :cool2:

I invested a fair bit of thought into how to do something similar but have yet to progress beyond the thinking stage. If you don't mind sharing your hard-won secrets, could I impose upon you to explain more about how you made the articulating joint? It looks like you used a 10 bolt truck hub on one side and did __________ on the other side.

Yes, the hub and spindle used are off a 1970 C-50 Chevy grain truck. On the spindle used a torch cut the bosses off the kings pins went through so the back of the spindle was flush. Then bolted to some heavy, 11/16 steel using the bolt holes in the casting used for the backing plate and steering arms.

I had considered using the the king pin for the joint which allows it to turn right and left. In this case would have cut the heavy cast steel axle itself and mounted it into place. Problem is there is steering axle inclination built into it. Nixed that idea.

What I did use was a pair of stub axles with 5 bolt hubs. They were bought at the local fleet and farm store. The stubs are maybe ten inches long. Both stubs are welded to the back side of the heavy plate the truck hub is bolted to, one points up, one down. The bottom hub bolts up to a steel plate which is welded in solid to the back half of the tractor. The top one bolts to a buttressed plate which bolts to the back half also with 6 heavy bolts. The bolt holes on the plate are drilled a little oversize, maybe a 16th of an inch.

This allows for adjusting bearing preload on the stub axle hubs first then bolting the top plate in place. In short the oversize holes allows some give and take to compensate for future bearing preload adjustment.

Very happy with how it worked out with the exception I do not think the C-50 spindle is going be stout enough. Looked strong laying on the bench, on the machine it looks weak to me.
 

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