Air Filters??

[Egon]

Did some searching on the Frantz oil bypass cleaner. Interesting.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/article...ntz-toilet-paper-bypass-oil-filter/Page1.html

 

[Cami]

I don't know about the relative abilities of paper and oil bath air cleaners but the hassle of servicing oil bath air filters is precisely why paper elements are far superior; they're more "people proof". I don't know anybody with an oil bath air cleaner who services it as much as they should.

A sermon:

I believe that, while they're not exactly precision instruments, restriction indicators are important to prevent over-servicing. Every time you pull out the air filter you let a little dust into the engine; it's even worse if you're doing the service at a dusty worksite. Changing filters too often means that you're exposing your engines to this more often than necessary.

All that trouble light is truly good for with regard to air filters is looking for holes/tears in the element.

I can't abide cleaning air filters with compressed air. You can put small tears or holes in the filter paper and, with dust blowing everywhere, some will get into the filter's clean side. If this is done near the filter box then even more harm is done.

The temptation to use compressed air is always there. I was in one rock pit where the primary filters lasted a few shifts and the there was a compressor on the service truck.... Fight the temptation and eat the cost of replacing them, add a pre-cleaner or have them professionally cleaned; up here in Canada, Finning offers filter cleaning services.


Tagline idea: Toilet paper bypass filters take the **** out of your oil.

 

[user.69169]

Thinking back a bit, there was a outfit back in the 60s made this machine for cleaning paper air filters. Of course that was back in the days when a buck was a buck and a candy bar cost a nickle and people still fixed things rather than just replace them.

I remember dirst truck I ran with a paper filter thing hanging on the fender, that sucker was the size of a trash can and had this little dial indicator gizmo on it so the driver could tell when the filter was dirty. Whoever came up with that indicator should have been took out and horsewhipped. Onliest way a driver could see if that thing was red or green was if he stuck his face up against the windshield and craned his neck. Why they didn't put the thing on the dash is way beyond me.

Tell you something else any driver who can't tell when his air filter is dirty ain't a driver he's a steering wheel holder. Good lord when you're running 1 or 2 gears lower than what you should be toget up a hill first thing you know is the engine ain't workin proper.

I went to carrying a spare air filter in the sleepercab after first time I got caught out on a job in Nevada where the sand was blowing so bad I had a bandanna across my face so I could breathe comfortable. Dang fine sand dust gets into everything.

Now ike I was saying, I think it might have been in one of the PIE barns where I saw that cleaner machine. They had them a cabinet with what for all the world looked like the guts of a paintshaker like the hardware store has and a blower and a vacuum cleaner all hooked up. They put the filter in there and there was clamps that held 2 ends on the filter. When you hit the swiitch the filter went to shaking like a wet dog, and the blower blew air into the filter while the vacuumcleaner sucked on the whole box carrying off what came out of the filter itself. Fellow there showed me how it worked, and said they got about 3 times the life out of filters using it. Made sense figuring the territory PIE ran in.

I suppose a fellow could make up a plywood box and get himself some sort of vibrator to do the shaking, after all youwouldn't need to shake a tractor filter as much as a truck filter. I figure a sawzall hooked to a shaft just might handle the shaking part given the way a sawzall will rattle your cage if the blade gets hung up. Best not try using the sife's good vacuumcleaner though, them wimmen get right riled about that sort of thing.

 

[number two]

(removed),thank you very much for your trucking memories-very cool.I still remember Pacific Intermountain Express,then Ryder/PIE.Been awhile though.Thanks again for sharing.

 

[user.69169]

(removed),thank you very much for your trucking memories-very cool.I still remember Pacific Intermountain Express,then Ryder/PIE.Been awhile though.Thanks again for sharing.

Never looked into the truth of it, but I was told PIE reinvented the road tractor to pull the mountains back in the 40s & 50s. They put huge compressors on their tractors with a pair of tanks mounted on the back of the cab so they had enough brakes to stop going downhill. I recall quite a few of their tractors were also air starters. If you parked next to one of them at a truckstop I could count on that dang thing winding up like a siren in the morning. They also had mostly cabovers with a real squared off cab.

I was hauling for a company that carried heavy loads mostly power transformers so I got all over the country. Mostly I hauled East of the Big Muddy though. One thing for sure we might have worked harder back then but those were better times fortrue. I see the equipment today and can't hardly believe some of what I see. Back in 1950 if you'd have told people a driver would pitch a hissey if his rig wasn't air conditioned people would have laughed at you.

 

[rswyan]

Kubota B2910 Inner (left) and Outer (right) air filters:

 

[teg]

Kubota B2910 Inner (left) and Outer (right) air filters:

Wow, now I see why my dealer didn't recommend the inner filter.

 

[RadarTech]

It's an Option, when I asked my dealer about it, I was told that I didn't need it. The reason I changed my air filter (2x) was the fact that I used my tractor a bunch building a couple of roads and it was very dusty. Now that the roads are done... I'll be changing my tune instead of air filters...

Well, I bought both of the filters...
I put in the single outer...


I might put the other one in if it will work....


whatcha think of this nasty filter?


J

 

[TripleR]

My L5030 has both inner and outer, I just don't change the inner as often.

 

[teg]

Well, I bought both of the filters... I put in the single outer...

I might put the other one in if it will work....

whatcha think of this nasty filter?

J

So, did you buy the inner filter, too?? (yes, you guessed it... I need a Photo!!! even a blurry one )

That dirty filter was about what mine looked like...

 

[rswyan]

whatcha think of this nasty filter?

Heheheheh ..... that ain't nothin' ......

.... saw a friend of mine pull and "field clean" the a/f on his New Holland TN75 once .... he's been doing alot brus-hogging and dirt work .... just pulled it out of the housing right there in the field and tapped it off against the tractor ..... it's probably had 1/2 to 1 inch of dust, grass, and debris caked on it .....

Possibly coulda been a little more timely on his maintenance cycle .....

 

[RadarTech]

So, did you buy the inner filter, too?? (yes, you guessed it... I need a Photo!!! even a blurry one )

That dirty filter was about what mine looked like...

I will when I get home. Right now I am at pizza hur waiting on lunch!

Yeppers the crackberry is working hard!


Can't get that multiquote to work for some reason though!!


J

 

[RadarTech]

Heheheheh ..... that ain't nothin' ......

.... saw a friend of mine pull and "field clean" the a/f on his New Holland TN75 once .... he's been doing alot brus-hogging and dirt work .... just pulled it out of the housing right there in the field and tapped it off against the tractor ..... it's probably had 1/2 to 1 inch of dust, grass, and debris caked on it .....

Possibly coulda been a little more timely on his maintenance cycle .....

Wow. Well to each his own!

 

[RadarTech]

So, did you buy the inner filter, too?? (yes, you guessed it... I need a Photo!!! even a blurry one )

That dirty filter was about what mine looked like...

here ya go...
It's BLUE!!


J

 

[leonz]

Heheheheh ..... that ain't nothin' ......

.... saw a friend of mine pull and "field clean" the a/f on his New Holland TN75 once .... he's been doing alot brus-hogging and dirt work .... just pulled it out of the housing right there in the field and tapped it off against the tractor ..... it's probably had 1/2 to 1 inch of dust, grass, and debris caked on it .....

Possibly coulda been a little more timely on his maintenance cycle .....

Hope he had no pin holes in after tapping it, oh well if he had a cylcone precleaner on an oil bath unit he would would not have had to mess with it.

leon

 

[RadarTech]

So, did you buy the inner filter, too?? (yes, you guessed it... I need a Photo!!! even a blurry one )

That dirty filter was about what mine looked like...

FYI-- That was with a new camera--- and I had the auto focus off...
and the little thing that "steadied" you when you hand was moving..

J

 

[leonz]

here ya go...
It's BLUE!!


J

I am pretty sure the filter paper has an anti bacterial coating-the smaller inners inners always seem to have had that color paper for the most part.

The cartridge filter these days does more than visit the engine compartment in Kubotas-or other machines there used in all sorts of places like hospitals for postive ventilation, screening plants for salt and grain, air handlers for large buildings( the one we had worked great when they cleaned and was lousy when they put a pallet of valves in front of it (BECAUSE WE HAD NO WHERE ELSE TO PUT THEM)

Always loved it when they used to cut stainless steel with the plasma torch cuttting table They always disconnected the exhaust pipeing when they cut over size blanks for fire truck pump control panel an we had to open the over head door because of the smoke even in winter..

 

[leonz]

All technical specs, engineering data, and physics aside - our local Kubota dealer will tell you he replaces/repairs more diesel engines due to lack of maintenance on air filters than any other reason. He notes on single-element filter systems - to never clean element, always replace. His background was a diesel mechanic for a motor line company before ending up as owner of a tractor dealership.

Thank you,

I appreciate your comments, The last thing I want to worry about is is the engine is getting enough intake air.


The turbo charged engines would would really benefit from the oil bath air cleaner/paper element combination units too.



The mining scoop builders were using the oil baths for years until they went to paper and had to change back to oil baths for a lot of units because of the filters collapsing.

Our precleaners used the elbows being shorter in height which had the stationary vanes creating the additonal pressure gradient before the intake and dust cups which work very well and are offered as an option versus the standard cyclones.


Can anyone tell me how to copy a picture from a linked site on my desk top?
I have windows vista home and I dont use all the functions etc othe than web surfing or letters etc.

I want to upload the oil bath/paper air cleaner replacement unit picture page to show everyone what they look like



I have The Windows Vvista home version


leonz

 

[TripleR]

Gosh, after reading some of these comments, I am surprised most of our machines are still running; ah but they are. I have two tractors over fifty years old and can guarantee they will still be running long after I am gone.

 

[teg]

Can anyone tell me how to copy a picture from a linked site on my desk top?

IF you are just looking to copy the photo from a website and save it onto your computer, Just do the Right click on the photo, Look for "Save Picture As..." in the popup window. (if a website has the right mouse button disable - there is still a way to do it... but would take to much time to explain here).

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Once the URL is highlighted, move the mouse backover the highlight area and do a single RIGHT mouse click, and left mouse click on "copy". Then you can post it in a thread. Like this using this icon

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