58 MPG by 2032

[WinterDeere]

Cars have become more reliable with each passing decade, not less. I think anyone touting the reliability of old cars either has a bad memory, or is too young to have owned these 1980's and 1990's cars when they were newer.

 

[Hay Dude]

Cars have become more reliable with each passing decade, not less. I think anyone touting the reliability of old cars either has a bad memory, or is too young to have owned these 1980's and 1990's cars when they were newer.

And they managed to do that while becoming much more complex, with dozens of computers on board and more efficient in power and better fuel economy.
I have a 2L turbocharged Jeep Rubicon that would beat my previous larger displacement Jeeps, get much better fuel economy, have more features and comfort and better off road.

Now one thing thats not as good is affordability.

 

[fatjay]

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Consistently.

 

[Grumpycat]

I have a 2L turbocharged Jeep Rubicon that would beat my previous larger displacement Jeeps, get much better fuel economy, have more features and comfort and better off road.

I have a 2.7L EcoBoost in my F-150 with 325HP. MPG beats the 2001 GMC Sonoma 2.2L 5spd I once had. Plus the F-150 is 4x4, more comfortable and quieter. I used to wear foam earplugs if I was to drive any distance on interstate in the Sonoma.

Now one thing thats not as good is affordability.

Paid 3x more for the F-150 in 2019 than I paid for the "radio and heater" stripped Sonoma in 2001. Inflation calculator says $12,000 in 2001 requires $17,322.92 in 2019, about half what I paid.

Of great interest: $10,000 in 2019 would buy what $12,009.27 buys today. And the closest new truck to what I have is $50,000.

 

[Williy]

The VW diesel rabbits got in the low 50's in the 80's
Our 75 Chrysler with a 440 cu in engine only got 20 on
the hwyway. My 73 3/4 Dodge only got 18 mpg my 77
1/2 Dodge 318 auto 24 mpg with mods.Wifes duster
low 20's. All the other vehicles that we had never got
over 24 mpg. Our 2018 Chrysler will only get 24 mpg
going 55 or 75 no difference going to town. I have checked
many times and it still says 24! Wanted a Jetta diesel but
no such luck! Only gas and the ones testing them getting
42 - 44 mpg smaller than what I have but its just me now.
It cost over $1500 for all the polution crap probably more
now just so you can burn more gas to cut down on poluction?

willy
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[Kyle_in_Tex]

Now the auto workers strike is going to force mfg's to offshore production.
40% pay increase. Who the heck gets that on a broad front?

 

[logixjock]

Now the auto workers strike is going to force mfg's to offshore production.
40% pay increase. Who the heck gets that on a broad front?

I keep seeing people talk about the strike against the "big 3" I wasn't aware that Toyota, Tesla and VW had anything to do with the UAW.

 

[WinterDeere]

Now the auto workers strike is going to force mfg's to offshore production.
40% pay increase. Who the heck gets that on a broad front?

First, let me disclose I'm generally anti-union. But that said, I hate misguidance and half-truths in our media even more than unions, and in this case I believe they've been cited unfairly. I don't know if the news media is just too stupid to actually understand compound growth, or if this is intentional misguidance.

The demand was for a 40% increase over term of contract, which is a 4-year term, as I understand it. That would be equivalent to 8.8% per year, to reach 40% after four consecutive years.

In reality, they demanded 10% in the first year, as they feel they've fallen behind. In this case, the remaining 3 years would need to average 8.4%.

Those are still some large raises, but for the news media to pretend they're asking for a 40% raise on day one is misleading the public.

 

[Eagle1]

First, let me disclose I'm generally anti-union. But that said, I hate misguidance and half-truths in our media even more than unions, and in this case I believe they've been cited unfairly. I don't know if the news media is just too stupid to actually understand compound growth, or if this is intentional misguidance.

The demand was for a 40% increase over term of contract, which is a 4-year term, as I understand it. That would be equivalent to 8.8% per year, to reach 40% after four consecutive years.

In reality, they demanded 10% in the first year, as they feel they've fallen behind. In this case, the remaining 3 years would need to average 8.4%.

Those are still some large raises, but for the news media to pretend they're asking for a 40% raise on day one is misleading the public.

In days of good economy I was getting 10%+ per year. then it tanked and that same job as seen next to no raises since I walked away.
Non Union job...

 

[deezler]

First, let me disclose I'm generally anti-union. But that said, I hate misguidance and half-truths in our media even more than unions, and in this case I believe they've been cited unfairly. I don't know if the news media is just too stupid to actually understand compound growth, or if this is intentional misguidance.

The demand was for a 40% increase over term of contract, which is a 4-year term, as I understand it. That would be equivalent to 8.8% per year, to reach 40% after four consecutive years.

In reality, they demanded 10% in the first year, as they feel they've fallen behind. In this case, the remaining 3 years would need to average 8.4%.

Those are still some large raises, but for the news media to pretend they're asking for a 40% raise on day one is misleading the public.

The UAW demand was actually 20% immediately, and 5% after that for next 4 years. For a 46% total raise in the contract. Oh and working 32 hours instead of 40 to earn this raise. I sympathize with some of the newer, low tier workers making under $20/hr for hard work on the line. But there are other folks sweeping floors for $40/hr who would still get this 46% raise to work 4 days instead of 5? No, that's not happening. And if it does, it will bankrupt the OEMs.

The two sides are too far apart still. And suppliers like my employer are going to start imposing furloughs at our affected manufacturing plants soon if they don't make some headway on negotiations.