4110: Stop washing it???

[bindian]

Brandi,

UGH.. my memory is just going down the dumps as I get older... I had to go down and get my last can from my stash... LPS 3 is what I was mistaking for LPS 5 (which might be an electrical cleaner or ??? now that I think about it... if there even is a 5.)

Here's the good stuff that I've got left, they stay in my gun cleaning kit and dont' get used for anything else. I dont' have a "source" to get this stuff now that I'm on the flying side and not on the "support" side anymore with my company.

I remember that one number was a penetrating oil, another was more of a lubricating oil, then the LPS 3 that I have here.


Have you ever used the BoeShield? I think it's great stuff for long term storage (I soak down my TC Contender and Encore barrels in it and wrap them in plastic for long term storage... seems to work great, and cleanup is fairly painless.) Kroil is some good stuff too... I wish I could get some more of the Boeshield, I don't remember where I got this can... but it is the only can of it that I've ever seen.

Brian,
Don't inhale the BoeShield. That stuff is so bad, when our corrosion preventive paperwork calls for BoeSheild or an acceptable equalivent.........we spray LPS 3. LPS has an electrical contact cleaner that has no number. I love the stuff, as it is harmless to plastic and can be sprayed on systems that are operating. So you are in Flight Ops? I think you can get LPS products at Grainger Industrial Supply
hugs, Brandi

 

[Dougster]

Doug, I don't have my manual in front of me (the schematic is in the back of the 4110 manual), but most likely it is the PTO switch getting wet, and triggering the PTO safety. What is likely happening is this normally open switch is shorting when wet making it a closed switch. The 4110 will not start with the PTO engaged, and thus will not start until the PTO switch dries out.

I have seen recommendations that indicate pressure washing engines is something one should avoid here on TBN. The high pressure water stream has been known to penetrate seals and mix with fluids.

Hi Keith - I don't directly pressure wash the engine. In fact, I go out of my way to make sure that the engine stays fairly dry... certainly no worse than a garden hose washing with the hood closed. Mainly, I am just trying to remove inches of dirt and dust collecting on every exposed horizontal surface. It's been so bad lately, that the backhoe and FEL squeak and squawk constantly until I get a chance to rinse and re-grease everything. But an hour later, the squeaks and squawks are back.

As stated above, the PTO switch is a prime candidate along with the ignition switch. When the Red Beast comes home next week, solving this problem will be near the top of my "to do" list.

Dougster

 

[bindian]

p.s., Yesterday, I simply kept the Red Beast running during it's mid-day wash... and it purred just fine throughout the whole thing. There is so much powder dust on this jobsite (no rain in weeks) that if I don't wash the tractor at least every other day, the backhoe makes awful grinding noises (no matter how much grease I squeeze in there). -d

Dougster,
Glad to hear that it is purring. Can you get it to roll over and scratch it's belly? My BH makes weird noises sometimes also. Even if I don't wash the tractor, I make sure my BH pivot points are free of mud and it is greased good. Which washing splatters on the red paint. Bill6 would faint if he saw my grease splattered Big Red Beast.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Dougster]

Dougster, Glad to hear that it is purring. Can you get it to roll over and scratch it's belly? My BH makes weird noises sometimes also. Even if I don't wash the tractor, I make sure my BH pivot points are free of mud and it is greased good. Which washing splatters on the red paint. Bill6 would faint if he saw my grease splattered Big Red Beast.
hugs, Brandi

The Red Beast comes home next week. The infamous "rockscape" job is in it's last days and I can't wait to get it back home and start cleaning, repairing, rebuilding and repainting everything I used from the ground up. The toll on the 509, the ML112, the root/rock grapple and the new CAT bucket have been more severe than any 10 other jobs put together. I will probably spend more money in parts & restorative maintenance than I will have made on the job.

Bill6 would never speak to me again if he saw the Red Beast as it sits tonight... brutalized, damaged, stored outside and covered in dirt and dust like you couldn't possibly believe.

Dougster

 

[Keith_B]

As stated above, the PTO switch is a prime candidate along with the ignition switch. When the Red Beast comes home next week, solving this problem will be near the top of my "to do" list.

Dougster

The ignition switch isn't much of a candidate. Water is an excellent conductor, and the likely culprit is a portion of the circuit that is getting wet and conducting so that a normally open switch becomes closed, and this circuit needs to be one in which when closed it disables your key switch. I believe the PTO switch fits this criteria. When the PTO is engaged, i.e., the switch is closed, the ignition switch becomes disabled. The clutch switch should be an open switch that becomes closed when the clutch pedal is pushed. The clutch switch is also in a position where it isn't likely to get wet, whereas the PTO switch is mounted on the steering column, and water could get in around the switch.

 

[Dougster]

The ignition switch isn't much of a candidate. Water is an excellent conductor, and the likely culprit is a portion of the circuit that is getting wet and conducting so that a normally open switch becomes closed, and this circuit needs to be one in which when closed it disables your key switch. I believe the PTO switch fits this criteria. When the PTO is engaged, i.e., the switch is closed, the ignition switch becomes disabled. The clutch switch should be an open switch that becomes closed when the clutch pedal is pushed. The clutch switch is also in a position where it isn't likely to get wet, whereas the PTO switch is mounted on the steering column, and water could get in around the switch.

Well, I certainly cannot disagree with your analysis. The PTO switch is clearly at the very top of the "suspect" list. Stay tuned for the answer when the Red Beast comes home for a rest next week!

Dougster

 

[MLinOleMiss]

Mine does it on dewy mornings, usually a couple bounces on the seat and it fires right up.

 

[Dougster]

Mine does it on dewy mornings, usually a couple bounces on the seat and it fires right up.

A couple of bounces on the seat???

Now that is something I did not try!

Dougster

 

[Keith_B]

Mine does it on dewy mornings, usually a couple bounces on the seat and it fires right up.

The 4110 doesn't have a seat kill switch.

 

[bindian]

Bill6 would never speak to me again if he saw the Red Beast as it sits tonight... brutalized, damaged, stored outside and covered in dirt and dust like you couldn't possibly believe. Dougster

Dougster,
You mean it looks like an "experienced" tractor?
hugs, Brandi