Traction 4 wheel drive

[karenlyn]

How does the 4 wheel drive work on a ford 1500 compact tractor? thanks for your help. karen

 

[whistlepig]

Welcome to TBN. Question is a little vague. What are you wanting to do with your 4WD?

 

[raptor749]

Looking at 1510 repair manual , there is a small shift lever just behind trans. & range shift levers on the top right . Shifting this lever forward/down or backwards/up should shift from 2wd to 4wd . Some times you may have to move tractor forward a little for it to shift . Mornally it will shift easier if front wheels are straight , not turned . While turning sharp in 4wd you may notice a jerky pull from the front wheel or wheels . Hope this helps.

 

[whistlepig]

That's kind of normal on any 4WD. They take a bit of fidgeting to get 4WD to engage. Even my push button 4WD on my push button on my 4WD truck can be a little stubborn.

 

[boggen]

4WD does not mean all 4 tires spin / get power, one back wheel will get power, and one front wheel will get power. if the tractor has a differential lock. then when 4WD is engaged and differential lock is engaged. both back tires get power and one front tire gets power.

it is how tractors to vehicles are setup. part of it is is for turning so nothing binds up and causes wheel slippage. to not putting extra force on transmission to shafts.

when on pavement or hard surfaces turn 4WD off. pavement and hard surfaces do not allow tires to slip any. and can as a result can put extra forces on things and break 4WD.

 

[SPYDERLK]

4WD does not mean all 4 tires spin / get power, one back wheel will get power, and one front wheel will get power. if the tractor has a differential lock. then when 4WD is engaged and differential lock is engaged. both back tires get power and one front tire gets power.

it is how tractors to vehicles are setup. part of it is is for turning so nothing binds up and causes wheel slippage. to not putting extra force on transmission to shafts.

when on pavement or hard surfaces turn 4WD off. pavement and hard surfaces do not allow tires to slip any. and can as a result can put extra forces on things and break 4WD.

All wheels are powered in 4wd. 2 wheels are powered in 2wd.
larry

 

[boggen]

All wheels are powered in 4wd. 2 wheels are powered in 2wd.
larry

so when ya turning with 4WD engaged. the outer front wheel and outer back wheel spins faster and inner wheels (one front and one back) turn slower.

when ya get stuck in the mud, one front wheel and one rear wheel with just 4WD is engaged. can and will just spin in the mud, leaving the other 2 wheels barely spinning or not spinning at all.

if a tire is not spinning, to me it is not getting power. at the differential. more so when you are stuck in the mud. or on ice / in snow, and ice skating on 4 tires.

 

[SPYDERLK]

so when ya turning with 4WD engaged. the outer front wheel and outer back wheel spins faster and inner wheels (one front and one back) turn slower.

when ya get stuck in the mud, one front wheel and one rear wheel with just 4WD is engaged. can and will just spin in the mud, leaving the other 2 wheels barely spinning or not spinning at all.

if a tire is not spinning, to me it is not getting power. at the differential. more so when you are stuck in the mud. or on ice / in snow, and ice skating on 4 tires.

Yes, the non spinning wheel is not delivering power, technically, since mech power requires motion. But, that wheel is delivering forward force = to that of the spinning wheel.
larry

 

[pat32rf]

When one rear wheel is spinning either step on the brake for that wheel OR momentarily get off the go pedal (HST) and step on the rear axle lock when the wheels stop turning, then get back on the go pedal. You should have at least 3 wheels turning at this point, about the best you can hope for in a CUT

Some makes of tractor have pedal layouts that can make this pretty awkward unless you have both legs on the same side..

 

[Raspy]

4WD does not mean all 4 tires spin / get power, one back wheel will get power, and one front wheel will get power. if the tractor has a differential lock. then when 4WD is engaged and differential lock is engaged. both back tires get power and one front tire gets power.

it is how tractors to vehicles are setup. part of it is is for turning so nothing binds up and causes wheel slippage. to not putting extra force on transmission to shafts.

when on pavement or hard surfaces turn 4WD off. pavement and hard surfaces do not allow tires to slip any. and can as a result can put extra forces on things and break 4WD.

Not quite.

With an open differential both wheels are ALWAYS putting the same power to the ground. It's not "three wheel drive" or "one wheel drive". One wheel can be spinning and one can be stopped, but they are experiencing the same torque through the drive axles and putting the same driving force to the ground.

Open diff means equal torque and unequal speed.
Locked diff means unequal torque and equal speed.

So when you lock the differential, both wheels will spin, but one is experiencing more torque and driving the tractor with more force.

In four wheels drive and the vehicle turning a corner, there is slipping against the ground because the front and rear axles are making a different circle, or traveling a different distance. This is with no center differential in the transfer case to allow different speeds between the front and rear axles. So there is binding, but it's not a big deal unless the tractor is heavily loaded and on dry pavement.

Watch this video for better understanding:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAw79386WI]Around The Corner (1937) How Differential Steering Works - YouTube[/ame]

 

[karenlyn]

Welcome to TBN. Question is a little vague. What are you wanting to do with your 4WD?

does the pto have to be engaged for the 4 wheel drive to work? And if the front axle fluid is low will this prevent it form working? Thanks for any help. Karen

 

[RaydaKub]

does the pto have to be engaged for the 4 wheel drive to work? And if the front axle fluid is low will this prevent it form working? Thanks for any help. Karen

1) No. they are independent.
2) No. But it will likely prevent it from working several years from now.

Just add the front axle level check to your routine and top it off if necessary.

 

[LD1]

4WD does not mean all 4 tires spin / get power, one back wheel will get power, and one front wheel will get power.

Here we go again:confused2:

All wheels are powered in 4wd. 2 wheels are powered in 2wd.
larry

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when ya get stuck in the mud, one front wheel and one rear wheel with just 4WD is engaged. can and will just spin in the mud, leaving the other 2 wheels barely spinning or not spinning at all.

if a tire is not spinning, to me it is not getting power. at the differential. more so when you are stuck in the mud. or on ice / in snow, and ice skating on 4 tires.

:confused2:

Yes, the non spinning wheel is not delivering power, technically, since mech power requires motion. But, that wheel is delivering forward force = to that of the spinning wheel.
larry

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Not quite.

With an open differential both wheels are ALWAYS putting the same power to the ground. It's not "three wheel drive" or "one wheel drive". One wheel can be spinning and one can be stopped, but they are experiencing the same torque through the drive axles and putting the same driving force to the ground.

Open diff means equal torque and unequal speed.
Locked diff means unequal torque and equal speed.

So when you lock the differential, both wheels will spin, but one is experiencing more torque and driving the tractor with more force.

In four wheels drive and the vehicle turning a corner, there is slipping against the ground because the front and rear axles are making a different circle, or traveling a different distance. This is with no center differential in the transfer case to allow different speeds between the front and rear axles. So there is binding, but it's not a big deal unless the tractor is heavily loaded and on dry pavement.

Watch this video for better understanding:

Around The Corner (1937) How Differential Steering Works - YouTube

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

How we managed to hijack poor karens thread??

Karenlyn: Might you gives us some symptoms as to why you tink the 4wd is NOT working? What is the tractor doing? Is one of the front tires spinning?

And it is not a good idea to run the front axle low EVEN if you keep it out of 4wd. Just because they arent being driven by the driveshaft, the ground is still causing the axles/bearings inside there to spin. And without oil, it wont last long.

 

[Raspy]

does the pto have to be engaged for the 4 wheel drive to work? And if the front axle fluid is low will this prevent it form working? Thanks for any help. Karen

Maybe a bit more information would be helpful. Are you having trouble getting 4WD engaged? Or are you finding that not all the wheels "spin" when you get stuck?

The PTO and the fluid level don't prevent 4WD from engaging.

Sorry, but I'm not understanding your question very well. What seems to be not working?