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johnking

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I have had part of an oak fall from the neighbors property onto mine. The oak stradles the property line so I figure what fell on my property is mine. Correct me if I am wrong. This oak is at least 200(probably much older) years old and has a large amount of branches(tree sized). I would like to sell or make lumber for my future home rather than fire wood. Who do you call and what is the process? I will post pics later.
 
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Look in the classifieds or google for a portable sawmill in your area. Much easier to bring a portable mill to the tree than the other way around. A portable mill and operator will likely cost you $40 to $70 an hour with a minimum fee. I recommend finding a bandsaw mill.

Flatsawn is the easiest to do and will produce the most useable lumber. Think of projects you have in mind and get the lumber sawn accordingly. I generally like to have it sawn at 5/4.

You will need to dry the lumber before using it. Rule of thumb is 1 year of air drying per inch of thickness. You could also pay to have it kilned. Either way - you will want to acclimate it inside you house as a final step before building with it.

You can check out 301 Moved Permanently for my lame personal woodworking site. Click the "It's Milling Time" link on the left to see pics of the process.

Below that is a link called "making wood" which I put together to explain to some friends the steps to turn rough cut lumber into useable wood for furniture.

Sean
 
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What portion of the tree is legally yours depends on your state laws. Here, it doesn't matter where it falls if it was on the boundary, it is still jointly owned by you and the neighbor.
 
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What portion of the tree is legally yours depends on your state laws. Here, it doesn't matter where it falls if it was on the boundary, it is still jointly owned by you and the neighbor.

Same here.
 
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I have had part of an oak fall from the neighbors property onto mine. The oak stradles the property line so I figure what fell on my property is mine. Correct me if I am wrong. This oak is at least 200(probably much older) years old and has a large amount of branches(tree sized). I would like to sell or make lumber for my future home rather than fire wood. Who do you call and what is the process? I will post pics later.

Really? Where I'm from, we discuss with the neighbor to work something out. We don't worry about whose it is, we worry about who can use the wood or who has the tools to clean it up. Geez!
 
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Really? Where I'm from, we discuss with the neighbor to work something out. We don't worry about whose it is, we worry about who can use the wood or who has the tools to clean it up. Geez!

I agree, same here...

But I understand we can't choose our neighbors and some are more stubborn/greedy than others and that's when laws need to be considered. I've been lucky with my neighbors so far.
 
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I agree, same here...

But I understand we can't choose our neighbors and some are more stubborn/greedy than others and that's when laws need to be considered. I've been lucky with my neighbors so far.

Yeah, I guess you are right. Some people are just jerks. I have been very fortunate as well with our neighbors as well.
 
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NOt sure what the question is concerning??

Are you ask "Who do you call and what is the process?

Are you asking about the legal mater of who owns the wood?

OR are you already assuming it is yours and asking about the processing/milling of the wood?
 
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Really? Where I'm from, we discuss with the neighbor to work something out. We don't worry about whose it is, we worry about who can use the wood or who has the tools to clean it up. Geez!

Here you would have to pay to have it haul to the landfill/recycling center...

Sad State when a heritage oak falls out on field and no one wants it...
 
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Construction lumber is made from trunks. Firewood is made from branches. From that generalized statement I believe the reason is branches have grain that lends itself to bend and twist while the trunk wood tends to stay straight. It took me a while to find an article to support my theory. Stephan Woodworking - Trees and Lumber
 
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Also wood that "falls" usually falls for some reason. Decay, insect, wind, icing are common causes.

All can greatly affect the quality of milled lumber. It may cost more to get useable lumber from fallen oak than what you would pay at a lumber yard when bought in bulk.
 
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For clarification, is the crown on your property and the trunk on the neighbors or has it fallen so some trunk and some crown is on each parcel? Legally it may not matter, I don't know. But if you cut / separate the tree along the property line, the neighbor would need permission from you to recover any wood that would require him coming on to your land.

As stated earlier the crown is good firewood, not good for lumber.
 
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"I have had part of an oak fall from the neighbors property onto mine. The oak stradles the property line so I figure what fell on my property is mine."

This is a bit ambiguous, but I think you are saying that the tree was on his property and fell across the bounrdy between the two properties. You want what landed on your property. If that is the case, then I don't think it is your tree at all. The way I see it, if the tree fell from his property onto yours and damaged your fence, shed, house, or car, etc, he would be responsible for the damage. Even if there is no damage, he is responsible to clean up the debris and should clear it with you first before he or any workman go onto your property. With that the case, I think the wood is his if he wants it.

Having said that, I agree with the others who suggested that youu talk to him first, unless you already have a poor relationshiop with your neighbour. For all you know he may not want the wood and may give yo the whole tree. Or maybe he will just want the branches for firewood and will give the trunk to you because it is too large to chunk up and split anyway. WIth all of my neighbours the first thing we would have done was take a walk out to the tree and chew the fat while we consider what to do next.
 
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You are neighbors, best to avoid hard feelings.
 
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If it was on the line between properties, must sawmills won't want to cut it because it probably has nails in it.
 
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Act of god if it falls on your land. Just try and get the neighbor to pay for the damage it caused to your place to see who it belongs to. Anything that falls across the property line is not the responsibility of the person who owns the land that it's growing on, no matter how far across the line it is. The only exception is if there is an obvious problem to the tree or branch that is both documented and your concerns have been made to the neighbor in a way that you can prove. Usually hiring a tree expert.

As for selling it, good luck. Trees are a dime a dozen and it takes too much money to make it into something valuable enough to sell that those who do it have to do it in volume and sell it wholesale to those who can sit on it long enough to make a profit.

Better to just cut it into firewood if you don't want it for your own use

Eddie
 
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"I have had part of an oak fall from the neighbors property onto mine. The oak stradles the property line so I figure what fell on my property is mine."

This is a bit ambiguous, but I think you are saying that the tree was on his property and fell across the bounrdy between the two properties. You want what landed on your property. If that is the case, then I don't think it is your tree at all. The way I see it, if the tree fell from his property onto yours and damaged your fence, shed, house, or car, etc, he would be responsible for the damage. Even if there is no damage, he is responsible to clean up the debris and should clear it with you first before he or any workman go onto your property. With that the case, I think the wood is his if he wants it.

Having said that, I agree with the others who suggested that youu talk to him first, unless you already have a poor relationshiop with your neighbour. For all you know he may not want the wood and may give yo the whole tree. Or maybe he will just want the branches for firewood and will give the trunk to you because it is too large to chunk up and split anyway. WIth all of my neighbours the first thing we would have done was take a walk out to the tree and chew the fat while we consider what to do next.

Maybe in Canada, not in the US. When a tree falls and damages your property in the US unless it is a dead tree and or you have informed the owner of the tree it is a hazard the damage is yours to repair or fix or clean up.
 
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It's been my experience when a neighbors tree fell and tore up fence shed and garage,that I and my insurance were responsible for everything on my property.

As far as hiring a sawyer. I would only hire one by the board foot not by the hour. It cuts down on the FO time. Phone calls blade sharpening lunch fuel stops wife needs him etc etc. I paid .50 a bf to have it sawed here. .35 to haul it to him.
 
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I will talk to neighbor. We are have a good relationship. I will have firewood for years.
 
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This is about 1/4 of the tree. Huge base that split into several large tree like projections. The center was rotten.
 
 
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