1st Tractor - JD 3520 Questions

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Ironman70

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Pine River, MN
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Kubota Grand L3560 HST+
Researched options and usage requirements extensively and have decided to purchase a new John Deere 3520, open platform, with a 300CX loader and medium duty MX-5 rotary cutter. I'll be clearing raw, wooded land for a cabin / garage building site, building a new 800' driveway through the woods, and upgrading/maintaining a 1.5 mile access road/driveway that's basically an upgraded old logging road (needs fill in a few areas and extensive grading work (I'll add a land plane for this work next year).

To summarize: I'll use the machine on my 9 wooded acres and access to the property. I need my machine to cut brush, clear trees and do light logging and piling slash/brush for burning, build/maintain roads, light land prep and landscaping fill maintenance work, and plow snow in the winter. I don't plan to run a mid-mount mower as the price of a low time, used zero turn for finished mowing areas in the future is nearly the price of a 72" deck for this machine. And that will work in smaller tighter areas around trees. I also don't think I'll ever run a snowblower as the drive is just too long and too rough. I have a snowblower for maintaining small areas around the garage and house in the future. I plan to eventually add a front snow blade, a rear box blade, a land plane, and maybe rent a rear wood chipper or splitter in the future.

I've compared three machines. I have quotes on two brand new 2013 models and one on a carryover 2012 model with 4 hours on it. The machines are not apples-to-apples comparisons and that's what I'm looking for advice on.

Of the 2013 machines, both are specified with the larger tires and one has the mid pto option, one does not. They are coming in at $22K for the no pto option and the low $23K option with the mid pto (tractor only).

The 2012 machine with 4 hours has the smaller of the two tire options and no mid pto. I've inspected it carefully and it appears new, no fading, no damage, no rust in all respects. My final price quote is $19K.

Naturally, the 2013 machine quoting dealers are selling me on the value of the larger tires, 2013 newer model, and one of the guys on the need for a mid pto. I feel like I have oversized this tractor for my needs and plan to keep it for the long haul. While re-sale value is important, it's not a primary factor for me. I hope to have this thing for 25 years (or more).

Do I need the larger tires... really? I've driven the different tractors and they all seem very capable to me. Also, any "real world" advice on the mid pto? Does anyone think I will really miss this based on the description of intended use I've listed? One of the dealers (a good guy) stated: "I did some research and found if you don't have the mid pto option from the factory you don't get the rear SCV which is something your going to want."

The newer machines are significantly more up-front money at $3,200 to $4,300 more. That seems like a lot just to have a machine one year newer, with larger tires and maybe a mid-pto. But, I've never operated one of these long term. I just want to make the right decision for now and the future and have a machine I won't want to trade in. That will cost me more in the long run.

Any and all comments and advice welcome! Thank you!
 
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Do I need the larger tires... really?

No, it really sounds like you need a bigger machine that also happens to bigger tires. If you figure out the biggest tractor you think you need, double that, then add 10%, you're probably about at the right size :D

In many ways you're talking about tackling tasks bigger than what I'm doing, and I'm easily maxing out the capability I have, which is a significant amount higher than the 3520 with CX300 FEL. You can probably get most of the jobs done, but they will definitely take a lot longer than if you went bigger.

Just the 800' driveway, and 1.5mi road would have me looking at machines twice that size!
 
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Welcome Ironman,
I agree with Gman, sounds like a bigger tractor would fit your needs better and make your time use more efficient. Have you looked at the Deere 5 series? My 5045d utility came in just about 22k with a loader set up how I wanted it. No frills, but it can handle anything I've thrown at it. Just a thought, but as they say, 'tractors shrink when you get them home.' Good luck, and keep us posted on whatever you decide!

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A couple of things, just wondering about. :confused3: You mentioned some of the implements that you will be getting in the future. Those implements are widely used to groom and maintain roads and drives and yet you say that the road is too rough to ever use a snow blower on. Don't really care about the snow blower, just wondering why the road will remain rough? You will have the equipment to make it like glass. Is there a particular reason that the road will remain rough? :confused:

With that much road to take care of, I highly recommend that you get one of these to go along with the box blade and LPGS. Sure makes working with roads so much nicer to have all the right implements to use when needed.

Last, get a tractor that will weigh in at a minimum of 6000lbs GVW. That will allow you to get some work done in a timely manor. Not that the smaller machines can't do all the same work, but no where as fast.

I personally would be looking in the 40-50hp range with the weight capacity mentioned. ;)
 
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I have a john deere 3320, and I really like it. It's awesome for my farm work, but it's not built for the land clearing that I need done on about 4 acres, which is why I'm debating a small bulldozer... I don't know if there is a tractor for you that will do it all, I know for me there isn't. On my land, farming and earth moving/clearing/stump removal/creek dredging are two very different tasks that use very different machinery. Best, Matt
 
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Thanks to all for the advice to date. MtnViewRanch: I understand your confusion. I wasn't very clear. I hope to make the road "like glass." But, in my experience, even the best maintained gravel roads cause havoc with snow blowers. I simply won't be interested in one and I've used plows for years on similar roads with good results.

I know many of you are recommending the larger machine. I'm on a limited budget to still allow for site work and building construction in the next 24 months. I had already planned to buy a 2 series just for brush cutting, simple pot hole filling and driveway grading, and mowing. Then (as some have suggested) I did go up one size.

Back to the original question... knowing I don't really plan to run a snow blower or mid-mount mower deck, can anyone think of something I might be missing with this configuration with no mid pto?
 
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Mentioning a budget, do you just have to have a John Deere? You could get quite a bit more tractor if you were to get one of the Korean makes. ;)
 
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If you pick something other than the most expensive brand around, you can get the capability you need, and stay within your budget. Deere makes nice machines, but if the model that fits your budget isn't up to your tasks, you'd be better served with something that is.
 
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Seems like I'm getting a lot of extra advice. I've thoroughly reviewed the other options, and used options. I've looked at and driven Kubota, Mahindra, New Holland, and John Deere. I also have the best dealer resources close to me with a JD tractor. I've heard the phrase "buy the dealer, not the tractor." I realize they are more $$. I'm also a below knee amputee with prosthetic. The JD was the most ergonomic for me.
 
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Seems like I'm getting a lot of extra advice. I've thoroughly reviewed the other options, and used options. I've looked at and driven Kubota, Mahindra, New Holland, and John Deere. I also have the best dealer resources close to me with a JD tractor. I've heard the phrase "buy the dealer, not the tractor." I realize they are more $$. I'm also a below knee amputee with prosthetic. The JD was the most ergonomic for me.

Congrats on getting your new machine. My tractor has never been back to a dealer. I think that phrase is nuts. ymmv
What happened to"Any and all comments and advice welcome!"?
 
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Seems like I'm getting a lot of extra advice.

That's kind of what happens when you start off saying "Any and all advice and comments welcome". ;)

I've heard the phrase "buy the dealer, not the tractor."

Probably as many people disagree with that theory as support it. Then again, buying a tractor that's likely undersized for your tasks may over task it, making dealer repairs necessary.
 
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If you don't plan on a front mount blower or a Mid mower, then I wouldn't worry about a mid PTO. If it's like the 4x20's, The mid PTO can be dealer installed at a later date, and the 3rd rear SCV. If you are only dealing with 9 acres, this size will work for you. I would be a little worried if you have allot of sloped ground, then I would say go to a 4x20. I understand what you are saying with ergonomics...especially if you have some disability. The eHydro requires very little effort to actuate the pedals. I choose to buy John Deere because they have served me well for many years, and as long as that continues, I would not consider anything else. Even though they are high priced, they are the best value for me.
I would be tempted to go up to a 4x20 though, wider, heavier, more loader lift.
 
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Ironman, if you intend to keep this machine for many years as you said, then I'd recommend getting the 2013 with the larger tires and mid-PTO. It's not THAT much more money, it is a year newer (which is nothing really), it does have the larger tires, and someday you may find a need for the mid-PTO.

I don't know if there were any other tweaks or improvements between the 2012 and 2013 models. But the cost difference spread over 20 years is very little. At least that's how I'd rationalize it if I were buying it.

Features are important, but comfort is more important. It sounds like you've found a model that fits you and your budget, and that's the main thing. Let us know how it turns out.
 
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I'll close out the post with an update on the final purchase decision. I wish I should change the thread title to reflect Kubota.

I researched the Kubota line in the 30-40 hsp range and decided on a Kubota Grand L3560 (no cab). I also picked up the loader, a 3-way hydraulic blade, and a 5' medium duty rotary cutter. It's a fine machine and I think it is perfect size +1 for our current and future use. I'm looking forward to putting it to good use getting our new river property ready for a cabin next year -- and for many years to come. I'm happy I found this forum/site and I appreciate the feedback and advice on the tractor selection. I'll post pics when I get them off the camera.
 
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I'll close out the post with an update on the final purchase decision. I wish I should change the thread title to reflect Kubota.

I researched the Kubota line in the 30-40 hsp range and decided on a Kubota Grand L3560 (no cab). I also picked up the loader, a 3-way hydraulic blade, and a 5' medium duty rotary cutter. It's a fine machine and I think it is perfect size +1 for our current and future use. I'm looking forward to putting it to good use getting our new river property ready for a cabin next year -- and for many years to come. I'm happy I found this forum/site and I appreciate the feedback and advice on the tractor selection. I'll post pics when I get them off the camera.


Congratulations Ironman! Have fun! Looking forward to seeing those pics.

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The new Kubota...
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lookin good now put her to work
 
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Very nice! Enjoy.
 
 
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