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#21  
As Ernie said, maybe the statement "we only work on our machines" is a way to tell a customer who is likely going to be a problem to go away. Another would be to price the service at such a rate that he won't take the offer...or if he does, you are well compensated for the risks and headaches.
 
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In other words I should screw you on a repair because your business is an inconvenience to me. I won’t do it. It is not good business. If my workload goes up then my business gets bigger and I get more efficient at what I do and ultimately the products I sell are cheaper. As far as customers that feel that they are getting screwed on the service cost I don’t personally see any of that. All I see are people happy that they finally found someone to fix their tractor. I do agree they are upset but mostly because of being turned away by repair shops "because they didn’t buy the tractor there". I personally feel obligated to all paying customers that includes service customers. I have had customers that spent $3k on repairs and customers that have spent $3k on a tractor. Tell me which one deserves better treatment.
 
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If I have a customer that is a pain in the [censored] I tell them to go somewhere else because they are a pain in the [censored]. Why lie to them?
 
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Because they might have friends/family members who aren't a pain. Every service has its price, even for us SOB's.
 
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Whoa!!!!! Obviously I stirred up a hornets nest. I did not realize that service for grey market tractors was so passionate a subject.

Everyone knows I am new here but I still have a viewpoint.

As a grey market buyer, I realize there are sellers with no service facilities. I respect their business but would probably steer clear for obvious reasons. What buyer wants to buy the orphan or red headed stepchild? (please realize I intend no insult to anyone who fits this description. In fact, my wife, who I love dearly, has both a step mother and a step father and RED HAIR!)/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.

Grey market tractors are generally less expensive than their fully accepted counterparts because we realize they have some facets that don't meet US standards.

BUT!!, If we see that the seller is, in fact a dealer, with service facilities, We expect that we will be allowed to use those facilities. WE do not see this as a charity case, We expect to pay for this service and we expect that this will be at a rate that will provide the service facility with a profit.

Yes, there are customers who ***** if the actual repair is more expensive than originally estimated but this is not something that is restricted to grey market tractor purchasers. This type of person exists with every service based business in America and perhaps the entire world. I think this excuse not to service the tractor purchased elsewhere is just a copout.

If you have a business where you sell a service to some, but not to others, you are guilty of discrimination. I know this may make business more complicated but,......... thats business.

If I know that my purchase of tractor is at a provider who is the only person in the world who will service my tractor, I am taking a risk by purchasing from that provider. We talked about buyers who move, How about providers who, for any number of reasons, go out of business. Maybe the owner gets seriously ill or (God forbid) he dies. My tractors value is seriously hurt because I now no longer have a facility which will provide necessary service?

I also believe a two tiered level of pricing for the same service is clearly discriminatory and probably illegal.

Please understand that I respect the difficulty of operating a business and realize you cannot possibly please every customer. but you also must follow the rules of the land.

I expect to be treated in a fair fashion at a reasonable price at any business I patronize. I also realize that the businessman must operate at a profit to stay in operation. Is that such a difficult concept??

I intend no insult to any of the fine folks on this board who obviously know volumes more about tractors than me, but if you desire, flame away. I also have been informed for years that I am a *******.
 
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It is a loose loose. They are going to be mad at you either way. Be honest with them maybe they didn’t know they were jerks. I told a guy to leave once because he was cussing up a storm in front of my son. He didn’t even realize he was doing it and apologized. Some customers are not worth all the money in the world what do you do with them if you’re afraid to tell them the truth?
 
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There are some ways of doing it that are discriminatory, but others that are not--you can't charge more for credit transactions, but you can give a discount for cash. Sams club sells gas--if you are not a member, you get less of a discount. So surcharges aren't ok, but discounts are.

Any dealer can say "I don't feel comfortable doing that repair", or "I don't have time". If, however, you are routinely denying service for other than business reasons (i.e. you take business from Catholics, but not Baptists) it is discriminatory.

You can do it based on almost any business reason but not for race, religion, ethnicity, or ***.
 
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Service laws in the state of Washington say your service price (for All customers) has to be clearly visible to the customer permanently mounted to the wall and is one fixed hourly rate. You can refuse service if they are abusive, vulgar or they do not have the ability to pay.
 
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As a surgeon, there were always patients that you could tell were never going to be happy, no matter what you did. In that case, you either referred them on to someone more specialised, or told them you didn't have anything to offer them.
 
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I thought that you were not allowed to purchase from Sams Club for any price if you were not a member. I know they do not charge a higher price for items sold inside their stores for items purchased in cash or credit card.

I understand your reasons for denying service to anyone who is abusive or vulgar but I dont think that is what we are discussing here.

Denying service to Catholics or Baptists is obviously discriminatory but denying service because you did not buy your tractory from me is also clearly discriminatory. If you offer a false reason for this refusal, you are still discriminating, though it may be up to lawers to prove it in court.
 
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Sam's clubs that have gas have three prices--The lowest for members, the second lowest for non-members who pay with a Walmart gift card, the highest for non-members who pay by credit card (they don't take cash, but you can go next door to Walmart to get the gift card). Even the highest price is 7 cents lower than brand gas and 3 cents lower than non-brand gas.
 
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My local dealer.

I had a similar experience with a mower I just bought a few months ago. It is a trail mower for my atv. Well it's engine blew up and I thought it was under warranty.(Briggs+Stratton) So I brought it to my local lawn mower place. The owner asked me where I bought it. I tell him from cabellas. He says he doesnt even want to look at it, Briggs and Stratton doesn't even pay his hourly rate so it's not even worth his time. And I should have bought it local instead of mail order. Now one thing he did for me is show me what a greedy Ba#$#%d he was and guarantee I will never patronize his place again. I think he wasn't concerned about making money but he just didn't like it that I didn't purchase from him.
 
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Re: My local dealer.

Sounds like Briggs and Stratton pays a significantly lower hourly rate than is standard for repairs. Therefore if you didn't buy it there, he won't do the lower rate work. If he has plenty of work, he does the work that pays the best. Sounds like the HMO's in medicine (We'll give you lots or work, but we pay 40-50 cents on the dollar,-- when your average payment is 63 cents you say no.)
 
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Re: My local dealer.

I have repaired some machines that were nightmares!!
Just ask Leonard, he got us the parts.
We had an F16-D torn apart for a person from Oregon
in 250 pcs. (no joke) gears everywhere.
It was a job that we really didnt want,but we swallowed hard and took it on,
We charged the customer $350. for 3 days of solid work.
Why 350? Because he was willing to wait & his attitude was what you call a gentlemen. As a result, he is now a member of yanmar bynet !

Im sorry, but in my shop (sometimes) attitude dictates the price.
 
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I am the proud owner of a Shibaura but I've been hitchhiking on your site every since I started my search for a tractor. I've thoroughly enjoyed all of your comments and advice. Since I'm not a business owner (as far as tractors are concerned), I can't reasonably comment on pricing policies. I'm sure all of you are right in some respects. I would like to say that we are all consumers--at one time or another-- searching for a product or service. For instance, I recently took my Dodge pickup to a dealer who wanted to charge me $650.00 for what amounted to a tuneup (replacing plugs and wires, servicing the throttle body etc). I did it myself and saved $575.00 and it only took 1.5 hours. Bottom line is that I felt they wanted to CHEAT me and I'll never use their service unless I have no other choice. I respect your expertise and integrity and will close by saying 'please treat us (consumers who are trying to get the best bang for the buck) like you would want to be treated.' I read that somewhere. Fantastic site with fantastic people!!!!
jesse
 
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One of the benefits of this site is it helps get the consumer pointed in the right direction and helps him to stay away from the shadier side. Every issue has multiple sides. No one dealer can be everything to everyone. On the other hand, being polite and respectful goes a long way in getting others to help you (always say please and thank you and bring some beer for the end of the day when you come to pick up your machine).
 
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#38  
Works well and you get a lot of good will for the cost of a six pack. Most people appreciate being told thank you and that you appreciate their expertise and help (alot of times in medicine this is much more important than being paid).
 
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I forgot to mention
Along with the 350. came a case of michelob !!!

For a job well done.
 
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And the thank you is what makes it all worthwhile, doesn't it.
 

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