No breed contract on dog?

[Sigarms]

"Generally speaking, the only reason why you "buy" a dog at a shelter is because the dog is up to date on all it's shots and is generally spayed or nurtured."

I know this is unpopular, but; if you exchange money for a good or service, I consider that "buying"; you pay a shelter to "adopt" a dog or cat, thats "buying".

Shelters have gotten expensive too; was surprised people are paying $350 for a shelter dog... That surprised me. I understand they need to generate revenue to do their work, just surprised by the "price".

Yes, you can call it fees, adoption rate, "good home certificate", whatever, but its a purchase.

Let's just say in general, shelters aren't making money where people make a comfortable living. In general, I would guess the cost of the adoption would cover medical treatment, which in most if all not all cases, would still be cheaper if you took the animal to the vet yourself.

I'd be curious as to what and where are shelters charging $350 per adoption? Any links?

 

[paulsharvey]

Honestly I don't if you try to save the world of not.

I responded because you were crying about the contract and how they shouldn't be able to dictate to you with what you do with your dog.

My only point is you sign the contract and break it, you run the risk of losing the dog or even perhaps money. Tough titties.

However, you spent another $300 so you can breed the dog, so I'm assuming no issues on your end now?

I let wife decide that. I would have been fine buying one at 1/2 or 1/4 the price without papers. I wouldnt have had an issue just saying "yes", and telling the lady the dog died or blocking her. It aint a kid, its a dog, its not like its got DNA tracking.

 

[paulsharvey]

Let's just say in general, shelters aren't making money where people make a comfortable living. In general, I would guess the cost of the adoption would cover medical treatment, which in most if all not all cases, would still be cheaper if you took the animal to the vet yourself.

I'd be curious as to what and where are shelters charging $350 per adoption? Any links?

Human Society of North Central Florida is $350 for pups less than 5 months old; $300 for small/medium adults, and $175 for adult large breeds.

I think they are upto like $75+ for cats

Dogs & Puppies - Humane Society of North Central Florida

Find a furry friend to give a forever home at the Humane Society of North Central Florida. Visit us to see available dogs and puppies.

www.humanesocietyncfl.org

Edit: Im not saying the shelters are Making money, I was just saying even buying there has gotten expensive.

BTW, we own our pets, we arent "pet parents", that kinda stuff annoys me. We take good care of them, treat them well, and at the end of their time, they get a hole and treat and a 1 way walk to the woods. No funeral, no cremation, just good memories, and a good life.

 

[Sigarms]

Human Society of North Central Florida is $350 for pups less than 5 months old; $300 for small/medium adults, and $175 for adult large breeds.

I think they are upto like $75+ for cats

Dogs & Puppies - Humane Society of North Central Florida

Find a furry friend to give a forever home at the Humane Society of North Central Florida. Visit us to see available dogs and puppies.

www.humanesocietyncfl.org

Edit: Im not saying the shelters are Making money, I was just saying even buying there has gotten expensive.

BTW, we own our pets, we arent "pet parents", that kinda stuff annoys me. We take good care of them, treat them well, and at the end of their time, they get a hole and treat and a 1 way walk to the woods. No funeral, no cremation, just good memories, and a good life.

I guess the question is what would your vet charge you to spay or neuter your dog along with microchipped along with heartworm tested along with their up to date charges?

Honestly, other than my wife's first dog, a yellow english lab, pretty much all of our our dogs were free because we literally found them somewhere (total of 10 plus the english lab).

English lab my wife's first husband wanted and they paid big bucks for it as a puppy. Let's just say her first husband didn't take his wedding vows seriously, and she divorced him. They had the puppy for about 6 months, and after she left him, he told her he didn't want the dog now. She ended up taking the dog because there was no way she was going to see if they could take the dog back or worse, take it to a shelter. One reason why my wife fell in love with me was because of that dog LOL

My only point is people can be fickle (no different than my wife's first husband). The only difference between pets and kids is if people change their mind about a pet, they can normally dump them off somewhere. With kids, you generally don't have that choice. As mentioned, owning a pet is really no different than owning a kid, they cost money when they live with you.

Although we now only have 2 dogs left out of the 10 over the years, and all those dogs were "free", I can guarantee you some of the vet bills would surprise you if you've never owned a dog.

 

[Runner]

Although we now only have 2 dogs left out of the 10 over the years, and all those dogs were "free", I can guarantee you some of the vet bills would surprise you if you've never owned a dog.

We recently got a letter of appreciation from our vet, letting us know we are one of their "top customers".....a dubious honor for sure.

 

[Rockbadchild]

On/off topic, is really is incredible how we as humans have breed dogs into being so natural at certain things. German Short Hairs, they naturally want to point birds (or whatever). Beagles on rabbits, ect. Retrievers want to get things and bring them back to you.

Physically, selecting for size/build, thats not hard to understand; I mostly mean the instinctual intelligence.

Our make GSD doesnt care at all about rabbits or deer. That mutt-beagle-jack Russell, if she smells deer blood, or squirrel, she automatically goes to shaking, and ready to chase it. Not trained to track, not even positive reinforcement, just instinct to track.

I am surprised your GSD doesn't care for critters, I feel like mine would make a good hunter companion, she can see and hear better then my lab and will smell in the air which give her a edge... I haven't hunt with her yet but I think she will be great, the only problem I can see with her is to give the critter back... She love tug of war, she give it eventually but the state of the critter at that point might be less then ideal.... and that's where my lab excel is in her soft mouth, her excitement/work ethics and stamina...

and yes humans have done a incredible job with breeding animals not just dogs but across the board. Signs of selected breeding in horses has been identified thousand of years ago.

 

[MossRoad]

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Training does a lot, but you have trouble training a Lab to pull sleds, and trouble training a GSD to be an upland bird dog.

Sorry, couldn't resist....

 

[paulsharvey]

Bruja, pronounced "brew'ha", or Witch.

 

[MossRoad]

Anyone remember that guy named Suter that ran standard poodles in the Iditarod? They banned him after a few years because they said the dogs weren't suited to the extreme cold, but in warmer climates, they did/do just fine.

 

[Sigarms]

We recently got a letter of appreciation from our vet, letting us know we are one of their "top customers".....a dubious honor for sure.

Believe me, we know all to well the feeling about being your vets top customers LOL

 

[MossRoad]

Believe me, we know all to well the feeling about being your vets top customers LOL

We have a $9000 cat!

 

[Carl_NH]

We have a $9000 cat!

Not a mini excavator, a wallet excavator

We had a similar slightly less costly cat and vet care that ultimately was unsuccessful - you do what you need to do to care for your pets.

 

[Sigarms]

Not a mini excavator, a wallet excavator

We had a similar slightly less costly cat and vet care that ultimately was unsuccessful - you do what you need to do to care for your pets.

Very long story, I was helping a stranger on the side of the road by his house in a housing development. Dog was running all over the place, wasn't his, and he was complaining the dog lived across the street and owners never seems to keep track of the dog and they let it run everywhere.

Dog running across the street, got run over. Thought it was dead but saw it was actually more in shock than anything else, and there was no minor or massive tissue damage on the dog.

Just so happened my vet was only a couple miles away and took the dog in my car to her (vet).

The "owner" of the dog showed up at the vets later (they talked to the neighbor across the street who I was helping and I told him what vet I was going to). They wanted the dog back, but had nothing on the dog per vet papers, rabies tag, collar or anything. They came into the vets office after all the work was done on the dog, I told them that they could have the dog back after they paid the vet bill. They shut up pretty quick and left without even trying to work something out per a payment plan.

My vet said I should name her Miracle, so the name stuck and we called her Mira for short.

She's the one with the stick LOL (Jack behind her).

Both dogs found great homes, and I can assure you, the $100 adoption fee for Mira came no where close for that one vet visit (let alone the couple of follow up visits) LOL

This is one reason why in animal rescue work, a home visit is not a bad thing. When you spend time to train a dog and have it become a part of your "family", there has to be some kind of vetting process to ensure that both the family and dog are a good fit for each other.

Most people on this forum have and use common sense. You will find when you deal with the general public, people looking for pets sometimes don't really use common sense (believe me LOL).

Both dogs are probably long gone by now, but the memories last a lifetime as most of the dogs we took in stayed with us for at least 6 months because it takes time to figure a dog out because they don't talk

 

[scaredychicken]

I don't know much about this, so my opinion is not that direct, but I have heard of these contracts to avoid competition (I think that is easily argued though with a purchase) and to protect bloodlines and breeding specifics (that seems like a stronger point). I think the contracts are legitimate, PROOF of violations is a different matter. Integrity also matters

see if this breeder has references, so you can talk to other clients that are with or without a similar contract

if uncomfortable or uncertain, find another source - there are lots of purebred G Ss that are not fixed

any rescue or SPCA would only deliver a fixed dog, so there is that ...

all that said, I have no interest in anything but a dog, possible a rescue, so I care not if it is fixed

all the best as you decide

 

[Runner]

there has to be some kind of vetting process to ensure that both the family and dog are a good fit for each other.

We had to write an "essay" before we could get Ace.

 

[MossRoad]

One of our local cat shelters is pretty nosey in as far as the amount of information they want from you before adopting a cat or dog. Home visit, etc., too.

However, their overflow lady is pretty reasonable. She has several catteries behind her house. Clean, tons of volunteers. Cats are socialized. She just asks some basic questions, you pick out a cat, pay $65 that covered spay/neuter and shots, and off you go. We've gotten 4-5 cats from her over the years.

 

[CH4Ohio]

"Generally speaking, the only reason why you "buy" a dog at a shelter is because the dog is up to date on all it's shots and is generally spayed or nurtured."

I know this is unpopular, but; if you exchange money for a good or service, I consider that "buying"; you pay a shelter to "adopt" a dog or cat, thats "buying".

Shelters have gotten expensive too; was surprised people are paying $350 for a shelter dog... That surprised me. I understand they need to generate revenue to do their work, just surprised by the "price".

Yes, you can call it fees, adoption rate, "good home certificate", whatever, but its a purchase.

If you buy a puppy without breeding rights, you're simply buying a future neutered/spayed dog. Breeders would neuter and spay them as puppies, before the sale, if they could. They put this provision in so that you will spay/neuter after about 6 months or at the proper time as your vet recommends.

Some rescue organizations insist on spaying and neutering pups. They don't trust the owners to follow-through. This often causes lifelong problems for the female pups and neither male or female has the opportunity to mature with a normal hormone count. This is pretty common these days, unfortunately.

Anyway . . . if you buy without breeding rights, just don't plan to breed.

And a GSD is MUCH more manageable . . . and safe . . . if spayed or neutered.

 

[CH4Ohio]

I don't know much about this, so my opinion is not that direct, but I have heard of these contracts to avoid competition (I think that is easily argued though with a purchase) and to protect bloodlines and breeding specifics (that seems like a stronger point). I think the contracts are legitimate, PROOF of violations is a different matter. Integrity also matters

It doesn't mean you can't breed the animal and produce pups.

It means you can't REGISTER those pups with the AKC or CKC.

In other words, you can't breed and sell "pure bred" dogs from an animal sold without "breeding rights".

 

[Rockbadchild]

And a GSD is MUCH more manageable . . . and safe . . . if spayed or neutered.

much ?? for males I can somewhat buy it, for female I don't buy it, but I'll let you make your point? ...

My female has no temperament changes when she is in heat, if that's what you are referring to and there is health benefit in not spaying. Like avoid surgical risks, preserve hormones for long-term health (bones and joints), maintain working drive and athleticism (kinda the reason I got a GSD).

 

[Sigarms]

We had to write an "essay" before we could get Ace.
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Long story short, some people can write and convey their thoughts better that others. Same thing about talking over the phone.

Get with the people, meet with them in person, see where the pet is going and generally you can get a pretty good feel of things from both the people wanting the animal and those doing the fostering of the animal. One reason why I was a big proponent of a home visit (you actually get to know the people by spending time with them). By the same token, if the people looking to adopt wanted to visit the pet in their current home, they were always more than welcome to visit us.