No breed contract on dog?

[CH4Ohio]

I understand this to maintain legacy bloodlines and protecting from breeding for profit purposes.

If all you intend to do is have 1 or 2 litters, I would say buy the female and have the 1-2 litters and say no more, don't advertise as having papers etc. etc.

Your other option is find a similar female, non registered, have a litter or two.

I'm assuming (tell me if I'm wrong) -- you would like to have pups and have them registered.

I don't know why anyone would intentionally breed registered GSDs whose pups couldn't be registered. It's just not a viable business model and people looking for those dogs might be scary to deal with.

If you want to breed pure bred dogs, buy dogs with the right to breed. It's a simple check-box on the registration forms.

 

[paulsharvey]

I'm assuming (tell me if I'm wrong) -- you would like to have pups and have them registered.

I don't know why anyone would intentionally breed registered GSDs whose pups couldn't be registered. It's just not a viable business model and people looking for those dogs might be scary to deal with.

If you want to breed pure bred dogs, buy dogs with the right to breed. It's a simple check-box on the registration forms.

I'll bet without papers, you can charge $750/per. Selling pups is not a business plan for us, wife wants the option to have a litter, keep maybe a replacement for the male one day, maybe give some pups to family, and sure, recoup some expense. I really dont think she's worried about pups papers.

She told me the lady got back with her, and $300 extra buys breeding rights, so I think she's just going to do it.

For the record, best dog I ever had was a free beagle-jack Russell, dachshund mix. Looked like a sawed off beagle. As a kid, Dad's brother breed dobbermans, and nobody ever wanted the femalea; so dad got 1 or 2 females for free/trade from his brother.

We have also had pure, but non paper, pits, and dobbermans, as well as took a mutt-hound-jack Russell, to help a friend.

My worry, puppies are cute, and if she breeds a litter, is the wife gonna be wanting to keep several...

 

[paulsharvey]

BTW, our dogs, some people would be upset, but, gasp, live outside. Yes, Large covered porch, unlocked crates, with blankets and even a space heater on nights below 40' F, but it seems today that treating a dog as an animal is borderline criminal. They get feed twice per day, walked, balls thrown, played with, ect; but people always seem shocked that they dont live in the house.

Heck, in summer, we have a fan for them during the day...

 

[Rockbadchild]

Your in Florida lol some dogs live outside in Canada …

What the blood line of that GSD ? American ?

 

[paulsharvey]

Your in Florida lol some dogs live outside in Canada …

What the blood line of that GSD ? American ?

German, I dont know the details. The male is a medium hair, German line, GSD. The female, she at first wanted an all black, medium hair, and now she's pretty much decided on a dark, but not all black, medium-long haired, German lines.

 

[paulsharvey]

The female she is in discussion on, and the male, we got in Feb 2020, so hes actually 6 years old.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Cute!! my guess and likelihood would be West German line.

 

[paulsharvey]

As a kid... our dogs often had the tips of their ears missing from frost bite (WVa), and i can't think of a single time they came in the house. Ours, now, we let them if for a bit every now and again, but they live outside.

We also had a half dozen cats as a kid, that didnt have names, and just kinda lived in the barn (often sleeping on the sheep), and they all had pieces of their ears or tail tips missing from frost bite. We never considered it cruel, just animals live outside and people live inside.

 

[Rockbadchild]

yeah same here no frost bite tho for some reason, she would go sleep in the barn if it was too cold but there was a ice patch ( melted snow) on the deck where she would sleep.

 

[Jstpssng]

People are selling mutts for unbelievable prices. There are also many who don't care about papers, as long as it's a healtgy specimen the breed they want.

While some of the prices are crazy, I won't breed because I don't know- or care to learn- enough about genetics to produce healthy pups.

 

[paulsharvey]

People are selling mutts for unbelievable prices. There are also many who don't care about papers, as long as it's a healtgy specimen the breed they want.

While some of the prices are crazy, I won't breed because I don't know- or care to learn- enough about genetics to produce healthy pups.

Just dont breed direct family members, and preferably not cousins. Now, actual show animals, thats a whole other world. I dont know (or care) about breed standards, and how to get a champion, i know what a GSD or a pit or beagle "should" look like, but thats not the same as a breed standard

At one time, maybe still, stud fee for a male dog, was one of his daughters, so the male's owner could breed a litter in a year. Thats were a lot of the inbreeding comes from.

I have coworker that breeds and sells show pigs. He keeps a high quality, former all county sow, and orders AI straws. Funny, show pigs are so much more wimpy/less viable than regular pigs. Can't be too cold, can't be too hot, throw smaller litters, birthing problems because the head is larger. They prefer lean, muscle frames, so the cold kills them (thats Florida cold, not northern cold).

Live stock showing, you took one of the hardest animals around, and have to give it a heat lamp when its 50 degrees... And you also breed a meat animal, into something that doesnt even have the best pork...

 

[MossRoad]

Back around 1986/7 we had some friends that bred Cairn Terriers (Toto from the Wizard of Oz). They had one male that was not show quality (very specific set of particulars for show Cairns), so they gave him to us for free, but we had to sign papers that we wouldn't breed him and had to get him snipped. No big deal, as we just wanted a pet.

He looked a lot like this. Great dog. Thought he was 80#.

 

[Runner]

Some breeders sell either with or without breeding rights, charging accordingly. I believe that you pay almost double for those rights.

That's how it is in the Shih Tzu world. Our family has bought registered dogs (male and female) from two different breeders in the past few years and both were that way.

That being said, the best one we've had was a rescue Shih Tzu/Japanese Chin mix from the pound. He was kind of a unicorn...

 

[MossRoad]

With so many dogs in the pound, rescue facilities, etc.... I don't think I'd ever purchase a pure bred dog as I have no intention of breeding them or showing them. I just want a pet. You can get specific breed rescues if you're looking for that.

 

[Fixastuff]

I got a wonderful German Shepard at the pound. All the pure/papered animal owners I know have medical issues. So addition to paying 2500 for papers(lol) you’ll probably be spending double that on hip replacements or have to put it down.

 

[Quaffer]

With so many dogs in the pound, rescue facilities, etc.... I don't think I'd ever purchase a pure bred dog as I have no intention of breeding them or showing them. I just want a pet. You can get specific breed rescues if you're looking for that.

I don't disagree but I have had the opposite experience.

We had a wonderful, loving dog we obtained from a very nice person who breeds purebred dogs. aka a "backyard breeder."

Starting at age 5, he began having medical problems and complications. Spent tens of thousands of dollars on care, and it involved incredible heartache. Only after he passed did we learn others in his litter had similar conditions, some nearly identical, also including conditions passed down through the parents. We were not aware of the parent dog's medical issues previously. Considering the financial and emotional drain, we did a great deal of research before getting another dog so we would minimize the chance of repeating that.

A professional breeder should have a full lineage to show the entire family tree, along with testing for eye, hip, neurological, or other potential problems-- not just with the pup you are about to get but also documents from the parents. That data is not a guarantee, but I believe it significantly lessens the chance of us repeating our past experience.

I'm not saying there is a right or a wrong way, just that we did a 180 degree turn based on our experience ....

 

[Highlandr]

Live stock showing, you took one of the hardest animals around, and have to give it a heat lamp when its 50 degrees... And you also breed a meat animal, into something that doesnt even have the best pork.

I have a cousin that shows sheep. We were down at the barn helping her and her mom & dad do their annual whatever doctoring it is you do to sheep. I noted that the sheep had huge hind quarters. Dad smacked one on the rump and said, "Yep. That's what the judges are looking for right there." "The one that will have the best meat quality?" "Yep."

And here I thought livestock showing was like dog showing. Strict measurements, shape of the body/head, coat and all that.

I guess there's different types of livestock showing.

 

[RayIN]

Maybe im missing something from people really into breeds; but why would a castrated dog need paperwork? I thought the only reason anyone would bother with "registered" would be for breeding? You dont worry about bloodlines in a steer...

And gelding horses.

 

[2manyrocks]

Nice 8 y/o GSD at my local shelter for $170.

 

[paulsharvey]

Nice 8 y/o GSD at my local shelter for $170.

Hopefully it finds a good home, but I wouldnt ever adopt an adult dog. Not that it can't work for people, but I much prefer raising a puppy from as young as possible, with you, your other animal, your kids, ect. They are pack animals, and you become their pack from a young age.