No breed contract on dog?

[Jstpssng]

It costs half of what I paid for my lab to get a dog from the pound. Often they are dogs imported from other states. You don't know what they've been through and are inheriting somebody else's mistakes.
My last dog was what some call a "rescue"; he spent the first year of his life on a chain and didn't know anything. He was a great dog but was constantly getting injured because he didn't know any better.

My dog doesn't sit around the house; he goes with me. Truck, snowsled, ATV, boat, if I'm there chances are that he is also. I want labs for the temperament and for hunting. My current is the last puppy I'll ever have. With luck I'll be headed toward 80 when he's gone. Truth is, he may outlive me.

 

[MossRoad]

We've adopted several old cats from shelters just to give them a comfortable last few years. Nobody wants the old cats and dogs.

 

[Dan Hunter]

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These and other dogs within my immediate family came from a single breeder. All five were sterilized under contract. It is a large operation but is exceptionally managed. No one is allowed on site other than the one vet that has a facility on site. Breeding is carefully considered and managed.

Hasn't Somalia demonstrated the problem with ill-considered breeding?

 

[MossRoad]

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These and other dogs within my immediate family came from a single breeder. All five were sterilized under contract. It is a large operation but is exceptionally managed. No one is allowed on site other than the one vet that has a facility on site. Breeding is carefully considered and managed.

Hasn't Somalia demonstrated the problem with ill-considered breeding?

No more that than Oklahoma....

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[Dan Hunter]

Was that a sentence?

 

[MossRoad]

Was that a sentence?

Apparently not!

 

[rontaki]

We've adopted several old cats from shelters just to give them a comfortable last few years. Nobody wants the old cats and dogs.

Good on you, karma points!

 

[Molalla1]

My breeder for my mini Australian shepard did this. I found it weird and asked her why. Something about protecting her show dogs from other breeders. View attachment 4836149View attachment 4836150

I always neuter my dogs so it was no big concern. He has show dog DNA, but now he has run of the ranch and helps me check fence.

I've also have a mini-Ausie, great dogs.

 

[Sigarms]

My wife is in talks with a breeder to buy a pure bred German Shepard female, and we have a pure breed, papers, German Shepard male. Wife isnt trying to start a puppy mill, but she wants to breed them at some point, maybe just a single litter, maybe 2 or 3. The dealer wants her to sign a contract that says the female must be spayed or neutered within 1 year of purchase, or the dog must be returned, with no refund of payment...

Im not into the world of name brand dogs, and I told the wife, that sounds like a rental, not a purchase. If you buy it, its yours, to do with as you want (within laws). Anyone heard of something similar?

Ive seen ads from folks that want to do an in home inspection prior to sale, or "proof of experience" with large breeds. I think, these folks are insane, this isnt a foster child, its a sale. Once cash changes hands, this transaction is complete.

These arent cheap dogs either, and if your dropping $2500, signing an actual contract to not breed, sounds crazy.

I do understand the breeder doesnt want competition, from a strictly business side, but...

Go to your local humane shelter and give a dog a good life.

If you're dumb enough to drop $2,500 on a puppy, you're dumb enough to sign any paperwork required of you AFTER you purchased the dog, and you are required to abide to what YOU signed.

Sorry, I've done enough animal rescue work that I find people that want a "pure bred" dog kind of interesting to start with.

And actually, when we did rescue work, a home inspection was required on our end. Yes, my wife and I are insane LOL You have all type of people in this world, including stupid people. Why would a 65 year old widow want a high active dog when the lady lives in a a condo and has no place to let the dog be the kind of breed it is? When you care for animal and you're going to trust a human to take care of that animal, you want to see where that animal is going and people aren't lying about the "home environment". Hard to believe, but some people do lie.

 

[Sigarms]

I think she messaged the lady, saying she would like to have one batch of puppies. Whole thing seems crazy as an outsider. I get that a German Shepard is a "premium brand", but its not an exotic breed. Whole thing seems like a John Deere repair, or Ferrari rules against modifying.

"Premium brand" vs "exotic breed"?

It's a dog for God's sake

I do understand that something is only worth what people are willing to pay.

No different than people paying a arm and a leg for babies overseas when our own country has unwanted children that people can get for free.

 

[Runner]

Go to your local humane shelter and give a dog a good life.

If you're dumb enough to drop $2,500 on a puppy, you're dumb enough to sign any paperwork required of you AFTER you purchased the dog, and you are required to abide to what YOU signed.

Sorry, I've done enough animal rescue work that I find people that want a "pure bred" dog kind of interesting to start with.

And actually, when we did rescue work, a home inspection was required on our end. Yes, my wife and I are insane LOL You have all type of people in this world, including stupid people. Why would a 65 year old widow want a high active dog when the lady lives in a a condo and has no place to let the dog be the kind of breed it is? When you care for animal and you're going to trust a human to take care of that animal, you want to see where that animal is going and people aren't lying about the "home environment". Hard to believe, but some people do lie.

Why all the hate for people who buy a purebred dog, and agree to have it spayed/neutered? At least they are not contributing to the mess you have to deal with in animal rescue (for the most part).

With our first dog, we got lucky and found a unicorn shih tzu that had been abused and left for dead in a dumpster. We also came across a couple that had been cared for by owners that died. But by far the majority of dogs in our local rescues are pit bull mixes abandoned by people who didn't bother with spaying/neutering and couldn't be bothered with finding homes for the animals. Or, maybe they couldn't handle a large, aggressive breed and they became dangerous.

Some people don't want a pit bull or other large breed and it's damned hard to find small breeds to adopt without going all over the country. Purebreed owners may be stupid for paying for the dog we want, but we are not the problem when it comes to abandoned dogs.

And if you don't believe me, look at the dogs currently up for adoption at KC Pet Project (local no-kill animal shelter):

Dogs for Adoption | KC Pet Project

kcpetproject.org

 

[Sigarms]

Why all the hate for people who buy a purebred dog, and agree to have it spayed/neutered? At least they are not contributing to the mess you have to deal with in animal rescue (for the most part).

With our first dog, we got lucky and found a unicorn shih tzu that had been abused and left for dead in a dumpster. We also came across a couple that had been cared for by owners that died. But by far the majority of dogs in our local rescues are pit bull mixes abandoned by people who didn't bother with spaying/neutering and couldn't be bothered with finding homes for the animals. Or, maybe they couldn't handle a large, aggressive breed and they became dangerous.

Some people don't want a pit bull or other large breed and it's damned hard to find small breeds to adopt without going all over the country. Purebreed owners may be stupid for paying for the dog we want, but we are not the problem when it comes to abandoned dogs.

And if you don't believe me, look at the dogs currently up for adoption at KC Pet Project (local no-kill animal shelter):

Dogs for Adoption | KC Pet Project

kcpetproject.org

It's not the hate of wanting to spend money on a product (your money, do want you want with it), It's the hate of having someone complain about the requirements of buying said product by the seller.

Don't like the sellers terms, look for another seller of the same product.

Because we're talking about a dog as the product being sold, the complaint by the OP is ludicrous given that having the animal spayed or neutered as part of the sale is more than reasonable by the seller IMO.

 

[Runner]

It's not the hate of wanting to spend money on a product (your money, do want you want with it), It's the hate of having someone complain about the requirements of buying said product by the seller.

Don't like the sellers terms, look for another seller of the same product.

Because we're talking about a dog as the product being sold, the complaint by the OP is ludicrous given that having the animal spayed or neutered as part of the sale is more than reasonable by the seller IMO.

Agreed 100%.

 

[paulsharvey]

It's not the hate of wanting to spend money on a product (your money, do want you want with it), It's the hate of having someone complain about the requirements of buying said product by the seller.

Don't like the sellers terms, look for another seller of the same product.

Because we're talking about a dog as the product being sold, the complaint by the OP is ludicrous given that having the animal spayed or neutered as part of the sale is more than reasonable by the seller IMO.

It's not the hate of wanting to spend money on a product (your money, do want you want with it), It's the hate of having someone complain about the requirements of buying said product by the seller.

Don't like the sellers terms, look for another seller of the same product.

Because we're talking about a dog as the product being sold, the complaint by the OP is ludicrous given that having the animal spayed or neutered as part of the sale is more than reasonable by the seller IMO.

Well, I'll try to address that, in large part, it was a surprise, as I've never heard of an animal with a non compete clause basically. If you buy something, anything, you expect it to be complete and functional, to use as you see it. Seems like buy an F150, but Ford want a "no tow clause" unless you pay for towing rights.

On shelter dogs, more power to folks that buy them. Its needed, But im not buying adult animals with an unknown personality/traits, ect. You dont know how a puppy will turn out, but you can largely control or atleast influence that.

That last note, I dont really agree with. There is no standing service contract or subscription; its a transaction. No, you dont get to tell me an animal must be named X or eat this food, or visit the vet annually. Its a purchase, a single thing, with nothing more. Im not sending you progress updates, or pictures.

Imagine selling a used truck, and wanting to inspect their home, or references first. Nope, cash=keys. No cash=no keys

I do understand the Human Society, but they arent the same.

 

[Sigarms]

That last note, I dont really agree with. There is no standing service contract or subscription; its a transaction. No, you dont get to tell me an animal must be named X or eat this food, or visit the vet annually. Its a purchase, a single thing, with nothing more. Im not sending you progress updates, or pictures.

It doesn't matter if you agree with a written contract or not, you sign it, you could be liable for breaking that contract. You don't like it, you don't buy it, it's that simple.

The issue with pets is that there are too many idiots who own them who shouldn't (same could be said for children LOL).

The sad truth is we are supposed to be smarter than animals, but a lot of times we're not.

Do you honestly think that every dog wondering around the country side was "born in the wild"? Answer is no, it's people who own pets but don't want the the responsibility of owning pets that require both time and money.

When we did rescue work, does it make sense to give a physically large, high energy dog to an older woman who lives in a condo with no yard?

If you "sell" a dog and it's not spayed or neutered, are you actually helping or hindering the unwanted pet population? Remember those dogs who wonder around the country side or in urban environments?

Generally speaking, the only reason why you "buy" a dog at a shelter is because the dog is up to date on all it's shots and is generally spayed or nurtured. I can guarantee you that for the amount of money you're spending on a animal at a shelter is far cheaper than taking it to the vet. Newsflash, sooner or later you'll be taking your pet to the vet, and sometimes it's not cheap.

 

[paulsharvey]

As far as why wife wanted a German Shepard, its what she wanted. There are bred tendencies thats seem to come through, largely. Nearly all hounds are loud, nearly all German Shepard are smart/active, most labs are intelligent and active. She likes Shepards. Id have been fine with a pit or beagle, but not a chihuahua or jack Russell or golden retriever.

Like Angus, or Hereford, or any breed, you are getting a fairly realistic expectation. Not guarantee, but you can expect a GSD to be 60-90 lbs, predictable (somewhat) behavior, ect. The chihuahua-husky-lab-coyote mix, idk, 15-140 lbs, hyper to calm, super smart to dumb as a box of rocks, could be long hair to short, might have incredible prey instinct to none.

Training does a lot, but you have trouble training a Lab to pull sleds, and trouble training a GSD to be an upland bird dog.

 

[paulsharvey]

It doesn't matter if you agree with a written contract or not, you sign it, you could be liable for breaking that contract. You don't like it, you don't buy it, it's that simple.

The issue with pets is that there are too many idiots who own them who shouldn't (same could be said for children LOL).

The sad truth is we are supposed to be smarter than animals, but a lot of times we're not.

Do you honestly think that every dog wondering around the country side was "born in the wild"? Answer is no, it's people who own pets but don't want the the responsibility of owning pets that require both time and money.

When we did rescue work, does it make sense to give a physically large, high energy dog to an older woman who lives in a condo with no yard?

If you "sell" a dog and it's not spayed or neutered, are you actually helping or hindering the unwanted pet population? Remember those dogs who wonder around the country side or in urban environments?

Generally speaking, the only reason why you "buy" a dog at a shelter is because the dog is up to date on all it's shots and is generally spayed or nurtured. I can guarantee you that for the amount of money you're spending on a animal at a shelter is far cheaper than taking it to the vet. Newsflash, sooner or later you'll be taking your pet to the vet, and sometimes it's not cheap.

Hmm, we took Loki, the male GSD, to the vet one time in 6 years; the female jack russel-beagle-mutt never, the dobberman never, the pit never, the Rottweiler-jack Russell (i know... odd mix), again never.

So, I think part of the disagreement; Im not trying to save the world. Sure, people dump dogs all the time. I dont like it, but im not trying to fix it either. I have Zero responsibility to or for them. Crap happens.

Many many years ago, I had a Ethics professor, typical type; that was Huge on world problems, and would cry about what happens to women in Yemen or something. She couldn't understand people being able to say "not my circus, not my monkeys, I just dont care"

 

[paulsharvey]

"Generally speaking, the only reason why you "buy" a dog at a shelter is because the dog is up to date on all it's shots and is generally spayed or nurtured."

I know this is unpopular, but; if you exchange money for a good or service, I consider that "buying"; you pay a shelter to "adopt" a dog or cat, thats "buying".

Shelters have gotten expensive too; was surprised people are paying $350 for a shelter dog... That surprised me. I understand they need to generate revenue to do their work, just surprised by the "price".

Yes, you can call it fees, adoption rate, "good home certificate", whatever, but its a purchase.

 

[Sigarms]

So, I think part of the disagreement; Im not trying to save the world. Sure, people dump dogs all the time. I dont like it, but im not trying to fix it either. I have Zero responsibility to or for them. Crap happens.

Honestly I don't if you try to save the world of not.

I responded because you were crying about the contract and how they shouldn't be able to dictate to you with what you do with your dog.

My only point is you sign the contract and break it, you run the risk of losing the dog or even perhaps money. Tough titties.

However, you spent another $300 so you can breed the dog, so I'm assuming no issues on your end now?

 

[paulsharvey]

On/off topic, is really is incredible how we as humans have breed dogs into being so natural at certain things. German Short Hairs, they naturally want to point birds (or whatever). Beagles on rabbits, ect. Retrievers want to get things and bring them back to you.

Physically, selecting for size/build, thats not hard to understand; I mostly mean the instinctual intelligence.

Our make GSD doesnt care at all about rabbits or deer. That mutt-beagle-jack Russell, if she smells deer blood, or squirrel, she automatically goes to shaking, and ready to chase it. Not trained to track, not even positive reinforcement, just instinct to track.