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/ Good morning!!!! #213,481  
Good Morning! True Fall (and Texas Winter) weather, 39˚F heading to 69˚ with clear skies and a North wind. No chance of rain. Inside rock house temp is steady at a comfortable 75˚.

Lots of wind yesterday kept the pool robots busy gathering stray leaves.
 
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/ Good morning!!!! #213,483  
Wow! Bitter COLD here this morning. What happened? This is not the South Texas I know and love.

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/ Good morning!!!! #213,485  
Good Morning
53° and gloomy out there this morning. 6/10” of rain so far with the heavy rain coming later in the day. Might break 60°.

Yesterday started with bringing up a load of firewood from the woodshed as well as restocking the kindling bucket.
I saved the vast majority of the lumber scraps from building the old folks home, cut them up in 12” lengths and split them with a hatchet. Makes great kindling. That, along with Mike Morgan’s fire starter, lets me start a fire like it was a gas fire place. I have a roaring fire in minutes.

Next chore was to load the argon bottle into the KubVan to swap it out. The welding supply I use is very close to the airport, so the next stop was to make some progress on the little plane.

That took me to a late lunch time, after that it was back home to start getting ready for the change in seasons. I disconnected all the hoses, and blew them out along with the Eley hose reel. This little rig makes that pretty easy.

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An air tank made from a 30lb refrigerant jug will blow out two hoses when I’m out of reach of the shop air.

Got the cover on the grill, (that’s more for the rain, as I use it all winter).

The rest of the afternoon was puttering around the shop, a bit of random cleanup, a bit of mining to find the top surface of the welding bench. I didn’t get back to the old folks home until it was too late for a fire, but likely won’t miss tonight.

Today I’m supposed to make a stand to hold a ship’s clock for a friend, I have a nice piece of Sapele on the rack that would be perfect for that job. After that, I probably won’t leave the shop, hopefully get back to putting stuff away and cleaning up.

The problem with staying busy is that I rarely take the time to fully clean up the present mess before making another. After a month or two of that, I’ve got a serious accumulation of messes to wade through. The only reward for this behavior is thinking that I don’t have a trophy shop, I have a working one.
The huge downside is that I almost always have to deal with my last mess before starting another one. Or at least push it out of the way.
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,487  
A few comments on surge protectors and lightning arresters. There is no product available on a consumer budget, that is going to protect your equipment (esp. receivers!) from a lightning strike on your antenna. Similar with surge arresters, any direct hit on your transformer is likely going to blow out all connected equipment, the amount of energy imparted onto the circuit is just too great to be handled by the surge suppressor in every case.

So when shopping this equipment, look at the warranty or equipment guarantee, and see if you can find information online about how good or difficult the company is about supporing this guarantee.

I did some work for an industrial surge suppressor and UPS company in the 1990's, who was making some small ventures into the consumer market, and they were always the first to admit they couldn't really stop direct hits. Their claims and equipment gaurantee numbers were based on a business case and not a technical case. In other words, they fully realize they can't protect all equipment from direct hits, but they sell enough UPS's and surge supressors to be able to afford to replace the occasional $3k computer or Ham receiver under the equipment gaurantee, when disaster does strike.

What you're buying, in these products, is something that will handle transients resulting from more distant strikes (e.g. power line a half mile away from your house), coupled with an insurance policy on your equipment. Any product located between an antenna and receiver has even less hope of surviving a direct hit, receivers are awful sensitive. But again, their profit margin is sufficient to allow them to take this risk, on having to replace or repair an occasional receiver.
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,488  
nicely said WinterDeere
there is also the issue of cumulative damage from repeated surges, which is probably more likely than a direct lightning hit.
if those surges overheat delicate circuits, will certainly decrease life of unit.
I'd like to see inside that coax protector
I was curious what was inside and sure enough, a YT video
wish this was shortened to 3 minutes, guy moves along like a sloth

 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,489  
nice looking firewood Frits. Plus your equipment always looks good.

after having my hvac system fried by a power surge/lightning/something,
which also belatedly I believe took out my dishwasher, for the first time, I made sure the
dishwasher was a plug in and plugged that into a heavy duty Tripplite surge protector.

our appliances are getting more delicate. They are now online with us.
more circuitry to get zapped and you can bet they don't spend the one dollar or less to build
in a nice MOV into their own product. In a user friendly/accessible spot with a plug in replacement.
no such thing, most of what we buy runs pretty bare.
MOVs are your friend

one Christmas I built Heathkit surge protector strips for my family.
now they are really cheap and should be used everywhere if you don't have a whole house unit.
and even then, on gear like Scott's, I'd have several layers of protection.

I am not sure higher surge ratings are the ultimate test of quality.
other than filtration, what else makes a better surge protector?

.42 rain and a dark rainy morning
At one point, I was responsible for hardening some sensitive equipment against localized EMP events on a poorly functioning grid. I think more modern equipment is both better and worse than it was many moons ago, but anything with a circuit is vulnerable.

I don't know if this is the right way to think of it, but I think of surge/EMI protection as being layers.
A whole house protector typically can absorb more energy (current x time) than a strip surge protector. Typically, these only divert surges to ground. (No EMI filtering)
A surge strip should I think be close to your equipment, and often has lower clamping voltages for limiting the energy going into your equipment. Better ones often come with EMI filtering to provide cleaner power to the protected equipment.
Wiring from the main service panel to an outlet can act like an antenna to funnel a nearby EMP event into wiring as a voltage spike, so having multiple points of surge protection distributed around a house helps limit the spike/surge. Wiring also can act as an attenuator of spikes (flashover, and inductance effects), so there's theory of what happens in the testing lab, and then there is how your site is wired, and what its risk is.
(Discussion of kA vs Joules here)

There are both MOV based systems and gas tube (air gap) systems, and they have their uses.

I tend to go as large as possible on the sizes, as they are all small potatoes, compared to what can come down the line.

Then there are the gems that @WinterDeere brought up;
A few comments on surge protectors and lightning arresters. There is no product available on a consumer budget, that is going to protect your equipment (esp. receivers!) from a lightning strike on your antenna. Similar with surge arresters, any direct hit on your transformer is likely going to blow out all connected equipment, the amount of energy imparted onto the circuit is just too great to be handled by the surge suppressor in every case.

So when shopping this equipment, look at the warranty or equipment guarantee, and see if you can find information online about how good or difficult the company is about supporing this guarantee.

I did some work for an industrial surge suppressor and UPS company in the 1990's, who was making some small ventures into the consumer market, and they were always the first to admit they couldn't really stop direct hits. Their claims and equipment gaurantee numbers were based on a business case and not a technical case. In other words, they fully realize they can't protect all equipment from direct hits, but they sell enough UPS's and surge supressors to be able to afford to replace the occasional $3k computer or Ham receiver under the equipment gaurantee, when disaster does strike.

What you're buying, in these products, is something that will handle transients resulting from more distant strikes (e.g. power line a half mile away from your house), coupled with an insurance policy on your equipment. Any product located between an antenna and receiver has even less hope of surviving a direct hit, receivers are awful sensitive. But again, their profit margin is sufficient to allow them to take this risk, on having to replace or repair an occasional receiver.
👍👍

I agree 100%: Nothing is going to stop a direct hit from damaging lots of things. Lightning strikes have enormous amounts of energy (power). Even lightning rod systems (pointed or blunt) aren't going to stop every strike, and the pointed versions attract the strike to dump it into the ground system (hopefully). If your site is in a lightning prone area, they can be better than nothing, but like many things, the devil is in the details in my experience.

The goal, I think, is to limit the amount of damage of strikes hitting your power lines somewhere, or the EMP through space effects from a close, but not direct hit.

I only buy from reputable and long standing manufacturers of surge protection, because as @WinterDeere pointed out, you want to be able to rely on their warranty/insurance, and not find out that "Acme Surge-R-Us" doesn't have a functioning insurance. (These days, I am using Eaton, Siemens, Belkin)

I would also point out that every cable coming into a building is supposed to have some sort of surge protection these days, so telephone, Ethernet, cable equipment all benefit from surge protection, preferably on the outside wall of the house.

Finally, I think the issue of a grid power electric fence charger gets overlooked. I think that they are an accident waiting to happen. I prefer solar powered electric fence chargers, and mine get air gap lightning/surge protection. Mine have survived lightning storms that blew up the ground on our main transformer, so perhaps the air gaps did provide some protection.

All the best, Peter
 
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54 and drizzle heading to 64 and sunny this afternoon.

Scotty, that looks like quite the setup. Can you talk to someone in the DR before you go there for vacation?

Yesterday was Yoga day at our house, so I took Della to the mountains to work on my SNP 500 goal. Hiked from Skyland down to some waterfalls on a horse trail and back up a different trail. It was 36F and drizzle/fog/breezy all day...not a day I would have picked, but it was quite nice to be out there.
white oak canyon, or the west side? Did a horse ride from skyland years ago.
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,491  
...from a close, but not direct hit.
Exactly! And statistically, this is more probable, as many more households are "close" to each strike, in which only one household takes the direct hit.

People would like to make fun of our old nuclear bomb drills in school, when we'd climb under our desks, saying it's a completely futile exercise. These people don't understand that you're many times more likely to be "near enough" any such event to experience things like windows blowing out or roof tiles falling onto occupants, than to ever be the one building unlucky enough to experience a direct hit. The same logic applies to lightening strikes, in which a surge supressor might save you from many damaging events happening near your home, if not the rare direct hit.

...preferably on the outside wall of the house.
Good point! Even in the industrial electronics where I work, surge arrestors often look like someone placed a grenade inside the housing and set it off, after they've done their job. These things are all made from fire-resistant or self-extinguishing materials, but the walls to which they're attached or the carpet upon which they're set, may not be.

One thing I wonder is how many damaged or totally-defeated surge surpressor systems are out there today, in the consumer world? What fraction of us are running on equipment that's too damaged to do it's job anymore, without even realizing it? Some have indicators to (possibly) tell you when the internal components have been badly degraded by past events, but I suspect most do not, and those that do may not indicate all failure types.
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,493  
48F, overcast, and wet @ 11:30 - that should be the high for the day. Showers this morning transitioning to a steady rain this afternoon. Rain should be ending tonight.

Clinton Station reports the low this morning was 45F with 0.97" of rain in the past 24 hours, which, looking at the gauge here, sounds about right.

Ten Day now showing 7 days with close to no chance of rain and temps in the mid to upper 50's ... (y)

Had some stew last night for an appetizer but Woman brought home Chinese for the main course which hit the spot. Between the two of us we finished off the second loaf of pumpkin bread.

Some banking on the agenda for today, then schedule or pay some bills.

See if I can connect with the driller/well rehab guys out of Mansfield. Unfortunately I have not heard anything further from them ... even after returning the guys call.

After that will likely head down into the basement with the water tempering valve and the big bag of copper fittings from Menards. Probably figure out the plumbing configuration/location for that and maybe start sweating things together.

Also on the list:

More cleaning/prep on the walls.

Possibly get one piece of foam board glued up and on the wall.

Caulk the flue pipe for the wood burner so we can start getting rid of old papers.

Maybe cut some vertical studs for the new wall.

Beyond that just see what else comes up.

Hope everyone is having a decent Thursday ... (y)
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,494  
70°F and .25 inches rain

One of those overcast, on again, off again days yesterday. I found my affinity for trimming rain soddened branches ranked right along mowing wet grass, hence that task remains.

I did get some minor clean up done, very minor, as my motivation seemed to match the weather.

H&F at friends this afternoon. Sophie did a homemade coleslaw and I’m on the hook for brownies.

Prayers for all
Be safe
Have a great tractor day
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,497  
39F light misty rain,overnight shall fall heavy at times :) gusty winds also ending around dawn. :(

Good day at work afternoon weather decided my plans little puttering just enough to earn my dinner...whew.

Plans for the evening...share bowl ice cream watch little YT pillow time out the door 3:30am tomorrow.

Enjoy your evening all.
 
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white oak canyon, or the west side? Did a horse ride from skyland years ago.
From Stony Man down the Skyland-Big Meadows Horse Trail to Whiteoak Canyon waterfalls and up to the Skyland Stable Trail and AT back to parking. Looked like fresh horse manure on the Stable Trail. Looks like horseback riding closes after today, unless you bring your own.
 
/ Good morning!!!! #213,499  
Exactly! And statistically, this is more probable, as many more households are "close" to each strike, in which only one household takes the direct hit.

People would like to make fun of our old nuclear bomb drills in school, when we'd climb under our desks, saying it's a completely futile exercise. These people don't understand that you're many times more likely to be "near enough" any such event to experience things like windows blowing out or roof tiles falling onto occupants, than to ever be the one building unlucky enough to experience a direct hit. The same logic applies to lightening strikes, in which a surge supressor might save you from many damaging events happening near your home, if not the rare direct hit.


Good point! Even in the industrial electronics where I work, surge arrestors often look like someone placed a grenade inside the housing and set it off, after they've done their job. These things are all made from fire-resistant or self-extinguishing materials, but the walls to which they're attached or the carpet upon which they're set, may not be.

One thing I wonder is how many damaged or totally-defeated surge surpressor systems are out there today, in the consumer world? What fraction of us are running on equipment that's too damaged to do it's job anymore, without even realizing it? Some have indicators to (possibly) tell you when the internal components have been badly degraded by past events, but I suspect most do not, and those that do may not indicate all failure types.

We'll, I haven't had that many of my surge protectors fail, so I can't really comment on how many dead ones might be out there, but I figure after a decade or so of use, it is worth it to me to replace them. Like you, I have seen the remains of major hits, and I'd agree with the grenade going off description.

The family used to have a cottage on a "lightning alley" because the power line ran along the road, which was on top of a ridge, so most thunderstorms hit it. Not much was left plugged in. But over time, electric ranges, dryers, coffee pots and a bizillion bulbs got smoked. One learned to proactively power the house down and light candles.

But I think it always depends. I was in a derecho event at one point that spawned a ridiculous number of tornados and thunderstorms, during which a lightning bolt hit a tree at one end of the house/barn/outbuilding area (U-shaped layout), and blew a 25' long piece of bark and wood from one end of the U to the middle, but we didn't lose a bulb. Scared the living daylights out of all of us because it was so loud. We were out of power for more than a week (9 days?), which was interesting trying to keep a normal routine going with a large PTO generator on a six cylinder diesel. Nobody got hurt, and it was an adventure for for those who weren't on ops duty.

All the best,

Peter

P.S. I do disassemble my retired strips just to see how they are. For the ones that I have bought, the build quality bears almost no relationship with acquisition price.
 
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Buppies, where are you? Prayers for you both.

Near 30 degrees here in Houghton MI this am and we are packing to head to camp. :D Will post from camp if possible with just 1 bar there. Hope everyone's last of the week goes well.
I'm feeling ripped off down here in Texas at 43F !!! I'm cold, had to wear a lined wind breaker today.
50 degrees lower than I'm used to.
The problem with staying busy is that I rarely take the time to fully clean up the present mess before making another. After a month or two of that, I’ve got a serious accumulation of messes to wade through. The only reward for this behavior is thinking that I don’t have a trophy shop, I have a working one.
The huge downside is that I almost always have to deal with my last mess before starting another one. Or at least push it out of the way.
I have the same scenario. :)
 

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