Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #581  
My father had a '78 Power Wagon with full time 4WD which he used to plow around the property as well as a few parking lots to cover his insurance. It had 12k miles on it when he replaced both front axles... just after the warranty ran put.
He traded it that summer.
This one had a floor shifter 2wd, 4wd, 4wd lo range.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #582  
I have seen plenty of stuff with the newer 6.6L gas, 6.4L hemi, and 7.3L godzilla suggesting 16ish mpg empty/8 towing 10,000 lbs, mixed driving, with the 7.3L getting like 17.1 mpg empty.
Highway miles, maybe? Probably not around town or rural roads.

I'll admit my driving is a little more aggressive than average, but I'm not exactly a teenager romping all over town, either. I average 12 MPG from my 6.4L SRT Charger, and 13 - 14 MPG from my 5.7L Hemi Ram 1500. My driving is probably 90% or more rural roads, 10% or less "in town".
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #583  
amazing to me how inefficient gasoline ice are compared to diesel. Even towing a small aluminum two place snowmobile trailer. Weather it's a gas v8 in a pick up or a modern crossover or SUV with a v6 and tow package that when not pulling a trailer gets 24+ mpg. Tow a smaller trailer with it barely exceeding freeway speeds gas mileage drops to under 10 mpg. Meanwhile a diesel pulling same smaller trailer going 10 over on freeway only drops 5 or less mpg in my experience With my 6 speed automatic. I don't think I've ever gotten less than 10 mpg even towing a fully loaded (at speed limit) 20' tandem deck over.. will some buying a diesel truck ever see a payback in price they paid? Problaby not but for me anyway there's something about spending a lot of money for even a minimally option packaged diesel truck. Knowing if for some reason you ever needed to you could tow a house. 😂
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #584  
Highway miles, maybe? Probably not around town or rural roads.

I'll admit my driving is a little more aggressive than average, but I'm not exactly a teenager romping all over town, either. I average 12 MPG from my 6.4L SRT Charger, and 13 - 14 MPG from my 5.7L Hemi Ram 1500. My driving is probably 90% or more rural roads, 10% or less "in town".
Dang, my 5.7L Hemi, 4x4, crew, 2019 Classic, with 1 size up on tires, ATs, gets between 18.5-19.9, almost all rural roads. Now, those are 60 mph rural roads, and no major hills. I know when we go to north GA, those hills eat the gas.

If I have my 16 ft landscape trailer, it drops to between 11-13 mpg. Towards the high end empty and towards the low end with 5000# on a 1800# trailer. Funny thing, it doesn't seem to be the weight of the trailer that affects it most, just it being behind me...

Wife's 2019 5.7L Charger gets between 21-24.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #585  
This one had a floor shifter 2wd, 4wd, 4wd lo range.
My 2016 still has a floor shifter for transfer case. Now every thing is push button on a friends
2004 3/4 ton Chevy has a push button 4wd transfer case system. Not surprising but I would have gotten a manual floor shifting transfer case again cuz its pretty tried and true and it works. But no longer available on newer trucks I guess.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #586  
My 2016 still has a floor shifter for transfer case. Now every thing is push button on a friends
2004 3/4 ton Chevy has a push button 4wd transfer case system. Not surprising but I would have gotten a manual floor shifting transfer case again cuz its pretty tried and true and it works. But no longer available on newer trucks I guess.
I would like to agree with you, but the electric ones are very reliable. Buddy of mine owns a truck shop and repairs floor shifters that tend to get jammed or stuck, especially if the owner don’t use 4x4 enough.
I love push button 4WD. Opens up space on the floor for more leg room in my truck, too.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #587  
Dang, my 5.7L Hemi, 4x4, crew, 2019 Classic, with 1 size up on tires, ATs, gets between 18.5-19.9, almost all rural roads. Now, those are 60 mph rural roads, and no major hills. I know when we go to north GA, those hills eat the gas.

If I have my 16 ft landscape trailer, it drops to between 11-13 mpg. Towards the high end empty and towards the low end with 5000# on a 1800# trailer. Funny thing, it doesn't seem to be the weight of the trailer that affects it most, just it being behind me...

Wife's 2019 5.7L Charger gets between 21-24.
Not pulling a trailer my truck gets between 18- 20+ a little over freeway speeds. Rare occasions I use in town truck gets 16 or so mpg not pulling anything or putting the hammer down in stop and go.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #588  
I would like to agree with you, but the electric ones are very reliable. Buddy of mine owns a truck shop and repairs floor shifters that tend to get jammed or stuck, especially if the owner don’t use 4x4 enough.
I love push button 4WD. Opens up space on the floor for more leg room in my truck, too.
Gmc did a pretty good job of making a handy trimmed out storage tray around transfer case shifter. I've never had manual transfer case shifting problems weather it was one of my previous old Toyotas or my GMC. However a transfer case mounted external speed sensor went out on it a few yrs ago the Allison went into a limp mode and either started out in a higher gear 3rd I think and only went up to the 4th gear max.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #589  
In some cases, it may have been true. Some early ABS implementations had only one or two solenoids, cycling pressure either to the entire system, or to both fronts or both rears at the same time.
The Mercedes W-116 was the first production car in 1978 that had four wheel ABS, though my first car, a 1991 Volvo 440 1.7, didnt have it. My next was a 1995 turbodiesel which had it as standard, and every other since the mid 90s

So i didnt know an ABS system ever existed merely as a generic brake pulsator...
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #590  
Lol no I wasn't
In utah nor do I off road that truck like I did my Tacomas when I was young and dumber. Problaby could have used him 20+ or so yrs ago though.
Having a front wheel drive family car or a lifted truck doesnt say anything about, if you get stuck: It just dictates WHERE you get stuck.

Though, there are some offroad trucks that if they do get stuck, youve got to bring a crawler to get them out 🫣😅

 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #591  
Now, those are 60 mph rural roads, and no major hills. I know when we go to north GA, those hills eat the gas.
It's very hilly where I live, in fact the back of our house looks out onto the slopes of a ski resort. So that could be part of it.

I will also say that my wife and I get very different MPG's in the same vehicle. I remember one fun little Audi A3 2.0T we owned about 20 years ago, it was her daily driver for her long commute up and down the turnpike, over some big hills into the Lehigh Valley. Her trip computer would usually read about 29 mpg, but one afternoon of some spirited driving with me behind the wheel on local roads, it'd be down to 19 mpg. :ROFLMAO:

I love push button 4WD. Opens up space on the floor for more leg room in my truck, too.
I think you're the first person I've ever heard say that! I hate the things, but not out of principle, it's just due to the horrible implementation:
  1. Unpredictable operation. When working on a vehicle up on jack stands or a lift, a manual transfer case can be shifted into neutral, and you know it's in neutral. Every time I need to put one of these electronic transfer cases into neutral, I have to pull out the manual(s) or spend ten minutes between Google and fighting with the correct combination of key position and a pencil into a tiny reset style button on the switch cluster, to actually get the thing into Neutral. It's just a stupid unnecessary PITA.
  2. Tiny un-lit buttons. Every truck I have ever owned, you cannot see or find the correct button for the mode you want while driving in the dark. When I commuted, my winters consisted of driving to work in the dark before sunrise, and driving home in the dark after sunset. Other than the rare weekend trip, almost 100% of my winter driving has always been in the dark, as I suspect is the case for many people. So why not back-light those stupid buttons?!?
  3. Arrangement or order of buttons makes no sense, and labels are typically too small to read at a glance while driving. In my truck, the buttons are arranged 4-square, with no rhyme or reason which is 4-hi, 4-lo, 2-hi, etc.
If they'd fix these stupid issues, then I'd be fine with electronic shifters. I will admit they have some advantages, if the designers would just get their heads out of their a$$es.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #592  
So i didnt know an ABS system ever existed merely as a generic brake pulsator...
I don't remember all of the details, but I do remember my buddy used to constantly complain about the ABS on his aggressively-driven Nissan Sentra SE/R. It would blindly and simultaneously pulsate pressure equally on two or even all four wheels, any time just one wheel locked up, which used to drive him nuts.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #593  
It's very hilly where I live, in fact the back of our house looks out onto the slopes of a ski resort. So that could be part of it.

I will also say that my wife and I get very different MPG's in the same vehicle. I remember one fun little Audi A3 2.0T we owned about 20 years ago, it was her daily driver for her long commute up and down the turnpike, over some big hills into the Lehigh Valley. Her trip computer would usually read about 29 mpg, but one afternoon of some spirited driving with me behind the wheel on local roads, it'd be down to 19 mpg. :ROFLMAO:


I think you're the first person I've ever heard say that! I hate the things, but not out of principle, it's just due to the horrible implementation:
  1. Unpredictable operation. When working on a vehicle up on jack stands or a lift, a manual transfer case can be shifted into neutral, and you know it's in neutral. Every time I need to put one of these electronic transfer cases into neutral, I have to pull out the manual(s) or spend ten minutes between Google and fighting with the correct combination of key position and a pencil into a tiny reset style button on the switch cluster, to actually get the thing into Neutral. It's just a stupid unnecessary PITA.


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Huh? It’s so easy, you just take a pen and push the neutral button. You think that’s difficult?
  1. Tiny un-lit buttons. Every truck I have ever owned, you cannot see or find the correct button for the mode you want while driving in the dark. When I commuted, my winters consisted of driving to work in the dark before sunrise, and driving home in the dark after sunset. Other than the rare weekend trip, almost 100% of my winter driving has always been in the dark, as I suspect is the case for many people. So why not back-light those stupid buttons?!?

Not much of an issue with me. My cab is lit up like a Christmas display.
  1. Arrangement or order of buttons makes no sense, and labels are typically too small to read at a glance while driving. In my truck, the buttons are arranged 4-square, with no rhyme or reason which is 4-hi, 4-lo, 2-hi, etc.
If they'd fix these stupid issues, then I'd be fine with electronic shifters. I will admit they have some advantages, if the designers would just get their heads out of their a$$es.

Not much issue for me.
I’ll take the extra floor space for the aforementioned “hassles” of pushing buttons. Floor shifter and manual transmissions are relics of the past.

Come on!!! Time to move on with the times!
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #594  
Huh? It’s so easy, you just take a pen and push the neutral button. You think that’s difficult?
I forgot that step: why should I have to go dig up a pen, just to put my TC in neutral?!? :rolleyes: In any case, it doesn't work like that on mine, but maybe it's a sign I got a bad switch. I always have to try it multiple times, with the key in different positions, and even then it seems when it finally unlocks it's using some combination I'd already tried twice before.

Point is, a floor shifter is easy and as reliable as concrete, and always operable in the dark without taking your eyes from the road.

If given the choice, I'd still be driving a manual transmission with a manual transfer case. I switched brands from GM to Dodge just to get that combo, back in 2005, but it doesn't seem to be available from any maker today. It's not a huge deal, but I will always favor manual control over automatic, in just about anything. Heck... I switched one car from power steering back to manual, in the late 1990's! :D

Come on!!! Time to move on with the times!
I'm sorry, I thought this was a thread about "a good basic truck, like the old days"! :p 🤪
 
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/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #595  
Having a front wheel drive family car or a lifted truck doesnt say anything about, if you get stuck: It just dictates WHERE you get stuck.

Though, there are some offroad trucks that if they do get stuck, youve got to bring a crawler to get them out 🫣😅

It also depends on who is driving. I used to take my 2wd pickups places where everyone said I needed 4wd. I've also gotten my 4wd trucks stuck in places I should not have been... :D
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #596  
Locking differential by any of the trade names like limited slip, positraction, etc., really help
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #598  
I forgot that step: why should I have to go dig up a pen, just to put my TC in neutral?!? :rolleyes: In any case, it doesn't work like that on mine, but maybe it's a sign I got a bad switch. I always have to try it multiple times, with the key in different positions, and even then it seems when it finally unlocks it's using some combination I'd already tried twice before.

Point is, a floor shifter is easy and as reliable as concrete, and always operable in the dark without taking your eyes from the road.

If given the choice, I'd still be driving a manual transmission with a manual transfer case. I switched brands from GM to Dodge just to get that combo, back in 2005, but it doesn't seem to be available from any maker today. It's not a huge deal, but I will always favor manual control over automatic, in just about anything. Heck... I switched one car from power steering back to manual, in the late 1990's! :D


I'm sorry, I thought this was a thread about "a good basic truck, like the old days"! :p 🤪
I switched an old chevy truck from power back to manual steering when my power steering belt broke. I replaced the belt soon after.
 
/ Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days! #600  
I switched an old chevy truck from power back to manual steering when my power steering belt broke. I replaced the belt soon after.
Power steering with a broken belt and manual steering are two very different animals. The power steering hydraulics add a ton of drag, and the ratio is usually much higher, such that lock to lock might be half as many turns.

I wouldn't manual steering on a 4wd pickup truck, but on a Mustang set up for drag racing with 4-1/2" skinnies up front, it was an easy way to fit a larger motor with a higher capacity oil pan under the hood.
 

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