paulsharvey
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CPI implies $35,000 in 2005 USD would equal $57,311.65 2025 USD. I haven't played with Chevys built site; but I'll bet i can get to within 10% of that truck in a 2025 for $57k
Ford Maverick Pickup?
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paulsharvey
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Not only did I get in within my inflation number, I beat it by a good bit, found a discounted, on the lot truck, got more power, efficiently, and safety.
Part of this; we Think $50,000 is still what it was 20 years ago. It's not.
Part of this; we Think $50,000 is still what it was 20 years ago. It's not.
paulsharvey
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BTW; that truck isn't a WT or anything; 4x4, extended, full sized bed, power windows/doors/remote start, and power 10 way seats. Yes; it has 60/40/60 bench, not crew cab, and cloth seats; but my point was to build a 2025 clone of my 2005. It also has alloy wheels, and kinda the base level of a consumer vehicle. You can save about another $1900 if you want to do away with the "premium passenger comfort package"
paulsharvey
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100% there IS an affordability problem with vehicles; but often it's not the vehicle, but the premium options that people Want that push the price up.
Back to the Maverick; same thing; a lot of the Mavericks being sold are optioned up into the $40k+ range. Often with little to show for the "$5000 premium black edition king ranch-platnium-laramie-pro4x" whatever package, that upgrades your Infotainment screen to 14", and adds a red trim to your black seats.
Yes, 100% the tow package has a cost, but its not as bad as getting the black wheels, with extra trim, and the big screen backup camera.
Yes, the tow package makes you buy Ford 360 copilot; so total is $1540; but its less than the "black appearance package" at $1645. Stuff like the power moon roof, bed dividers, window air deflectors, ect add up
Back to the Maverick; same thing; a lot of the Mavericks being sold are optioned up into the $40k+ range. Often with little to show for the "$5000 premium black edition king ranch-platnium-laramie-pro4x" whatever package, that upgrades your Infotainment screen to 14", and adds a red trim to your black seats.
Yes, 100% the tow package has a cost, but its not as bad as getting the black wheels, with extra trim, and the big screen backup camera.
Yes, the tow package makes you buy Ford 360 copilot; so total is $1540; but its less than the "black appearance package" at $1645. Stuff like the power moon roof, bed dividers, window air deflectors, ect add up
Quite often it isn't that people WANT those; rather, it's what's available so you end up paying for things you didn't know you needed.
paulsharvey
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I understand in the immediate Covid aftermath, that was the case; but if you widen your search to say, a reasonable 200 mile radius, there are plenty of near base vehicles on the dealer lots. Even your local dealer. Now, they aren't parked up by the street, and the salesmen tend to steer folks towards the higher end ones, but they still make and sell plenty of just over base models.
Heck, most of the manufacturers, just do their build and price; and it will show you ones on the lot within a radius of your zip.
I do get if your in Wyoming or Alaska; maybe a wider radius is 500 miles; but east of the river, even a 50 mile radius likely had a dozen Ford dealers.
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paulsharvey
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Now, I do dislike the $290 upgrade to get a jack, spare tire and a tire iron.
Now, "dealer installed options", yeah, they do that, but if your willing to walk off; and have a 3rd party install the Wanted upgrades, like bed liners, step bars, winch, whatever, you aren't paying Fords $790 for a vinyl bed liner.
When i bought my 2019, used in 2019; we looked at a 2017 at a Dodge dealer. Wasn't thrilled with price, but it would work. Didn't come with trailer hitch, connector, ect. Told them, yeah, yall install the hitch, and trailer pin connector, and we got a deal. "I can't just throw in $800". Well, he'll, UHaul can install it for $250
Now, "dealer installed options", yeah, they do that, but if your willing to walk off; and have a 3rd party install the Wanted upgrades, like bed liners, step bars, winch, whatever, you aren't paying Fords $790 for a vinyl bed liner.
When i bought my 2019, used in 2019; we looked at a 2017 at a Dodge dealer. Wasn't thrilled with price, but it would work. Didn't come with trailer hitch, connector, ect. Told them, yeah, yall install the hitch, and trailer pin connector, and we got a deal. "I can't just throw in $800". Well, he'll, UHaul can install it for $250
KennyG
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I've always ordered my vehicles to get what I want. (My wife's cars are bought off the lot because she won't wait.) I ordered my F-150 because no truck with leather seats and no navigation system existed in the midwest. Why would anyone pay $800 for a nav system when Google Maps and Garmin exist? With the push to "packages" it's getting harder to get what you want.
Ford seems to delight in packaging one popular item such as cruise control with junk nobody wants.
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You may not LIKE what has happened with prices and options, but people are buying them. They make 4-door crew cabs almost completely now with few exceptions. You can argue which chicken or egg came first, but my guess is that dealers were finding extended cabs and regular cabs moving a lot slower so they started buying more crew cabs. Can't blame them...
I don't want a crew cab, and when I found out the Ranger gen 6 model ('24+) had no option for the extended cab with 6' bed I scrambled like heck to find one of the remaining '23's left and got lucky. Had to fly to Detroit to pick it up, but that isn't too bad a drive. I was planning to move to a Ranger in early '24 until I found this out.
I don't want a crew cab, and when I found out the Ranger gen 6 model ('24+) had no option for the extended cab with 6' bed I scrambled like heck to find one of the remaining '23's left and got lucky. Had to fly to Detroit to pick it up, but that isn't too bad a drive. I was planning to move to a Ranger in early '24 until I found this out.
jyoutz
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It makes sense that crew cabs are the most popular. Most single cab trucks only comfortably seat the driver plus one. The middle seat is either missing or sized for kids. Since most non-business trucks are bought by families, a single cab isn’t an option. And even though I’m alone now,?I still like the rear seat to put things out of the weather, and for when family and grandkids are visiting.
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That's where I like the supercab/extended cab. Some extra room back there and people can fit in an emergency but not happily. But I get a 6' bed which is much more useful to me overall.
How are you doing since the funeral? Has got to be a big load to carry.
paulsharvey
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So, on Maverick and trim levels; the XLT is nearly 50% of sales. The XLT is honestly a pretty reasonable build trim. Let's face it, steep wheels are functional, but i would probably upgrade to the factory alloy.
The XLT luxury package, $1890, is mostly garbage I dont want; heated seats, soft vinyl wrapped steering wheel, heated mirrors; but it does have the remote start... probably cheaper to get aftermarket remote start?
Guess I'm was mostly wrong, more low trim Mavericks then Lariats/Lobos/Tremors
The XLT luxury package, $1890, is mostly garbage I dont want; heated seats, soft vinyl wrapped steering wheel, heated mirrors; but it does have the remote start... probably cheaper to get aftermarket remote start?
Guess I'm was mostly wrong, more low trim Mavericks then Lariats/Lobos/Tremors
Oaktree
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Not just Ford, and not even limited to automakers. Cable tv (and now streaming) providers do the same thing...make you buy a package that has 57 channels you're not interested in to get one or two that you want.
Most people buy what's on the lot. If all that's there is the 4 door, heavily optioned trucks, that's what'll sell. Oh, they may have one or two strippo models in some pukey color just to say they can meet a certain price point, but not many people want them.
Even ordering a vehicle may not be much better, as Jstpssng noted you're pretty much stuck with pre-defined option packages, the days are long gone when you can customize.
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Oaktree
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I'm with dstig1 on this. Maybe different where you live, but I don't see many trucks as being the "family car", more likely the guy's vehicle while his wife has an SUV (or at least something marketed as one).
My truck's a Colorado...not much room for anyone older than 7 or so in the back, but it's rare for me to have more than one passenger (if any). Still space inside for stuff you don't want out in the weather.
I will say that I like alloy wheels. Because of how they are constructed, they don't fill up with mud and ice the way that steel wheels do.
jyoutz
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In the rural west, trucks are often the family vehicle.
jyoutz
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Thanks for asking. It has been a busy time with all the family and friends who came for the funeral, and now her sister helping me to go through her things. Expect for the lead up to the funeral, I have been going to work. Keeping busy is a blessing; it’s during slack times in the evenings that it gets a bit rough. I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing until I decide to do something different. My sons have also been visiting and taking me to local minor league baseball games. So, I go forward day by day. Thanks again.
Jimmy Joe
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Looks like the Maverick would be a good fit for him, getting back to original post. I ordered one back in 2022 but took too long to arrive, ended up with a Honda Ridgeline off the lot. I admit it cost about $10,000.00 more than the Maverick I had ordered but I have to say I it is roomier, comes with a non turbo v6, I really like the huge trunk in the bed and the 2 way tailgate very handy reaching into the bed. The rear seat folds up easily leaving room to put a full sized bicycle back there, I can lay 4x8 sheeting flat with the tailgate open, nice tie down points in the bed, it tows 5000 pounds my trailer with utv and mulch are about all I tow these days trailer has 3000 max limit I think you need trailer brakes to pull more weight.
It is a unibody truck like the Maverick so has a low height for getting in and is easy to park one of the main reasons I downsized as my full sized GMC was a bit of a pain for that. I have almost 20,000 trouble free miles so far, it is a 2023 am averaging 24.4 MPG.
Things I don't like are the auto dimming headlights are about useless, to me the blind spot monitors are in the wrong place and I agree it could look more truck like. Also I prefer a lever over the push button automatic, just me.
It is a unibody truck like the Maverick so has a low height for getting in and is easy to park one of the main reasons I downsized as my full sized GMC was a bit of a pain for that. I have almost 20,000 trouble free miles so far, it is a 2023 am averaging 24.4 MPG.
Things I don't like are the auto dimming headlights are about useless, to me the blind spot monitors are in the wrong place and I agree it could look more truck like. Also I prefer a lever over the push button automatic, just me.
Oaktree
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A regular shifter seems to be going extinct. Dodge/Ram trucks have had a knob for quite some time now, wife's car has a joystick-like thing that takes getting used to (you push it forward to go into reverse for example). Given that transmissions are all electronic these days no real need for a lever, but I find it easier to use.
