How much do you care about pre emissions

[WinterDeere]

Could the old tractor just have a poor exhaust? Headache is a sign of CO poisoning and 30 minutes is about right.

Also, I'm not sure what type of a respirator is going to filter CO from the air. Something else is happening here, I suspect.

I've owned a half dozen or more pre-emissions tractors, and one with DPF. Neither ever gave me headaches from the exhaust, but I will admit the DPF is much more pleasant to be around, particularly when connecting implements to a running tractor in a shed or other confined space.

On the flip side, the DPF makes the machine a hot ride in summer, but pleasantly warm in winter. Thankfully, I do most of my "tractoring" in cooler weather.

Emissions is not an important enough factor to have any sway over my tractor purchase decision, there are honestly several dozen other factors that matter way more to me. Even if I had the choice, all else being equal, I'm not sure which way I'd go. I really question the decision making skills of anyone who puts this one point high on their list of important factors when choosing a tractor, it really just isn't that big a deal, unless you're that rare bird running an un-cabbed machine in 100F weather on a frequent basis.

 

[DarkBlack]

Could the old tractor just have a poor exhaust? Headache is a sign of CO poisoning and 30 minutes is about right.

Carbon monoxide (CO) is more of a gasoline engine concern. The concentration is about 10 times higher from a gasoline engine ( without a catalytic converter) than a diesel engine.
Diesel’s though, have NOx and other particulate nasties to watch out for that gasoline engines don’t.

 

[chim]

Then from another board:

DPF Regeneration

Things don't work as spelled out in the Owners Manual. Both Regen and Rpm lights are flashing, no beeping set rpm at approx. 2200 and after 30 minute still not working!!

www.orangetractortalks.com

 

[LouNY]

As far DEF and DPF's I don't want them and will avoid them as much as possible. None of my tractors have them and my diesel pickup is gone. I miss the mileage and the torque of that engine but, that exhaust the worst I've ever been around. Back into a shed to load something and the exhaust was terrible, the only vehicle I've ever had to shut off to load something or hookup to something.

 

[DarkBlack]

Then from another board:

DPF Regeneration

Things don't work as spelled out in the Owners Manual. Both Regen and Rpm lights are flashing, no beeping set rpm at approx. 2200 and after 30 minute still not working!!

www.orangetractortalks.com

Where have seen that post before?

 

[DarkBlack]

My Massey 1540 is pre-ridiculous-diesel mandates. Love it.
The factory had the exhaust exit up to the front and low. Fine design for the tractor, if it wasn’t equipped with a loader. The exhaust would reflect off the loader and come back at me. Undesirable situation, no matter what tier engine. I cut off the forward running pipe and installed a $10 elbow with a clamp so it runs rearward under the platform. Works great.

 

[ruffdog]

I used to get splitting sinus headaches when I operated my old pre-emissions tractor for more than 30 minutes. Now I can operate my tier 4 tractor all day and no headache. I would never own another pre-emissions tractor again.

^^same here. I use to work near a rail yard and the smoke the old engines gave off was bad if the wind was a certain way. Then they switched to new clean engines and you could not even see any exhaust....amazing. Most of the issues with emission equipment is that it isn't run hard enough to operate efficiently. If a person just putts around the property (like my neighbor does), they will have issues at some point. My excavator friend (and his workers) NEVER run the equipment slow and easy and they don't have problems except a sensor in the rare occasion.

 

[jyoutz]

Bought a new L3200 in 2012 to get a tractor before final Tier 4. Bought current (used) L4240 to avoid DPF when we went a bit larger in 2019. I heard too much negative early on to be interested in the newer emission standards. Many report trouble-free operation now, but I'm still not sold on it. No sense burning extra fuel to "clean" the DPF.

Burning extra fuel for 15 minutes every 60+ hours.

 

[jyoutz]

Could the old tractor just have a poor exhaust? Headache is a sign of CO poisoning and 30 minutes is about right.

I think it was particulates. It was like that from the day I bought it new in 2000.

 

[jyoutz]

Then from another board:

DPF Regeneration

Things don't work as spelled out in the Owners Manual. Both Regen and Rpm lights are flashing, no beeping set rpm at approx. 2200 and after 30 minute still not working!!

www.orangetractortalks.com

Yep, and it you read that entire discussion, he figured out the situation and it was the operator’s misunderstanding.

 

[WinterDeere]

Burning extra fuel for 15 minutes every 60+ hours.

1. That’s only if you do parked regen, but most regen happens while you’re already operating at higher RPMs.

2. Even worst-case, if you only ever do parked regents, that’s not much fuel. Total run time is 0.25 hours / 60 hours = 1/240 = 0.4%, and burning less fuel per minute under zero load.

It’s not nothing, but it’s awful darn close to it.

 

[jyoutz]

1. That’s only if you do parked regen, but most regen happens while you’re already operating at higher RPMs.

2. Even worst-case, if you only ever do parked regents, that’s not much fuel. Total run time is 0.25 hours / 60 hours = 1/240 = 0.4%, and burning less fuel per minute under zero load.

It’s not nothing, but it’s awful darn close to it.

True. And my last regeneration occurred while I was rotary cutting, so no additional fuel.

 

[chim]

Yep, and it you read that entire discussion, he figured out the situation and it was the operator’s misunderstanding.

OH. Wiggle the steering wheel, put your right foot in, right foot out and spin clockwise three turns, blow you nose ( right nostril only), take two deep breaths and VOILA (wallah in Lancaster County) and it's off to the races

 

[jyoutz]

OH. Wiggle the steering wheel, put your right foot in, right foot out and spin clockwise three turns, blow you nose ( right nostril only), take two deep breaths and VOILA (wallah in Lancaster County) and it's off to the races

Whatever. I’ve never done any of those things. I just keep working while the regeneration occurs and in 15 minutes it’s done.

 

[paulsharvey]

Well, I still wish Mo would have a survey kinda function; but I think I have a rough feel;
about 1/3rd really would pay more, accept less machine for same, or buy a well used machine at near new money to avoid

about 1/3rd absolutely would not, and may or may not necessarily care about emissions, but they aren't going to actively avoid; and they may either actively want the emissions stuff, or atleast want the new machine, and the other features, along with emissions

and about 1/3rd are in the don't care category. If there were to brand new tractors, and one had emissions and one didn't, they would probably take the one without; but they aren't willing to pay additional for used; aren't willing to sacrifice power/features to avoid

 

[WinterDeere]

Well, I still wish Mo would have a survey kinda function; but I think I have a rough feel;

I've been noticing that all or nearly all of those "wouldn't dare" category have never actually owned a tier 4 machine. Looks like fear of the unknown, more than anything else.

Most who have actually owned Tier 4 machines seem to be in the "doesn't matter" or even preferred groups.

 

[DarkBlack]

I've been noticing that all or nearly all of those "wouldn't dare" category have never actually owned a tier 4 machine. Looks like fear of the unknown, more than anything else.

Interesting that you feel you know what everyone has owned , and their reasoning for their opinion

 

[WinterDeere]

Interesting that you feel you know what everyone has owned , and their reasoning for their opinion

Only when they tell us in their post, but many or most who've posted their opinion on this thread have stated as such. There also have not been many, "I own a tier 4 machine, but never again" posts, among the 12 pages of this thread (so far).

 

[dadohead]

I will  never be in favor of mandates that come from beaurocrates I can't vote in/out. Never.

Would probably trade up if I could get a pre-emission tractor. Keeping what I got now.

 

[Grateful11]

1. That’s only if you do parked regen, but most regen happens while you’re already operating at higher RPMs.

2. Even worst-case, if you only ever do parked regents, that’s not much fuel. Total run time is 0.25 hours / 60 hours = 1/240 = 0.4%, and burning less fuel per minute under zero load.

It’s not nothing, but it’s awful darn close to it.

Our L4060 says that it's using 0.7 gallons/hour now that's the computer telling us that but according the the number of hours put on tank fulls it seems about right. It regens about every 35-40 hours. It's sitting at 99% full of particulate matter right now as the operator got tired of piddling around trying to get it to go to 100% LOL. 0.7 gallons/hour is not bad for as hard as it's pushed. I think it has just over 500 hours on it.