Will UAW Strike?

[Pixguy]

I remember 25 years ago when the domestic automakers wanted to put a cap on foreign made autos brought into the country. Ya right.

 

[airbiscuit]

From CBC

Canadian Ford autoworkers ratify Unifor deal with 54% approval​

Canadian autoworkers have narrowly approved a new three-year contract with automaker Ford, according to Unifor.​

...The Ford Motor Co. of Canada offered a 10 per cent wage increase in the first year of its tentative agreement with Unifor, followed by increases of two per cent and three per cent for the second and third years, the Canadian union said on Saturday.

The deal also changed the pay grid. Under the negotiated deal, a newly hired production worker will make $29.67 an hour and reach the top of the pay grid in four years rather than eight, earning $42.39 an hour.

The agreement also includes a $10,000 productivity and quality bonus to all permanent employees on the active roll of the company and a $4,000 bonus for temporary employees.

It also includes a cost-of-living allowance and secured expansion and upgrades at the engine plant in Windsor. Unifor also said that Ford reconfirmed its commitments to transform its Oakville operation to an electric vehicle assembly plant expected to start production in 2025.

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[airbiscuit]

To me, it looks like Canadian workers are saying "Please Ford, don't close our plants"

 

[Gale Hawkins]

To me, it looks like Canadian workers are saying "Please Ford, don't close our plants"

I know the contracts are not Apple to Apple between the two countries, but will this not put a lot of pressure on the USA shops to go along with something similar? In other words, will this contract kind of set a ceiling what the US side can expect to get?

 

[5030]

I doubt it's a new suburban you can dangle your legs in. I don't work on chevies too much anymore but if it's newer, your exaggerating. Nothing in the last couple decades you can do that with

I rarely post pictures but... My wife's LTZ Burb, you can, well figuratively at least. Lets just say I can look over the fender and see the 'Terra-Firma underneath. That is not possible with my front wheel drive Ford. Keep in mind the Burb is conventional rear wheel drive. I wouldn't 'sit' on the fender, my wife would shoot me, besides, the water based paint that auto makers use today is somewhat soft.

 

[5030]

Eventually the big 3 are gonna get rid of the unions. Other big companies have done it. It will be a court battle but it's business

Not sure about a court battle. All any of them has to do is declare bankruptcy and reorganize and not recognize the union and they (union) is done and the employees all become 'at will' employees and totally subject to whatever wages and benefit packages the employers (in this case automakers) decide what is in their best interests.

 

[5030]

All I know is OEM supplier facilities are striking and dealers are already whining about the lack of OEM parts availability to which I think, who the hell buys OEM (overpriced parts) when outfits like Rock Auto and 1A Auto offer the same stuff for much less. As of late, I've become a big fan of 1A Auto versus Rock.

Only time and I mean ONLY time I buy OEM parts is if I cannot buy them aftermarket. the markup on OEM parts is stupid.

Having said that however, there is a large segment of auto owners that will only take their vehicles to an authorized dealer to have them serviced and / or worked on. That isn't me because one, I can service and repair them and two, I have the tools and knowledge to do it.

 

[Torvy]

Not sure about a court battle. All any of them has to do is declare bankruptcy and reorganize and not recognize the union and they (union) is done and the employees all become 'at will' employees and totally subject to whatever wages and benefit packages the employers (in this case automakers) decide what is in their best interests.

You know better. If a big company tried that now the NLRB would have them drawn and quartered (figuratively). Fain is banking on the big guy to back him up.

 

[ruffdog]

I know the contracts are not Apple to Apple between the two countries, but will this not put a lot of pressure on the USA shops to go along with something similar? In other words, will this contract kind of set a ceiling what the US side can expect to get?

The agreement will probably influence the talks down here to some extent. The UAW agreed to huge concessions back in 2008 when layoffs were happening and the future was questionable. Some people believe that whipsawing was happening as some plants were more desperate than others.

 

[tradosaurus]

It's not just putting around here. I mean the Western US. It's fine for seeing my kids in the Metroplex, but daughter in Lubbock? Over 400 miles. Brother, 700+. Parents, 700+. Sisters over 1700. Godmother over 900. These are fairly common trips for me. Bare minimum it means an extra 30 minutes for every 600 miles. Real world is much worse because you get slow charge after 80% and they want you to charge at 20%. So in real terms, you only get 60% of your range when traveling.

That's is IF there is a supercharger and IF it is a available and IF there is no weather or driving conditions (like mountains) that suck power. For your life it may work fine. For my life, a PI hybrid means I can make 1 stop or less to all but my sisters and those stops will take more time for me to go inside to pee than to fill the 10 gallon tank. If I cannot charge, no big deal because I can use 100% gas (or, rather the gas + non plug in functionality) for as long as I want or need. Zero to full charge on a home basic charger is about 5 hours. Best of both worlds. Toyota was right and we are all going to pay for not listening. The infrastructure (I mean generation) is simply too far behind to push full EV. It would take 10 years of a concerted effort to fast track real power improvements before EV is remotely rational as the way most people get around the US.

sounds like ICE is the best scenario for you.

However you aren't supposed to charge more than 80% as it takes longer and is more expensive. Charge to 80% which is the quickest and go down the road to the next supercharge.

Superchargers are available all over the US. Once you plug your destination in the on board app in your Tesla it maps out your route with supercharger sights.

Don't assume things until you've driven a Tesla.

 

[Snobdds]

We like to go sit and watch the Tesla supercharges for passive aggressive fights to breakout.

Good times.

 

[WM75Guy]

Like the Energy Secretary's staff blocking the charging space with an ICE car so she wouldn't have to wait to charge her EV when she arrived?

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

 

[5030]

We 'willed' her to you guys. Glad she isn't here anymore but her replacement is even worse.

 

[tradosaurus]

We like to go sit and watch the Tesla supercharges for passive aggressive fights to breakout.

Good times.

Details please. I need to know what to look for next time I'm at a supercharger.

 

[lilranch2001]

We like to go sit and watch the Tesla supercharges for passive aggressive fights to breakout.

Good times.

I always enjoy watching libs have tantrums

 

[airbiscuit]

Uhmmm, not so sure tradosaurus is a lib

 

[lilranch2001]

Uhmmm, not so sure tradosaurus is a lib

I’m not seeing where I said he was……

 

[tradosaurus]

Uhmmm, not so sure tradosaurus is a lib

Why would I be a lib?

 

[Snobdds]

Details please. I need to know what to look for next time I'm at a supercharger.

I was sitting at a Target waiting for the Mrs. to get a few things and there is a Supercharger facility there. There were 6 cars waiting on 3 occupied chargers.

One guy thought since he was late for something, that allowed him to go first. Some sort of charging station etiquette he kept saying. The others called him on his BS and a good argument ensued.

The best part, he couldn't leave the charging station. He had to sit in his car and just stew while watching someone else start charging their car and walk in to go shopping.

It was at that moment, I decided the entire EV thing was silly. It was giant leap backwards in evolution.

 

[tradosaurus]

I was sitting at a Target waiting for the Mrs. to get a few things and there is a Supercharger facility there. There were 6 cars waiting on 3 occupied chargers.

One guy thought since he was late for something, that allowed him to go first. Some sort of charging station etiquette he kept saying. The others called him on his BS and a good argument ensued.

The best part, he couldn't leave the charging station. He had to sit in his car and just stew while watching someone else start charging their car and walk in to go shopping.

It was at that moment, I decided the entire EV thing was silly. It was giant leap backwards in evolution.

Haven't seen a Tesla supercharging station with less than 8 stations.

So a high tech car that doesn't need combustible fuel is a giant leap backwards in evolution? I've seen videos of gunfights happening a gas stations.

Why are you so hostile toward EV's?