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WinterDeere · Sep 17, 2023

Grumpycat said:
Cylinder deactivation.

I love TPMS.

Ditto. I'm amazed anyone could dislike this feature. If I bought a car today without TPMS (is it even possible?), I'd likely install my own aftermarket. Same with backup cameras.

I love old cars. Heck, I used to own a 1939 Cadillac LaSalle, among several others. But I love new cars even more. No comparison on handling, horsepower, reliability, lower maintenance, comfort, convenience features, storage space... I could go on. Anyone looking at old cars with rose-colored glasses, while criticizing the new, surely forgets how much work old cars were to maintain in good running condition. It's hard not to admire a 2020 Hellcat or Shelby GT500, no matter what you think of their predecessors.

All of my modern 5.7L and 6.4L HEMI cars (I have three) have cylinder de-activation, but it's disabled with a button press. I push the start button, then the button to disable the cylinder deactivation, in that order, before pulling out of the garage. No biggie.

Grumpycat · Sep 17, 2023

fatjay said:
Show me a modern day engine that will go to 300k miles. Lots of 80's, 90's, and even early 00's engines make it well past 200k and with basic care, 300k. Adding complexity of all the crap they have added to increase mpg while maintaining power.

With twin turbochargers, no less. Oh, and he traded it fearing the transmission would need major service.

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Kyle_in_Tex · Sep 17, 2023

5030 said:
I'm not sure what is worse engineering wise... GM's cylinder deactivation (that causes the engines to burn oil) or TPMS sensors or the stop start feature. All bad in my opinion.

100% agree, if only mfg's would all make a deactivation button, to let consumers decide if they want their engines to last longer.

Cylinder deactivation has cost consumers countless wads of money. It is a crock of crap. I bought a black box to plug in for long trips for my Yukon. A buddy had to research for days, finding the right length lifters to do a cam/lifter overhaul.

Some folks I've known, wouldn't buy anything but a push rod engine, with good reasons. Now, the gov't has made it where they don't last.

TPMS is a pain, costing too much to keep up IMO. If it only cost $20 a tire to keep up every 8 years, it would be worth it.

Grumpycat · Sep 17, 2023

Kyle_in_Tex said:
Some folks I've known, wouldn't buy anything but a push rod engine, with good reasons. Now, the gov't has made it where they don't last.

Ford Godzilla 7.3L is pushrod. State of the art too.

Kyle_in_Tex said:
TPMS is a pain, costing too much to keep up IMO. If it only cost $20 a tire to keep up every 8 years, it would be worth it.

Well, $30 is a high DIY price. Autel MX sensors are usually (4) for $120 at Amazon. Model specific OE-compatible sensors are less.

Friend's 2011 Ford went 11 years before one sensor battery failed, 2 reported weak, and 1 was still happy as a clam.

Richard001 · Sep 17, 2023

Grumpycat said:
Cylinder deactivation.

I love TPMS. I put aftermarket TPMS on my streetbike and on my trailers. Saved my butt many times on the streetbike providing early warning during a ride that the rear tire was deflating. Yamaha FJR1300 doesn't do bad things going straight until the tire is very deflated. I certainly do not want to enter a fast sharp turn with a half inflated tire as I'll occasionally drag a footpeg. I don't want to drag a handlebar.

I love TPMS so much I own an Autel TS-508. I know 5030 is really hating me now! The TS-508 is fun for being able to check tire pressure, non-contact. Don't have to bend over! Totally excessive! But fun! Impress Your Friends!

Neither my Tesla nor Subaru have TPMS PSI display. The lowly F-150 does. Tesla would add it for only $800, replace the TPMS module to the latest, update the software, and change the wheel sensors. Cool that they could/would do it, but not at that price.

The F-150 has ASS. Has an easy button on the dash to disable until the next engine start. Doesn't bother me most of the time but if I approach a traffic light that I think is about to change I hit the button. So far too lazy to fire up Forscan to turn it off by default. Doesn't bother me enough to make that effort and I don't know of anything I want to hack on the truck.

If you are having one flat tire after another, your doing something wrong.

Over the last 20 years, I have only one tire go flat, and that was a blow-out on my trailer.

Check your tire pressures and look at your tires.

Richard

5030 · Sep 17, 2023

I'm perfectly capable of using a tire gage and maintaining correct air pressure. Just had the TPMS sensors replaced on the wife's Burb to the tune of 160 bucks. Once one fails it's only a matter of time for the rest to fail. No frigging defeat sadly.

Holley makes a cylinder deactivation device that plugs into the OBD port but you can (at the expense of a check engine light) deactivate it by pulling the Molex connector on the power brake booster.

Later model GM engines require a major teardown to delete it.

All that stop-start crap does is wear out your starter anyway.

5030 · Sep 17, 2023

The 2 things that a lot of people NEVER check is tire pressure and windshield washer fluid.

scootr · Sep 17, 2023

The Beetle has TPM without sensors in the tires.
I'm good with that.
It works via the ABS wheel-speed sensors. They sense when tire pressure drops, because the wheel roll is reduced and it turns more quickly at the same car speed. The system checks your tires constantly, keeping you safer

scootr · Sep 17, 2023

5030 said:
The 2 things that a lot of people NEVER check is tire pressure and windshield washer fluid.

And radiator fluid and trans fluid and gear oil and grease fittings and belts and hoses and oh! I'm getting carried away.

Grumpycat · Sep 17, 2023

Richard001 said:
If you are having one flat tire after another, your doing something wrong.

Over the last 20 years, I have only one tire go flat, and that was a blow-out on my trailer.

4 or 5 in 85,000 miles on street bike. Am very careful about where I put my wheels, crud at intersections, etc. Flats are always on the rear. 2 lane country roads. The porcelain slit was on urban roads.

Very few on my automobiles. One on Subaru while touring my property. Oddly I have only had one on dirtbike in 20 years but in races on the same trails with 150 or 500 bikes we continuously pull people out with flats. Tube tires go flat quickly. My street bike is tubeless.

One on Tesla. On 4 lane US-64. “Thump thump thump” big fender screw made noise. Quickly pulled over. Prepared plug kit. Took screw out, no air escaped. Splashed with water to confirm. Put plug kit away. Bought 4 new tires the next week. See photo below.