Horse farm needs tractor

[Torvy]

I didn't say it, but I agree with it, for reasons that have nothing to do with racism. Perhaps you could call me ignorant, that's possible.

The perception is that JD and Kubota offer:

1. Less loss on eventual resale, so long-term, less costly.
2. Better availability of parts and accessories.
3. Better long-term duration of parts availability, as the thing ages out of production.
4. More mature designs, small secondary but still important things, that have developed over decades of refinement.

You could argue on point 4, but as long as points 1 and 3 have any merit, what's the point?

Where's my pot stirrer?

Ya, hey. Let me help you out with that there.

1) Marketing horse hockey. You get more, back because you paid more up front. $ lost wise you are still better off with the affordable brands. If I bought a JD that matched my T574H in ability it would have cost 45k. Sell it 10 years from now for $35k. $10k loss. Paid $29k 10 years from now it sells for $23k. Yes, your get 'more' back with the JD because it cost more. The dollars lost favors the lower cost brands. Even if that wasn't true, if you make your decision on resale value, don't buy any in the first place.

2) For some people, yes. The reality is that more dealerships don't matter if they are all owned by the same guys who don't care about your CUT. The parts prices are as inflated as the paint. Not really a plus unless you have your favorite brand glasses on.

3) This is model-specific. For all brands, they stop making parts for some units. You can find people looking for JD and Kubota parts, too. The bigger issue is with the store-brand or makes who sell other OEM rebrands. That doesn't apply to the big 3 Korean brands. This argument is also incongruous with your resale one. If you are selling it when it ages, you don't need the parts.

4) This is just your nationalist bias showing. TYM has been around a long time. Just because they didn't market in the US does not mean they didn't have engineers designing tractors for a long time.

Reality is some people need to be sheep and feel more comfortable with a nameplate that sounds familiar and they can mention to friends and family without an explanation of who makes it. If that is you, fine, own it. Don't pretend there are rational reasons for the differences. These are not a few hundred or even a couple of thousand in price differences. Same nonsense happens in auto and truck forums. Parochial attachment to brands without basis in reality.

 

[Tractorable]

I did some shopping for OP. If the budget can be stretched to $30K OP could get into a lightly used Kubota L3560 for sale in Indiana. Awesome tractor.

If the budget is firm OP could get lightly used Kioti CK3510SE. Also a great tractor.

2021 KUBOTA L3560HST For Sale in Jasper, Indiana

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2022 KIOTI CK3510SE HST For Sale in Hermann, Missouri

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[WinterDeere]

Ya, hey. Let me help you out with that there.

1) Marketing horse hockey. You get more, back because you paid more up front. $ lost wise you are still better off with the affordable brands. If I bought a JD that matched my T574H in ability it would have cost 45k. Sell it 10 years from now for $35k. $10k loss. Paid $29k 10 years from now it sells for $23k. Yes, your get 'more' back with the JD because it cost more. The dollars lost favors the lower cost brands. Even if that wasn't true, if you make your decision on resale value, don't buy any in the first place.

2) For some people, yes. The reality is that more dealerships don't matter if they are all owned by the same guys who don't care about your CUT. The parts prices are as inflated as the paint. Not really a plus unless you have your favorite brand glasses on.

3) This is model-specific. For all brands, they stop making parts for some units. You can find people looking for JD and Kubota parts, too. The bigger issue is with the store-brand or makes who sell other OEM rebrands. That doesn't apply to the big 3 Korean brands. This argument is also incongruous with your resale one. If you are selling it when it ages, you don't need the parts.

4) This is just your nationalist bias showing. TYM has been around a long time. Just because they didn't market in the US does not mean they didn't have engineers designing tractors for a long time.

Reality is some people need to be sheep and feel more comfortable with a nameplate that sounds familiar and they can mention to friends and family without an explanation of who makes it. If that is you, fine, own it. Don't pretend there are rational reasons for the differences. These are not a few hundred or even a couple of thousand in price differences. Same nonsense happens in auto and truck forums. Parochial attachment to brands without basis in reality.

Given their sales numbers, you just called the majority of tractor buyers in this country sheep, or idiots. As if Deere and Kubota have no legitimate reason for selling more than other brands. Well, I guess you're smarter than all of them.

 

[jeff9366]

I did some shopping for OP. If the budget can be stretched to $30K OP could get into a lightly used Kubota L3560 for sale in Indiana. Awesome tractor.

2021 KUBOTA L3560HST For Sale in Jasper, Indiana

2021 KUBOTA L3560HST For Sale in Jasper, Indiana at TractorHouse.com

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Buying Advice - Kubota L3560 - Grand L

Here is another question in connection with my upcoming purchase of a Kubota L2501 HST.... Weights - I plan to get my rear tires filled, and will likely keep the rear blade on for additional rear weight......Not sure if I want to also get wheel weights or a ballast box. ===== I assume you...

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[WM75Guy]

I would be looking at a 40HP tractor at the least, so a used machine may be your best option. Dealers should have financing options if you go that route or check with your local ag credit company. We have 14 acres and horses. My wife has a New Holland TC40DA for dragging the arena and doing odd jobs. She has no problems operating it. It has a 2 range HST with a hi/low switch, so it becomes a 4 range. I did use it for mowing with a 6' cutter before I got my WM75. Just for comparison there is a used TC40DA in Illinois at a $17,900 asking price on Tractorhouse. The asking price is usually negotiable and not the final selling price.

Since this picture was taken I have switched the loader over to SSQA. Makes it much more versatile to be able to switch out the bucket for pallet forks or a hay spear. I had a 3PT hay spear and a spear for the FEL. I would put one on the back for ballast and move the others with the front spear. Made it stable to load or unload the round bales from the trailer. Plus twice as fast getting them out of the pasture after baling.

 

[rScotty]

I did some shopping for OP. If the budget can be stretched to $30K OP could get into a lightly used Kubota L3560 for sale in Indiana. Awesome tractor.

If the budget is firm OP could get lightly used Kioti CK3510SE. Also a great tractor.

2021 KUBOTA L3560HST For Sale in Jasper, Indiana

2021 KUBOTA L3560HST For Sale in Jasper, Indiana at TractorHouse.com

www.tractorhouse.com

2022 KIOTI CK3510SE HST For Sale in Hermann, Missouri

2022 KIOTI CK3510SE HST For Sale in Hermann, Missouri at TractorHouse.com. KIOTI CK3510SEH MFWD, COMPACT TRACTOR WITH LOADER, 2022, 34.9hp, 3 cylinder diesel, 3 range dual foot pedal controlled hydrostatic transmission, 4 wheel drive plus rear differential lock, 2 post folding ROPS with sun...

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But the OP said their budget could be stretched to $20K, not $30K. So to help them the most, don't we need to be working with the smaller number? That is still a lot of money, and buys a lot of tractor.
$20K will buy a tractor - possibly low hour used - that is reliable and will do a lot of work for them. That probably means looking at what is absolutely essential - not what is best.
A basic tractor & loader. Not much HP. Best quality for the dollar.

Sure, going to 30K will get a better tractor for their purposes - and like you I bet they will probably end up there eventually anyway. But in the meanwhile there is work to be done and learning too. Going too far too fast is a sure way to end up spending more time paying debt than enjoying the farm. $20K buys a lot of improvement on that old Massey - and still leaves the Massey to soak up whatever free time the horses don't.

rScotty

 

[2manyrocks]

There have been a number of threads where someone has asked about buying a 25hp tractor and they realize that they need a larger one, the problem being that tractor prices have gotten pretty high. A 25hp HST 4wd would be a significant improvement over the Massey for barn clean up work, but it's not going to run a 6' cutter.

Hard to predict where the OP ends up. Looks like it will depend on what is for sale new or used in the OP's area and what kind of financing is available.

There was a time when horses or mules pulled the implements and did the actual work.

 

[Horsetime]

Buying Advice - Kubota L3560 - Grand L

Here is another question in connection with my upcoming purchase of a Kubota L2501 HST.... Weights - I plan to get my rear tires filled, and will likely keep the rear blade on for additional rear weight......Not sure if I want to also get wheel weights or a ballast box. ===== I assume you...

www.tractorbynet.com

 

[Horsetime]

I think I may end up going KIOTI. I watched some reviews and comparably it looks like the KIOTI have a higher loader bucket capacity and some other features that beat out KUBOTA.

I did speak with a KIOTI dealer and he has a CK2620 (which replaced the CK2610) for $24,999. That's probably the top top of my budget depending on payments. I'd prefer to pay it off before I'm dead.

He also has the S2520 for more (forgot how much more).

Same frame, same transmission, same motor, same lift capacity, but comes with the emissions standards and the higher HP. Although I am still not sure we need the higher HP and there seems to be a way to adjust the S2620 for that on your own.

Regarding the cutter, it's a 5 foot version. I don't think I'd sell it for a 4 foot as the zero turn is the same size. I do have a friend with a sub compact and a 4 foot cutter that they are happy with but they don't have a zero turn. Once we bought the z turn the Bush hog has been sitting.

Thoughts?

 

[2manyrocks]

$24,999 seems really high. I paid $22,000 for my L2501 March, 2022. If they are going to charge you interest on top of that price, that doesn't seem like any kind of deal to me.