MF 1835M loader support collapsed on tractor

[Tractorable]

Dang! I was interested in buying one of those new all-Iseki Massey’s. Not anymore! I have noticed the Kubota loaders use a lot more steel in their designs so I’ll probably be going orange.

 

[BruceS_55]

Man, I'm sorry this happened. You seem a lot more calm about it than I would be. I am in the same camp with those that think MF will warranty it. Bad customer relations spreads like wild fire. It would be bad for business not to deal with this.

 

[olenjohn]

And that my friends is another reason why you DO NOT use a tractor FEL for a personnel hoist / work platform.

 

[boatmoter]

Was moving dirt today when all of the sudden my loader started going down all by itself. This was crazy looking. You can see in the photos that the loader sub frame View attachment 802798 gave way on both sides. It appears to be either bad welds or cheap metal. Either way, it’s nuts that it would do this with only 140 hours on it.

geezz. I have seen tractors break into at the trans & engine before,this is unreal,wonder where massy is having these built? I would scream warranty on this if it was just dirt in the bucket

 

[redmt]

You get what you pay for.

 

[Mike rich]

Almost all loaders made are made by alo and painted for whatever tractor you own. They are made to fit each tractor model. They are super and there people will get to the bottom of what happened. Dealer put my loader on incorrectly,they made it right,and then reimbursed me for the work I did.Every alo loader comes with a parts diagram and instructions in detail. Some dealers put the loader on,but can't follow instructions

 

[deezler]

Dang, that sucks! Definitely looks like the one side had lost it's weld across the top for a long time already. Which is odd because clearly the side welds were stronger than the metal itself, causing the tubing to rip apart instead of also failing on the side welds. Was it really even welded across the top?

 

[Brendanspapa]

It appears to be poor fabrication. I would definitely take it back to the dealer and try to get a replacement under warranty.

 

[dkmc]

I'd say it's just built too light for the size of the machine period. My GF has a MF 1529, everything about the tractor is minimal. Not a pound of extra metal anywhere on the machine. It would not lift a full bucket of dirt so I checked the pressure relief and it was set 300 psi low. I set it to max according to the manual. Now I'm wondering if the loader is even capable of withstanding working with the pressure set at max. I park it next to my '57 IH 330, no comparison on the robust design. They really do not build them like they used to...

 

[HAR]

A truly bizarre event. Happening on one side? Maybe? Both sides? Not a chance! Bad material, workmanship, and design!

 

[walnutman]

That's nuts.

 

[Blue Mule]

Sad part is, even if they warranty this they'll just stick the same one back on again and it'll be prone to the same problem. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Dang! I was interested in buying one of those new all-Iseki Massey’s. Not anymore! I have noticed the Kubota loaders use a lot more steel in their designs so I’ll probably be going orange.

What's crazy is that the 1800E machines use a tubular setup, as on the OP's friends tractor. A quick Google image search, looking at them side-by-side, I don't know why they don't both use similar mounts.

 

[Doug62]

I am assuming it is broke on one side not both? I cannot say for sure but this had to be bad from new small crack to start with and took a while to work its way down and finally failed? It is fixable with proper grinding and i would put in plates on both sides for more support and do the same to the other side. Going to take some welding and repositioning, If i was close i could
help you fix it !

I can fix it if the won’t warranty it. But the fact that this is the weak link is sort of nuts. Both failed. Same place. The welds don’t look like they burned through.

 

[tacticalturnip]

You get what you pay for.

Please, enlighten us and expand on this comment. Did OP buy a cheap product? Did he purchase an entry level machine? What about a Massey 1835M is inherently inferior to the other machines in this class?

I guess he should have purchased [your favored brand].

 

[Doug62]

Man, I'm sorry this happened. You seem a lot more calm about it than I would be. I am in the same camp with those that think MF will warranty it. Bad customer relations spreads like wild fire. It would be bad for business not to deal with this.

I’m not too worried. I can fix it if needed but I’d use better steel. But MF would be wise to fix this before I feel the need to escalate it.

 

[walnutman]

Please, enlighten us and expand on this comment. Did OP buy a cheap product? Did he purchase an entry level machine? What about a Massey 1835M is inherently inferior to the other machines in this class?

I guess he should have purchased [your favored brand].

I guess he should have purchased [a Yanmar].

 

[aircommuter]

Those frame assemblies are probably shipped in from China. That older/rusted area at the top is the area with the most load when carrying material with the bucket and hitting some bumps along a traveled area. Looks like it came that way and covered with black paint. Yellow is nice, cracks are easier to see.
Automated production and not enough inspection.
Someone mentioned that the hydraulic relief valves are not used except when the lever is pulled. I haven’t seen the valves on this machine model but all the ones I have worked on in the last 55 years had circuit design with relief valves being in the circuit at all times. Kinda useless otherwise.
All in all that is a defect that they should jump on!!

 

[chim]

It would be interesting to see if the current frames are made differently. The sticker on that one says REV2. Are they perhaps up to REV3 or REV4?

Also, wonder if the welds would be the same on the broken and new frames. As in, were some missed on the broken frame?

 

[K5lwq]

Someone mentioned that the hydraulic relief valves are not used except when the lever is pulled. I haven’t seen the valves on this machine model but all the ones I have worked on in the last 55 years had circuit design with relief valves being in the circuit at all times. Kinda useless otherwise.

Interesting. Do you happen to have a diagram how this works? I always thought when the spool is centered it closes all other ports off so no way for the relief to work.