death of regular cab pickups

[Jstpssng]

Just for fun I specked out a new version of the truck I would buy if I could find a clean used for the right price; Regular cab F250 4x4. The only options I clicked on were the snow plow package, 10,000 GVRW and locking rear end. It was a bit over 50K. For comparison I had specked a similar truck in 2020 before buying my Colorado; a similar Ford or GM at the time was around 36K. That's around a 30% jump in under 3 years.

 

[deserteagle71]

Just for fun I specked out a new version of the truck I would buy if I could find a clean used for the right price; Regular cab F250 4x4. The only options I clicked on were the snow plow package, 10,000 GVRW and locking rear end. It was a bit over 50K. For comparison I had specked a similar truck in 2020 before buying my Colorado; a similar Ford or GM at the time was around 36K. That's around a 30% jump in under 3 years.

That's about right. It's called "making hay while the sun shines"...the auto manufacturers saw that the buying public were willing to buy no matter how high the price so they just kept raising the prices, and they will keep on doing so until the buying public stops buying.

For the past 3 years or so I'd been shopping for a new Jeep Wrangler to replace my 2006. The prices have soared in those 3 years. How's this for a Wrangler which essentially is just a toy?

A version of the Wrangler is now available with the 6.4l V8. Starting price is ~ $85,000 - but dealers are adding surcharges taking the price much higher. Yet Jeep can't make enough of them! THAT'S why the prices are so high - because people are willing to pay!

By the way...Jeep is now making the "Grand Wagoneer" model again. It starts around $110,000............

 

[blacktruck]

That's about right. It's called "making hay while the sun shines"...the auto manufacturers saw that the buying public were willing to buy no matter how high the price so they just kept raising the prices, and they will keep on doing so until the buying public stops buying.

For the past 3 years or so I'd been shopping for a new Jeep Wrangler to replace my 2006. The prices have soared in those 3 years. How's this for a Wrangler which essentially is just a toy?
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A version of the Wrangler is now available with the 6.4l V8. Starting price is ~ $85,000 - but dealers are adding surcharges taking the price much higher. Yet Jeep can't make enough of them! THAT'S why the prices are so high - because people are willing to pay!

By the way...Jeep is now making the "Grand Wagoneer" model again. It starts around $110,000............

I can't say that I am shocked by all of this. Definitely surprised but not shocked. I haven't bought a new truck since 2007. I bought a new diesel just prior to the installation of the DPF. I cannot imagine buying a car or truck (non-commercial) that cost nearly as much as a decent home in this area. I don't know who is buying these and how they are paying for them. I think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the realm of reality for many people. Looking at the facilities owned by many car dealerships, someone is making money in this process along with the manufacturer. Yep, as much as I would like to get a new truck or car, I'm out of the market now.

 

[Big Barn]

here’s my special order F150 regular cab (6.5 foot) short box.

my dealer sells 500(+~-) F150s per year and was only allotted one regular cab last year and this one for 2023.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

I can't say that I am shocked by all of this. Definitely surprised but not shocked. I haven't bought a new truck since 2007. I bought a new diesel just prior to the installation of the DPF. I cannot imagine buying a car or truck (non-commercial) that cost nearly as much as a decent home in this area. I don't know who is buying these and how they are paying for them. I think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the realm of reality for many people. Looking at the facilities owned by many car dealerships, someone is making money in this process along with the manufacturer. Yep, as much as I would like to get a new truck or car, I'm out of the market now.

I will never buy a new vehicle again. I will drag a 1989 caviler out of the woods and fix it before I give these automakers another dime. I bought a 2016 Tacoma and it was a joke. Trans shifted like garbage dealer said it was normal. I went to the dealer and told them, I wanted to sell it back and buy a decked out Tundra. Greedy suckers couldnt wait to buy it back. Took the check and walked out the door. Bought my 2003 cat eye Duramax. Dropped S&S SAC injectors in it and have had it since.

 

[ovrszd]

That's about right. It's called "making hay while the sun shines"...the auto manufacturers saw that the buying public were willing to buy no matter how high the price so they just kept raising the prices, and they will keep on doing so until the buying public stops buying.

For the past 3 years or so I'd been shopping for a new Jeep Wrangler to replace my 2006. The prices have soared in those 3 years. How's this for a Wrangler which essentially is just a toy?
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A version of the Wrangler is now available with the 6.4l V8. Starting price is ~ $85,000 - but dealers are adding surcharges taking the price much higher. Yet Jeep can't make enough of them! THAT'S why the prices are so high - because people are willing to pay!

By the way...Jeep is now making the "Grand Wagoneer" model again. It starts around $110,000............

I like ur spec sheet. How much for Rubicon or did you check?

 

[ovrszd]

I can't say that I am shocked by all of this. Definitely surprised but not shocked. I haven't bought a new truck since 2007. I bought a new diesel just prior to the installation of the DPF. I cannot imagine buying a car or truck (non-commercial) that cost nearly as much as a decent home in this area. I don't know who is buying these and how they are paying for them. I think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the realm of reality for many people. Looking at the facilities owned by many car dealerships, someone is making money in this process along with the manufacturer. Yep, as much as I would like to get a new truck or car, I'm out of the market now.

Had to think about it. Last new was 2004.

 

[ovrszd]

here’s my special order F150 regular cab (6.5 foot) short box.

my dealer sells 500(+~-) F150s per year and was only allotted one regular cab last year and this one for 2023.

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Oh my friend, you an I would look very good cruisin that!!!

Trucks like this turn my head every time!!!! Not gonna meet yourself coming down the road in that!!!

 

[Hughman]

I like ur spec sheet. How much for Rubicon or did you check?

I've had one on order since Christmas. Still hasn't hit the production line and I'm not holding out much hope at this point because of the 100% recall on all manual JLs. Just north of 60k.

 

[OzarkChris]

A half-ton, crew cab truck is extremely versatile. It has more room inside for passengers than basically any car on the market barring none. The rear seats can be folded up to the back wall, allowing a flat floor that is large and can accommodate a lot. The seats are comfortable, the cab is as quiet as a sedan. You get the higher ride height most people seem to want. Acceleration is very quick with today's engines, be it V8 or turbo 6. Braking, handling, and ride quality is quite good...

This is NOT a slam on you - youve already stated your need for trucks, but I think this first paragraph is exactly why the price of trucks cost 3+x the cost of my first house. IMO "Big City Folk" (BCF) wouldn't be caught dead in a "Standard - No frills" vehicle. As I've mentioned many times (in numerous threads), we get these BCF (or what we also call "Weekenders") that come out here, buy a tiny lot - 5-10 acres - and then build a McMansion so they can park their decked out 4x4 350/3500 - usually non-dually - their Lexus or Porsche SUV and much more tractor than they really need. 90+% of these BCF appear to very rarely (if ever) used this much truck for what it was made for.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting them for buying them, just making an observation. IMO, trucks like that were made for heavy hauling, trampsing through the slop on the farm, etc. The surly don't need auto wipers, headlights or autonomous (or what ever they call it) cruise controls. I also think that if a person can't backup a trailer (without the autonomous trailer backer option) they really shouldn't be hauling a trailer. I personally see so many folk that appear to be BCF hauling trailers that are more than just dangerous. I'm talking about idiotic loads that are running 3-4x the limit if their trailers. One recent example was a guy pulling a 10-12' trailer (single axle, of course) filled to at least 4' high (3 rows over the rails) front to back with cement block. The trailer looked really new, but I'm sure currently has either a busted or severely compromised axle. Beside that, he was going 50+ mph with out any lashings, just the back gate closed. Unless he packed it this way, it appeared he had already lost several blocks from the back corners.

Anyway that's my turn on the soapbox tonight.