Gasoline Tractors are they coming Back ?

[can do]

With the high prices of diesel fuel , & possible shortages looming are manufactures considering bringing back gasoline engines that have become more efficient than the ones from 50 to 60 years ago ! & the EV tractors are starting prove themselves not reliable in extreme weather conditions , & the power grid is not there in rural areas & not to mention operating cost ! The diesel engine is still the most efficient as far as fuel consumption , But having to meet stronger emission standards allot of owners are not happy with the regens & having to run def in there tractor of 25 HP or more which adds more to operating cost & efficiency ! In summary would you consider buying a new gasoline engine tractor instead of a EV tractor ! Or as a substitute for a diesel if they were available ? Just a thought .

 

[Opti-Mist]

They still exist up to 34 hp. I have one w/540 PTO, FWD & Loader. Sure is handy.

 

[Paystar]

I already am. With the new emission controlled engines and the skyrocketing prices of new tractors, I'd rather buy old antique tractors, convert to 12 volt and electronic ignition very cheaply and have a tractor that runs every day forever.

 

[repete]

That is why I "Over maintain" my older diesel tractors. I do not want anything that tells me a code.

 

[oldnslo]

Would a newer gas be much better maintenance wise than diesel since the catalytic converters would be fire starters along with all the sensors on new gas engines.

 

[can do]

I already am. With the new emission controlled engines and the skyrocketing prices of new tractors, I'd rather buy old antique tractors, convert to 12 volt and electronic ignition very cheaply and have a tractor that runs every day forever.

Hey Paystar ! I'm still running my 1959 M-F 50 gasoline as well at least weekly , But if they came out with newer tractors with gasoline engines would You buy one with a inline 6 or 4 cylinder if they were made available again? Have Merry Christmas !

 

[rScotty]

There was a time when diesels were the simplest motors. They were entirely mechanical without any electrical systems or carburetors. Gas engines were better at just about everything else, and much less expensive because of the lower compression ratio.
I liked the gasoline industrial engines. They ran wonderfully smoothly at low RPM and started easily. Easy to maintain and rebuild. Lasted just as long as diesels. A much quieter engine and easy to control emissions.
I don't see any great advantage to today's diesels. For most things, the gasoline engines do better.
rScotty

 

[Jstpssng]

You raise an interesting question. One drawback of gas for occasional users is that it doesn't store as well as diesel does. I can shut my diesel tractor off, pull the key and walk away from it for a year. (Theoretically speaking... it's a rare occasion that it sets for more than a week.)

 

[can do]

Would a newer gas be much better maintenance wise than diesel since the catalytic converters would be fire starters along with all the sensors on new gas engines.

A tractor would be exempt on some sensors , & catalytic converters can be located anywhere on a tractor! rather than underneath. & also most of the sensors are way more reliable than they were 30 years ago.

 

[wolc123]

With diesel costing over $ 2 per gallon more than gas right now, it makes sense to use gas tractors. I think we will see that difference tighten way up by the spring.

The reason for the big difference right now, is that we are at the point of maximum demand for heating oil. That is identical to diesel fuel, except for the color.

 

[Paystar]

Hey Paystar ! I'm still running my 1959 M-F 50 gasoline as well at least weekly , But if they came out with newer tractors with gasoline engines would You buy one with a inline 6 or 4 cylinder if they were made available again? Have Merry Christmas !

Depends. Obviously new tractors have much more comfortable cabs and in most cases better hydraulic systems, but I've never been rich, so I don't like giving money away and I feel the new stuff is WAY over priced. Can I afford it? Yes. But I feel stupid buying it.
I have my little B and RTV which do not have any DPF or SCR and I have my bigger antiques that can do any job I need to do.
No they don't have cabs, radios, cup holders or blue tooth. But that is the whole appeal to me. I LOVE old stuff.

But more to your point, the government has completely ruined the diesel engine, which if they had left them alone could have been more fuel efficient and reliable than ANYTHING today. And I think a new gasoline engine is far superior when it comes to simplicity and reliability. I'm sure with the new technology they have in gas engines they can be very efficient in a tractor application and have way more torque than in the past.

Not to mention here where I live, off road diesel is over $2.00 per litre and gas is $1.54.

And Merry Christmas to you as well Can Do! All the best to you and your family.

 

[jjeff]

Would a newer gas be much better maintenance wise than diesel since the catalytic converters would be fire starters along with all the sensors on new gas engines.

In my experience with a regen on a DPF it gets way hotter than any cat on a gasser. My former 326 had DPF, during regen I was always leary of it starting a fire.

 

[can do]

You raise an interesting question. One drawback of gas for occasional users is that it doesn't store as well as diesel does. I can shut my diesel tractor off, pull the key and walk away from it for a year. (Theoretically speaking... it's a rare occasion that it sets for more than a week.)

I concur some what in that I own a older gasoline tractor that I have owned for 26 years ! The longest I've let her sit is 3 months , & I have never had a issue with fuel in the tank or carburetor issues.

 

[can do]

Depends. Obviously new tractors have much more comfortable cabs and in most cases better hydraulic systems, but I've never been rich, so I don't like giving money away and I feel the new stuff is WAY over priced. Can I afford it? Yes. But I feel stupid buying it.
I have my little B and RTV which do not have any DPF or SCR and I have my bigger antiques that can do any job I need to do.
No they don't have cabs, radios, cup holders or blue tooth. But that is the whole appeal to me. I LOVE old stuff.

But more to your point, the government has completely ruined the diesel engine, which if they had left them alone could have been more fuel efficient and reliable than ANYTHING today. And I think a new gasoline engine is far superior when it comes to simplicity and reliability. I'm sure with the new technology they have in gas engines they can be very efficient in a tractor application and have way more torque than in the past.

Not to mention here where I live, off road diesel is over $2.00 per litre and gas is $1.54.

And Merry Christmas to you as well Can Do! All the best to you and your family.

Thanks & again to You as well !

 

[LittleBill21]

it blows my mind that I can hand start a 4 cyl farmall, when i was first told this, I was like really, but I did it last week in the 30's because the battery was too low. and she started pretty easy.

 

[oldnslo]

In my experience with a regen on a DPF it gets way hotter than any cat on a gasser. My former 326 had DPF, during regen I was always leary of it starting a fire.

Jeff
Very good point on the regen getting hot. I never even gave that a thought.

 

[oldnslo]

it blows my mind that I can hand start a 4 cyl farmall, when i was first told this, I was like really, but I did it last week in the 30's because the battery was too low. and she started pretty easy.

I cut a block of wood to hold down the clutch on our M Farmall for hand cranking in the winter. Not trying to turn the tranny at minus 20 makes starting much easier. Yes if tuned up typically first or 2nd crank it was running.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Next step will be electric, they are already out in different brands, but Kubota will have one out in "23".

Then a company already has engines coming out that are made to run on ethanol! I believe it's 89% ethanol, they are designed to be in heavy equipment.

SR

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Depends. Obviously new tractors have much more comfortable cabs and in most cases better hydraulic systems, but I've never been rich, so I don't like giving money away and I feel the new stuff is WAY over priced. Can I afford it? Yes. But I feel stupid buying it.
I have my little B and RTV which do not have any DPF or SCR and I have my bigger antiques that can do any job I need to do.
No they don't have cabs, radios, cup holders or blue tooth. But that is the whole appeal to me. I LOVE old stuff.

But more to your point, the government has completely ruined the diesel engine, which if they had left them alone could have been more fuel efficient and reliable than ANYTHING today. And I think a new gasoline engine is far superior when it comes to simplicity and reliability. I'm sure with the new technology they have in gas engines they can be very efficient in a tractor application and have way more torque than in the past.

Not to mention here where I live, off road diesel is over $2.00 per litre and gas is $1.54.

And Merry Christmas to you as well Can Do! All the best to you and your family.

I'm with you...my "newest" tractor is a 2002 Mahindra 6000 (4wd/front loader/backhoe). Pretty much no electronics, just guts. My "daily driver" is a 1967 Ferguson 135 with the Continental Z145 gas engine. That thing starts on the first crank every time...I bought it about 13 or so years ago...it only had 687 orginal hours on it..today it has 1100...I don't do heavy farm work with them, but don't know what I'd do without them....I also have a '74 Farmall 140 that I play with. I start them all every week if I don't have anything else to do with them....hope they last as long as I do. regards, BobG in VA

 

[Paystar]

Next step will be electric, they are already out in different brands, but Kubota will have one out in "23".

Then a company already has engines coming out that are made to run on ethanol! I believe it's 89% ethanol, they are designed to be in heavy equipment.

SR

Me, I'd rather take gas than electric. I'd even go back to propane. Nice clean fuel. I had a Ford truck on propane and I never had any issues with that thing. Even here where it gets down to minus 40.
But they are even gouging us on the price of propane now too.