Question about starters and fuel

[LouNY]

I have to wonder how long the starter will last.

No idea, I did put the MoPar 100,000 5year extended warranty on it.
With the fancy radio, heated seats and wheel, auto start to many ways for it to nickle and dime a person.
Also got the maintenance contract on life time oil changes.
I've gotten to the point were all I do on it are the winter /summer tire swaps, about the same on my RAM.

 

[K5lwq]

The Starter on my 2022 F150 has already went out. I disable the auto stop/start feature every time I start the truck.

It put me down at one of my accounts about 50 miles outside of San Antonio. The real kicker is with it running you can not put in neutral to push it back. Found out if you remove the kick panel under the dash there is a strap you can pull that will put in neutral. That was all fine and good except as soon as you get it in neutral the electric emergency brake will kick in. When you turn the brake off the thing jumps back into park.

So now the only thing I can do is pull the strap with one hand and hold the brake release with the other. This leaves no hands to steer the truck. So I had to turn the wheel first then put in neutral and hold the brake release and stop every time I needed to steer.

Then I had to ride the thing up on the tow truck so I could keep it in neutral and brake off. I just kept thinking what if this had happened in San Antonio stop and go traffic. I would have been screwed.

If I ever meet someone that says they are a engineer for one of the big 3 I will probably just knock him smooth out. Crazy what they come up with that they call safety that creates a much more dangerous situation.

 

[Raul-02]

Well, Kioti Agrees with the wisdom gathered here.
I sent 'em the same exact question and this is the response

"Thank you for contacting KIOTI. The suggestion from product support is that is it more favorable to idle the tractor, as long as safety measures are set in place, instead of shutting down the unit and restarting. Let me know if you have any additional questions"

 

[LouNY]

The Starter on my 2022 F150 has already went out. I disable the auto stop/start feature every time I start the truck.

It put me down at one of my accounts about 50 miles outside of San Antonio. The real kicker is with it running you can not put in neutral to push it back. Found out if you remove the kick panel under the dash there is a strap you can pull that will put in neutral. That was all fine and good except as soon as you get it in neutral the electric emergency brake will kick in. When you turn the brake off the thing jumps back into park.

So now the only thing I can do is pull the strap with one hand and hold the brake release with the other. This leaves no hands to steer the truck. So I had to turn the wheel first then put in neutral and hold the brake release and stop every time I needed to steer.

Then I had to ride the thing up on the tow truck so I could keep it in neutral and brake off. I just kept thinking what if this had happened in San Antonio stop and go traffic. I would have been screwed.

If I ever meet someone that says they are a engineer for one of the big 3 I will probably just knock him smooth out. Crazy what they come up with that they call safety that creates a much more dangerous situation.

At least on my RAM 1500 it doesn't have the auto stop/start. It does have the auto park, which will put it in park when ever the door is opened while moving. The RAM 1500's have a cover that removes from the dash and a pull rope to put the transmission in neutral. The auto parking brake is a feature that can be selected or deselected on the menu's.
On a 4wd I'd just put the transfer case into neutral, some require a paper clip or other pointed object to do so.
Also on the RAM having the seat belt buckled or an extender in will eliminate many of the nanny truck features. I have a short belt extender that stays clipped in mine always, it eliminates the auto park as well as the danged door chimes. I can drive mine with the door open and no belt latched if desired because of the extender.

 

[5030]

My wife's Kubota GS850 side by side has the idiot seat belt fastened deal on it. It won't move unless the seat belts are fastened and beeps at you. I fastened the seat belts behind the seat. All about saving yourself from yourself I guess.

 

[big bubba]

personally fretting about being hard on the starter is overthinking. back in the day with my TO35, yes, repeated use of the hard starting engine was hard on the starter (had it rewound a few times back when that was possible).
my M tractor starts in less that 1/2 sec warm or cold. really don't see how that's hard on the starter

to me repeated cold starts & short runs are much harder than starting a warm engine every 15 min. just run it hard after those idling sessions to address wet stacking if you let it idle. regards

 

[5030]

Non DEF and DPF idle away, give her a good goose once in a while.
And a nice moderate throttle run to go and park her for the night.

I find the emissions units and the no idle to be kind of counter productive. You really should idle a turbocharged diesel for a time to let the turbo cool down, but then idling screws up the hardware, mainly the DPF.

On big trucks today, the ECM will idle the engine for about 5 minutes after using it under load, but then big trucks are always SCR via DPF and urea injection.

 

[Raul-02]

UPDATE FROM KIOTI

They recalled their first response. I am guessing some greeniack lunatic earther tree-hugging idiot in management decided to stomp on the engineers.

So the NEW REVISED ANSWER IS:
"As I mentioned, the DPF system does not like to be idled for extended periods of time. Idling for extended periods of time can cause the DPF to need to be regenerated more often and cause unneeded wear on the system."

And it was signed with a man's name.
So, they don't want us to run their tractors at idle because it'll trigger the pollution controls to engage.
The unneeded wear on the system is more of an issue than unneeded wear on the starter and flywheel?
I decided not to question him on this. He's taking heat from management.
Engineers used to be captains of industry.
But Marketing has stolen their crown and now marketing claims that they are the reason a company can make money so therefore they should be in charge.
But it is worse.
Back in the late '80s and '90s when I was hiring and training young engineers they all told me that their professors taught that the engineer was subordinate to marketing. Oy Vey

 

[big bubba]

sounds very frustrating to deal with the new DPF issues & limitations. wise of you to post here of the problem. hope you can adjust to the limitations, etc. given you really don't have a choice on longer idling times
in terms of those Tier IV environmental engine constraints, unfortunately the pessimist in me feels that we are already over the climate tipping point & not sure how much the DPF will make a difference. but a subject for another discussion. best regards

 

[dodge man]

I think the question is how long should any machine idle if not being used? I think we can all agree 2 hours is to long, but restarting a tractor every minute is to short. I think with modern DPF systems the amount of idle time should be shorter.