Steering wheel acting funny

[coupman35]

Ok let see if i can explain this .Today i went to my friend to do some work on my way there i nothis that my steering wheel acting funny when i was driving my horn button was changing place it stated in the low place then it was going up in circle and if i turn the steering all the way to the right or leaf it keep on turning it looks like in never stops tuning . I check if i had a loss joint in my steering line and did not see any thing .Now am wondering if it in the steering box . Can any one help me out whit this .

 

[sea2summit]

Does the 26 have a horn? If not that’s just a cover for the nut on the column. If it bothers you, you could pull it off and add a dab of silicone calk or similar in there to tighten it up.

 

[coupman35]

It on my l4060 it not only the horn button i also have a steering wheel spinner knob and it on good and but the time i got to my friend place it had when around 2 times . That a other thing that made me thing there is something not right about this .

 

[coupman35]

Also when the tractor shot off i cane turn the wheel round and round and the tire dont move .

 

[k0ua]

This is all normal operation. Every bit of it. There is no Steering box. There is No mechanical connection of any shape or form between the steering wheel and front wheels NONE. There is a hydraulic device called a geroter* that you steering wheel shaft is connected and it sends hydarulic fluid to either a double acting cylinder up front or two single acting cylinders.

*A gerotor is a positive displacement pump. The name gerotor is derived from "generated rotor". A gerotor unit consists of an inner and outer rotor. ... During this compression period, fluids can be pumped,

 

[k0ua]

Also when the tractor shot off i cane turn the wheel round and round and the tire dont move .

And why should it? There is no pressure to the geroter and therefore no fluid going to the front cylinders that move the wheel hub. So yes the wheel will go round and round and round.

 

[k0ua]

Oh, and one other thing, you will have ZERO steering action with the steering wheel if the engine dies. Keep that in mind if that ever happens. The only steering you could possibly have if the engine is off is by your split brakes if the tractor is so equipped. Make sure the pedals are "unlocked" so that you have two brake pedals not just one. Then you can steer with the rear wheels after a fashion.

But Orbitrol hydraulic steering relies on hydraulic fluid flow. No flow, no steering.

 

[MHarryE]

Steering wheel rotating slightly when driving straight is normal. Free wheeling when engine is off is not. When hydrostatic power steering was developed, a requirement was having steering to control direction if the engine died. So the HMU (hand metering unit) is also a pump. When stopped, it should be very difficult to turn, and while stopped, it’s likely you will be unable to turn the whees. I watched a video in which the operator tore the steering column completely off trying to turn guiding his tractor as they pushed it onto a truck to haul to the dealer. Amount your steering wheel will turn per mile driven is variable due to manufacturing variations. My L6060 needs to be turned left continually while going straight. My M7 needs very little correction.

 

[k0ua]

Free wheeling when engine is off is not.

ALL Orbitrol steering systems will free wheel when the engine is off ALL. You will have a little bit of residual pressure but if you keep turning the steering wheel left and right, it will bleed off and will go round and round and round as many times as you want to turn it. This is perfectly normal.

 

[ptsg]

Maybe Kubota does it different, but on my Branson and on other tractors too, once you get to full lock, the steering wheel stops turning. If the tractor is not running, the steering wheel will still have resistance and will turn the wheels, although it does take some serious force, which is normal. It also won't change position when driving on straight line.

So no, not all Orbitrol steering systems will free wheel and honestly, I don't really consider it normal to freewheel. But I'll dig into some Kubota service manuals to see what they do differently.

 

[coupman35]

Maybe Kubota does it different, but on my Branson and on other tractors too, once you get to full lock, the steering wheel stops turning. If the tractor is not running, the steering wheel will still have resistance and will turn the wheels, although it does take some serious force, which is normal. It also won't change position when driving on straight line.

So no, not all Orbitrol steering systems will free wheel and honestly, I don't really consider it normal to freewheel. But I'll dig into some Kubota service manuals to see what they do differently.

I thing this make more sens to me i will need to look in to this .ot saying you guy are not right but give me good info thanks

 

[k0ua]

Of course the steering wheel will stop turning when you get to full lock either left or right with the engine running.

To the original poster, You don't have a problem with your tractor. You just don't. Just because the steering wheel spinner is in a different position each time you grab for it is not a problem. Your the one that put the steering wheel spinner on in the first place. And you don't need it. Or maybe a better way of saying it is "what do you need it for?" Steering wheel spinners went out of fashion a long time ago. They were needed to gain leverage so you could move the steering wheel of hard to steer tractors of yesteryear with one hand that had steering boxes and linkage. But you can move the steering wheel of your modern Kubota with one finger or the palm of your hand. There is just no need for the spinner.

Experiment for everyone to try. Shut off the engine. move your steering wheel left then right, repeat a few times as the Original Poster has done. Soon you will be able to move the wheel easily round and round as many times as you feel like doing it just as the Original Poster has done. So what? Why is this a problem? Start engine, your steering will work just fine. Now as for your emblem in the middle of the steering wheel , it will never be in the same place twice over the course of a days usage. So what? Why is this a problem? Bottom line: The original poster does not have an issue with his tractor, It is NOT broken, It does not need to be returned for repair now does it?

 

[ptsg]

Experiment for everyone to try. Shut off the engine. move your steering wheel left then right, repeat a few times as the Original Poster has done. Soon you will be able to move the wheel easily round and round as many times as you feel like doing it just as the Original Poster has done. So what? Why is this a problem? Start engine, your steering will work just fine. Now as for your emblem in the middle of the steering wheel , it will never be in the same place twice over the course of a days usage. So what? Why is this a problem? Bottom line: The original poster does not have an issue with his tractor, It is NOT broken, It does not need to be returned for repair now does it?

Do you care to point out in which is the OP's posts he mentioned this? Because I sure didn't found that, nor I read anything even close to that.

You also claimed ZERO steering action with the engine off, now you claim that it will just free spin after you tried to turn the steering wheel to full lock a couple times. Totally different things...
Having the steering wheel free spin with the engine off can be problem. Having the steering wheel free spinning with the engine off AFTER trying to steer to full lock a couple times is not a problem, obviously. The oil went to the tank and the pump is not running to refill the system so there is air in the system.

 

[k0ua]

Do you care to point out in which is the OP's posts he mentioned this? Because I sure didn't found that, nor I read anything even close to that.

You also claimed ZERO steering action with the engine off, now you claim that it will just free spin after you tried to turn the steering wheel to full lock a couple times. Totally different things...
Having the steering wheel free spin with the engine off can be problem. Having the steering wheel free spinning with the engine off AFTER trying to steer to full lock a couple times is not a problem, obviously. The oil went to the tank and the pump is not running to refill the system so there is air in the system.

and if i turn the steering all the way to the right or leaf it keep on turning it looks like in never stops tuning

And if he turns his steering wheel all the way to the right or the leaf it keeps on tuning. Of course he is doing this with the engine shut off. Why else would it keep on tuning?


Look if you and the original poster want to think his tractor is broken it is fine with me. Heck take it to the dealer an have him tell you it is not broken. I don't give a ****. But I was trying to save him time and money by telling him his tractor is not broken. If you all think I am full of **** that is fine too, BUT his tractor works exactly like mine.

 

[k0ua]

Tell you what, do this experiment, turn off your engine and start down a long hill, free wheeling and rolling, and turn your steering wheel a couple of times left and right, left and right and see if you have any steering by the time you get to the bottom of the hill. Do that little experiment and tell me how it went. If you are able.

 

[ptsg]

And if he turns his steering wheel all the way to the right or the leaf it keeps on tuning. Of course he is doing this with the engine shut off. Why else would it keep on tuning?


Look if you and the original poster want to think his tractor is broken it is fine with me. Heck take it to the dealer an have him tell you it is not broken. I don't give a ****. But I was trying to save him time and money by telling him his tractor is not broken. If you all think I am full of **** that is fine too, BUT his tractor works exactly like mine.

Ok, I'll quote the entire phrase for you since you decided to cut the important part off... By the way, why would he turn the steering wheel with the engine off?

"Today i went to my friend to do some work on my way there i nothis that my steering wheel acting funny when i was driving my horn button was changing place it stated in the low place then it was going up in circle and if i turn the steering all the way to the right or leaf it keep on turning it looks like in never stops tuning"

Try read post #13 again, but try read carefully and paying attention that this time. You sure missed a lot of stuff there.

 

[sea2summit]

Tell you what, do this experiment, turn off your engine and start down a long hill, free wheeling and rolling, and turn your steering wheel a couple of times left and right, left and right and see if you have any steering by the time you get to the bottom of the hill. Do that little experiment and tell me how it went. If you are able.

So I had a complete engine failure on my MX a while back and had to tow it to the trailer then load it, the steering wheel worked. Just went out in the driveway because that's where it parked last night and grabbed hold, sure didn't free spin and the wheels sure seemed like they'd turn if I cranked on it hard enough. M4 also got a bath last night, I didn't get up in the cab but opened the door and tried to give it a turn, same results.

 

[k0ua]

So I had a complete engine failure on my MX a while back and had to tow it to the trailer then load it, the steering wheel worked. Just went out in the driveway because that's where it parked last night and grabbed hold, sure didn't free spin and the wheels sure seemed like they'd turn if I cranked on it hard enough. M4 also got a bath last night, I didn't get up in the cab but opened the door and tried to give it a turn, same results.

Turn it back and forth several times and see if the wheel then will go round and round and round.

 

[k0ua]

Ok, I'll quote the entire phrase for you since you decided to cut the important part off... By the way, why would he turn the steering wheel with the engine off?

"Today i went to my friend to do some work on my way there i nothis that my steering wheel acting funny when i was driving my horn button was changing place it stated in the low place then it was going up in circle and if i turn the steering all the way to the right or leaf it keep on turning it looks like in never stops tuning"

Try read post #13 again, but try read carefully and paying attention that this time. You sure missed a lot of stuff there.

OK, we will let the OP tell us what he did again. You are assuming that the steering wheel does not stop at full lock left or right, I assume it does stop. I also assumed he turned the wheel with the engine off when he was out looking for that steering box he doesn't have or that steering shaft linkage and u joints that he also doesn't have.

 

[ptsg]

OK, we will let the OP tell us what he did again. You are assuming that the steering wheel does not stop at full lock left or right, I assume it does stop. I also assumed he turned the wheel with the engine off when he was out looking for that steering box he doesn't have or that steering shaft linkage and u joints that he also doesn't have.

Actually, it does have steering shaft linkage and U joints.