Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[MossRoad]

Does not turn out that way -- as far as the Nukes. Only thing 250-300 nukes would get US is Broke.

At this point we have under 100 US reactors and dropping, and many of those are not profitable. We will probably be down to about 50 or maybe less of the existing by 2050, with few-to-none built in the meantime.

There are currently 55 nuclear power plants operating in the US and they supply 20% of all the electricity.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Modern thorium cycle nuclear plants promise to be smaller and more widely distributed than the old water cooled behemoths. They are also meltdown proof and create much less radioactive waste.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

But let’s not ignore the great unwashed there, either. And there’s like a billion of them…

One of these decades they all will have running water.

 

[goeduck]

Consider India -- they consider themselves imposed upon because they are being "forced" to move on from a culture of Open Defecation.

Downtown Seattle has open defecation, why shouldn't India?

 

[Hay Dude]

You should have seen the 70s.

Seen em? I lived through them.…several cops shot not far from me.
It’s worse now. The Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle riots of 2020 are worse.

 

[goeduck]

Fair enough; but to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson, we should not bind future generations to the here and now...

Thomas Jefferson certainly was not around for the modern day EV And he obviously was not referring to them in the referenced quote. Maybe you can stay on topic?

It's a good thread, try not to run it into the ground, please.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Wow. So tire preservative additive is the culprit. Seems like it might be easier to mandate different rubber formulation, compared to capturing runoff everywhere.

Even before this discovery, they knew how toxic street and highway runoff is. Have you seen the engine drippings dissolve the asphalt in parking places? That's just residual drip from stopped engines. The real leaks happen when the engine is running and the oil is hot and under pressure. Then there is the plastic and other trash that the litterbugs throw on the streets and roads. Phasing out plastic film bags and soft drink straws didn't do much to solve that problem.

At least EVs don't use engine oil. Maybe that and reformulating tire chemistry will help.

 

[goeduck]

The front 3 or so parking stalls at almost any auto parts store is a good example of what oil does to asphalt.

 

[Phil Timmons]

There are currently 55 nuclear power plants operating in the US and they supply 20% of all the electricity.

Yeah, so you follow that the measuring of unit of "plants" has no real meaning? Some sites or plants have only 1 reactor, some as many as 6 or even one has 8, irrc.

So we take the number of reactors x the typical reactor size of around 1E9 (some are a little bigger), and we can get the scope of the overall capacity.

I think the top number for the US was something like 104 reactors, and now down to 94 and most consider "Peak Nukes" for US was about 2012, and things have been winding downward, since.

EIA has some decent coverage >>> U.S. nuclear industry - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Most projections have US down to around 50 by 2050.

 

[Phil Timmons]

And I still live in a mixed Amish Mennonite community, for 50+ years. I DIDNT say anyone was calling ME a racist. So don’t put your words in my mouth. I said that these environmental wackos won’t listen to anyone elses point of view and if anyone DOES give a dissenting point of view, many times they are called racist, silenced, demonetized,

”we are all in this together”? Ummm, no. I’m NOT in ANY movement towards socialism, and silencing, destroying or yes even imprisoning rivals to the group-think points on wacko environmentalism. Heck with that. I’m not “together” with being forced into that bs.

”you and some others staying on diesel?
You mean like everything shipped you need by truck, rail or ship? You serious? ”some”? Have you seen anything much larger than a 1/2 ton pickup in EV yet? I haven’t. This country runs on fuel. The future might be electric and I actually want an electric truck, IF it’s done correctly.
How does dumping old un-recyclable battery parts from your electric cars factor into your “dumped into the commons” equation?

Dunno, overall a little drama goofy for me. But to each their own.

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But the all-in-this-together part . . . yeah when it comes to the Commons -- that is definitely the case.

The "Common" Water, Air, Land -- all pretty much eternal from a human perspective. And all there is all we ALL have.

Some folks consider this a bit amusing . . . . did you know we all drink ******'s and Caesar's pee, and breathe air that passed through their lungs?

So for a bit of decent behavior to future folks -- we should be good to the Commons.

The Last Word

Deep breath Q: Is it true that every time we take a breath of air or swallow a mouthful of water, we consume some of the atoms breathed or swallowed by Leonardo da Vinci (as I read in a children's science book in 1960)? A: We do indeed breathe in a considerable number of molecules …

www.newscientist.com

 

[MikePA]

I am always amazed, but not surprised, at the minority of people who seem to enjoy being irritated.

If you want to break the cycle, which will eventually get you banned from TBN, simply put that irritating person on your ignore list.

You will be surprised at how much better you life will be.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The Death Of Car Ownership: This $30 Trillion Trend Could Kill The Auto Industry

The 25-45 age group might drive this concept.

 

[txdon]

The Death Of Car Ownership: This $30 Trillion Trend Could Kill The Auto Industry

The 25-45 age group might drive this concept.

Is this just like Uber but with electric or hybrid cars?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Shale oil and gas fraud: A sign of a peak in oil supplies? - Resilience

IF a true peak in crude oil reserves ever occurs that may usher in real interest in renewable forms of energy.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Government Study Says Electric Cars Are Much Cheaper To Live With

I guess this was common knowledge only among EV owners.

 

[lman]

Government Study Says Electric Cars Are Much Cheaper To Live With

I guess this was common knowledge only among EV owners.

I read that article that describes how this study contradicts another study with an opposite result. It also didn't take into consideration a higher demand of electricity would ordinarily drive the cost of electricity up.
Sounds more like bias reporting from the government.

 

[Egon]

Smaller newly designed nuclear Generator facilities are a very good possibility for the future. ( almost like packaged units ) Makes for better distribution grids with less power loss and would provide much more flexibility for demand. Use heat sinks and hydrogen production facilities for off peak storage to help even the loads. Add in electrified roads for electric vehicles with alternative power for off the grid use would really change the transportation system.

I do not have the technical knowledge for details but do know there are many electric trains and there used to be a lot of electric trolleys. There are heat sinks being used for residential heat. These same sinks could also provide refrigeration energy.

Storage of residual waste material should be possible if politicians are kept out of the design loop.

 

[lman]

Smaller newly designed nuclear Generator facilities are a very good possibility for the future. ( almost like packaged units ) Makes for better distribution grids with less power loss and would provide much more flexibility for demand. Use heat sinks and hydrogen production facilities for off peak storage to help even the loads. Add in electrified roads for electric vehicles with alternative power for off the grid use would really change the transportation system.

I do not have the technical knowledge for details but do know there are many electric trains and there used to be a lot of electric trolleys. There are heat sinks being used for residential heat. These same sinks could also provide refrigeration energy.

Storage of residual waste material should be possible if politicians are kept out of the design loop.

Wow somebody is dreaming big. I can't even get the ever increasing amount of chuckholes repaired in my road.

 

[txdon]

Government Study Says Electric Cars Are Much Cheaper To Live With

I guess this was common knowledge only among EV owners.

If you keep the car through a battery change-out how would it change the chart?